I'm SOOOOO sick of having to play stealth on my nightblade to be effective, can we please change it?

Nyladreas

Pretty much title, I'm so burnt out, so sick of, so tired from playing a stealthy character that has no other choice in the game, cause we have to build so much for upfront damage that we end up being incredibly squishy. Can we please get access to some burst heals and more logical mitigation, and actual pre-meditated burst so that we can actually skip having to play cloak like idiots all the time? it's frustrating, its boring, its ineffective in groups, it's honestly sad too.

And yes, i know I can already go a bit more tanky but there's no sense to it cause the damage get so terrible it's actually more distasteful than cloaking. Ugh.

Casterial

I know SEVERAL Nbs for pvp who dont really use stealth at all.


Rapid Regen / Vigor all you need.

Nyladreas

Casterial wrote: »

I know SEVERAL Nbs for pvp who dont really use stealth at all.


Rapid Regen / Vigor all you need.

HOW LOL... Are you trolling? Cause i'm sure that those 1k ticks of vigor in real combat are real helpful when fighting outnumbered

Firebrand10

If you're only getting 1k ticks off of Vigor, you're built horribly wrong. I agree that changes to NB need to happen. We've been nerfed far to much and now that most of our damage is extremely telegraphed all actual good players can easily block or roll dodge all of our burst.

Nerouyn

It would be nice if other classes had a stealth available to them so they could play theft / murder on the same level as nightblades.

merevie

Stamblade is def bottom class atm. Having said that you do not need burst to kill -you need a defile set. Then you can happily tank up, wander into a crowd and take people apart. (Fear, roll dodge, los). And people tend to back off when a few bodies fall. Trying to gank anyone decent is just going to result in everyone being embarrassed.

Nyladreas

Firebrand10 wrote: »

If you're only getting 1k ticks off of Vigor, you're built horribly wrong. I agree that changes to NB need to happen. We've been nerfed far to much and now that most of our damage is extremely telegraphed all actual good players can easily block or roll dodge all of our burst.

How do you build properly then?

I have a typical Bloodspawn/NMA/Spriggan Setup, 3x Damage on Rings.

Drdeath20

Cloak needs to get replaced with a real defensive mechanic before any real change can happen.

Araxleon

Casterial wrote: »

I know SEVERAL Nbs for pvp who dont really use stealth at all.


Rapid Regen / Vigor all you need.

Honestly, I would like to meet these players I find the mere concept of not slotting cloak on a nightblade, insane

kaithuzar

You people must’ve joined the game yesterday, please don’t make outlandish statements for how something should or should not be until you’ve got a few years under your belt.

First & foremost, there are “sections” to this forum for discussion around particular playstyle areas; ie... a PvP section, a battleground section, & an alliance war section. Both pve & pvp can be also covered in the “combat mechanics” section, if you would like to discuss, guess what,...combat mechanics.

Regarding nightblade questions, there’s a 43 page forum thread in the PvP section talking about builds; feel free to LEARN there.

Glhf

idk

Casterial wrote: »

I know SEVERAL Nbs for pvp who dont really use stealth at all.


Rapid Regen / Vigor all you need.

Pretty much this.

Thokri

I often forget stealth even exists, yet I don't die every second.

Vevvev

Nyladreas wrote: »

How do you build properly then?

I have a typical Bloodspawn/NMA/Spriggan Setup, 3x Damage on Rings.

Typically the effectiveness of an ability is calculated off the max resource you're using to cast it and weapon/spell damage. For instance Vigor gets more powerful the more weapon damage and max stamina you have.

I know my Rapid Regeneration on my magicka DK hits upwards of 21k healing over 5 seconds. If I give myself major mending it can hit upwards of 26k health over 5 seconds.

The sets your using are actually really nice but what are your attributes like? You shouldn't have such a low number on your vigor's heal.

dsalter

i complained about this years ago, gankblades annoying as they are in PvP are useless outside of their main gank role due to the lack of true sustained damage.

i'd honestly happly trade some burst damage from stealth for a permanent non stealth damage just so when i log into my stamblade or magblade alt vet dungeons care a flip of a coin if im kicked or kept for being underpar compaired to most other setups.

Bucky_13

Vevvev wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

How do you build properly then?

I have a typical Bloodspawn/NMA/Spriggan Setup, 3x Damage on Rings.

Typically the effectiveness of an ability is calculated off the max resource you're using to cast it and weapon/spell damage. For instance Vigor gets more powerful the more weapon damage and max stamina you have.

