Move along nothing to see here =P.

TheFM

Just wanted to report that blastbones is now hitting people in stealth or invis regardless of when it was casted. I dunno if this is intended, but it is rather ridiculous that when i stealth and its still 20 meters away that it still hones in on me.

Lybal

It always did that as much as I know, except it wasn't as reliable before.

TheFM

Lybal wrote: »

It always did that as much as I know, except it wasn't as reliable before.

Thats a bit silly. Imagine the out cry if every other projectile did that. Its one thing if it leaps next to you, its another when its 20 + meters away.

brandonv516

My guess is that Blastbones is exploding where you were last stealthed and the AoE damage is hitting you.

It needs a target so it can't be while you are cloaked (unless the caster is using a detection potion or skill).

As far as other spammables, Force Pulse's cleave damage will pull you out of stealth if you are affected by a status effect and are near a teammate getting attacked by it.

zaria

TheFM wrote: »

Lybal wrote: »

It always did that as much as I know, except it wasn't as reliable before.

Thats a bit silly. Imagine the out cry if every other projectile did that. Its one thing if it leaps next to you, its another when its 20 + meters away.

Agree, now i could accept that something like an warden bear could spot stealthed players as bears can smell well and are pretty smart. But blastbone is just an throwaway animated skeleton.
AOE is also OK, seen people using walking barrages with caltrops and wall of elements trying to find hidden enemies as in this one.

Fur_like_snow

Blast bones explosion is AoE. The skill is much more reliable since they sped up the leap animation.

rotaugen454

Skeletons don’t have eyeballs, so they obviously use radar to target.

TheFM

zaria wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Lybal wrote: »

It always did that as much as I know, except it wasn't as reliable before.

Thats a bit silly. Imagine the out cry if every other projectile did that. Its one thing if it leaps next to you, its another when its 20 + meters away.

Agree, now i could accept that something like an warden bear could spot stealthed players as bears can smell well and are pretty smart. But blastbone is just an throwaway animated skeleton.
AOE is also OK, seen people using walking barrages with caltrops and wall of elements trying to find hidden enemies as in this one.

Yeah, if it were just the splash damage itd be one thing, but i was running with race against time in invis with the stealth speed buff from nightblade, and the thing actively tracked me.

SeaUnicorn

Laughs in necro

TheFM

SeaUnicorn wrote: »

Laughs in necro

Yeah, a hard hitting aoe spammable negating nightblades defense is so awesome.....

StormeReigns

TheFM wrote: »

SeaUnicorn wrote: »

Laughs in necro

Yeah, a hard hitting aoe spammable negating nightblades defense is so awesome.....

SeaUnicorn wrote: »

Laughs in necro even harder.

Jimmy_The_Fixer

This is great news.

Lybal

After some tests with a Stamcro and my Nb, it appears that I was wrong.

Blastbones can't aim at you if you're in stealth when they appear.

They only aim at your last position, and the AOE component of the skill hit you, so it only break stealth if you use Shadowy Disguise during the travel time of their leap, which is totally legit since they deal AOE damage.
Note that they're so fast now that a lot of times while testing that, they hit me before I could enter stealth (So I did enter stealth), and you can't really get away from the AOE even with good speed.

TheFM

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

This is great news.

heaven forbid you use one of the many counters to stealth.

This is why this game will never be balanced, people like this thinking a bug that negates someones entire defenses is a good thing. Absolutely no objectivity.

TheFM

Lybal wrote: »

After some tests with a Stamcro and my Nb, it appears that I was wrong.

Blastbones can't aim at you if you're in stealth when they appear.

They only aim at your last position, and the AOE component of the skill hit you, so it only break stealth if you use Shadowy Disguise during the travel time of their leap, which is totally legit since they deal AOE damage.
Note that they're so fast now that a lot of times while testing that, they hit me before I could enter stealth.

that doesnt explain why it actually changed course when i did myself