I know my Rapid Regeneration on my magicka DK hits upwards of 21k healing over 5 seconds. If I give myself major mending it can hit upwards of 26k health over 5 seconds.

The sets your using are actually really nice but what are your attributes like? You shouldn't have such a low number on your vigor's heal.

Skill placement matters as well for a NB, I use 2 siphoning skills on my Rally/Vigor bar, which gives another 6% bonus healing, then I made my 2h powered since I'm a sniper and besides Soul Tether for stuns I got only buffs, heals and cloak on that bar. My Vigor usually gets up to 25k heal, then I got the heal from rally on top of that. I can heal for almost twice my health in 5 seconds with a potion on top of everything. 19k health so that's not saying that much, but still.

Vevvev

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Skill placement matters as well for a NB, I use 2 siphoning skills on my Rally/Vigor bar, which gives another 6% bonus healing, then I made my 2h powered since I'm a sniper and besides Soul Tether for stuns I got only buffs, heals and cloak on that bar. My Vigor usually gets up to 25k heal, then I got the heal from rally on top of that. I can heal for almost twice my health in 5 seconds with a potion on top of everything. 19k health so that's not saying that much, but still.

Makes sense. I should have gone into more detail how I also had a healing staff with the powered trait, and for dealing more damage on my front bar I have 3 mage's guild abilities. (6% more magicka with an extra 5% thanks to inner light. 11% total)

ku5h

You can change it by yourself.
Play a different class. Bum. Done.

TheFM

merevie wrote: »

Stamblade is def bottom class atm. Having said that you do not need burst to kill -you need a defile set. Then you can happily tank up, wander into a crowd and take people apart. (Fear, roll dodge, los). And people tend to back off when a few bodies fall. Trying to gank anyone decent is just going to result in everyone being embarrassed.

Magblade would like a word with you.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

i have a mag nb for pvp, and i dont use cloak or sneak, there is ways to play nb's without cloaking, biggest thing is not to fear ur going to die and don't go with so called meta

AMeanOne

If you're sick of playing the stealthy class play a different class? Like others have said there are stamblades out there who don't use cloak. Shade, rally, and vigor are all they need. I never see magblades use cloak except bombers and gankers.

hakan

hmm an assassin class prioritizes stealthy style.. yeah definitely games fault.

You can blade cloak with spectral cloak plus dark cloak (which you need to completely drop invisibility )heal+ vigor+ rally (burst heal ) and be brawlerblade. considering this many templar around, cloak is hard to play with anyway.

Bucky_13

Vevvev wrote: »

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Skill placement matters as well for a NB, I use 2 siphoning skills on my Rally/Vigor bar, which gives another 6% bonus healing, then I made my 2h powered since I'm a sniper and besides Soul Tether for stuns I got only buffs, heals and cloak on that bar. My Vigor usually gets up to 25k heal, then I got the heal from rally on top of that. I can heal for almost twice my health in 5 seconds with a potion on top of everything. 19k health so that's not saying that much, but still.

Makes sense. I should have gone into more detail how I also had a healing staff with the powered trait, and for dealing more damage on my front bar I have 3 mage's guild abilities. (6% more magicka with an extra 5% thanks to inner light. 11% total)

Fairly similar to my approach, usually have 2 Fighter's Guild skills on damage bar, including Camouflaged Hunter for the passives. Powered can be really nice for a lot of PvP builds when you have the setup for it, even some stam specs.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

To completely get away from that style i have a tankier build where i throw on ravager and heavy new moon and thurvokun, so im 5 heavy 2 medium. 2H front bar sword and board potentates back bar. Slot leeching strikes and soul tether for some more heals and use pierce armor for minor protection while debuffing the enemy. You wont be as tanky as a templar,DK, or necro but it is what it is. It’s still fairly fun. Throw on brawler and you have a decent brawler build and stacking ravager is super easy. you could also sub out new moon for cyrodiils ward.

I also use blood spawn/new moon/spriggans/ masters bow. The damage is great as im sure you know. Also, sometimes ill throw on potentates powered bow instead of masters and slot temporal guard. Good heals and some more protection , stacked with relentless focus mitigation you can take a good bit of damage, vigor, roll dodge and not have to cloak as you’ll be all healed up. Shadow image in open world is boss as well if you want to completely get away from cloak. Personally i like this play style because i feel faster, the other build is slow unless you make one or two pieces of jewelry swift.

tsaescishoeshiner

I swapped out Cloak for Flame Clench on my magblade and do just as well in battlegrounds, so Cloak is definitely not necessary.

Met a magblade in IC a few weeks ago who wad using Dark Cloak (which doesn't make you Invis) to 1v3 us. They did really well.

It's just hard to turn down an invisibility skill, but if you take it off for a stun or vigor or a damage shield, you might get the hang of not using it. I think better, duelier builds actually DON'T use it, because if you need to go invis to survive, you probably can't 1v1 for a long time

Gilvoth

Horrible Thread!
Dont Destroy it for the rest of us that love nightblade.
i love stealth, invisibility cloak, stealth gameplay in all the elder scrolls titles and nightblade is the only class in eso that has stealth and invisibility.
if you do not like stealth and cloak then make another class, but let us nightblades have our stealth, and invisibility

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Nightblade is the stealth class.

albertberku

You can go with rally, vigor, leeching strikes and relentless focus for healing; surprise attack for resistances; shadow image for escape; turn evil for stun and camouflaged hunter for minor berserk and crit healing. Use temporal guard on the backbar for minor protection and incapacitating strike frontbar. Backbar masters bow, use poison injection. Front bar new moon, body all medium titanborn, monster go with bloodspawn, head heavy, shoulder medium. Put turn evil and camouflaged hunter frontbar for extra weapon damage. Relentless focus, surprise attack and rally also front bar. Backbar vigor, leeching strikes, shadow image, poison injection and reapers mark. Be an orc, get warrior mundus. Use lava foot and saltrice as food. Use 3 weapon damage glyphs and infused jewelry, all tristat and impen on armor. Nirnhorned two handed maul frontbar with minor brutality + minor fracture poison. Infused bow backbar with berserker glyph. Put around 8% both healing made and healing received on cp, 16% crit healing and damage, around 3,5k penetration, 20% damage over time mitigation, 1k crit resistances. Damage, penetration and healing are pretty good with fine recovery, not bad max health, decent damage mitigation and high mobility.

What you do is, you have your shadow image up all the time and stay in 28 meters range, know where it is, put it in a safe place. If you teleport to it, cast it again and get away from your shadow image immediately but always stay within range. Know when its 20 seconds duration will end and know when you have to cast it again. Always have your relentless focus ready when going for a combo and the combo is incapacitating strike + turn evil + relentless focus. Sometimes they will dodge relentless focus, maybe wait for the dodge and then use it. Spam surprise attack with light attacks inbetween. Anything other than magsorc wont be able to touch you if you even just run around and spam shadow image because of how good it is. And if you see a magsorc you have to kill it before it kills you.

For extra lols: If you ever manage to put reapers mark on a sorc pet or necromancer blastbones and then kill it, things going to get nasty. Especially this patch, where everyone and their mother are stamina necromancer. After having your relentless focus ready, stun blastbones at the cast, put reapers mark, kill it. Then incapacitating strike a player, gg.

Iskiab

Casterial wrote: »

I know SEVERAL Nbs for pvp who dont really use stealth at all.


Rapid Regen / Vigor all you need.

Rapid regen isn’t a self heal.

Sanctum74

Gilvoth wrote: »

Horrible Thread!
Dont Destroy it for the rest of us that love nightblade.
i love stealth, invisibility cloak, stealth gameplay in all the elder scrolls titles and nightblade is the only class in eso that has stealth and invisibility.
if you do not like stealth and cloak then make another class, but let us nightblades have our stealth, and invisibility

I could say the same about animation canceling, but yet you wanna take it away from other people even though you don’t have to use it. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

LadyDestiny

ku5h wrote: »

You can change it by yourself.
Play a different class. Bum. Done.

This^^^

Nyladreas

Vevvev wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

How do you build properly then?

I have a typical Bloodspawn/NMA/Spriggan Setup, 3x Damage on Rings.

Typically the effectiveness of an ability is calculated off the max resource you're using to cast it and weapon/spell damage. For instance Vigor gets more powerful the more weapon damage and max stamina you have.

I know my Rapid Regeneration on my magicka DK hits upwards of 21k healing over 5 seconds. If I give myself major mending it can hit upwards of 26k health over 5 seconds.

The sets your using are actually really nice but what are your attributes like? You shouldn't have such a low number on your vigor's heal.

I'm at 25-27k stamina, I've been playing around with it a bit. I had a build that was great, still is, but it's only good for noCP IC ganking. Useless in any group. So I went the typical 2h route with penetration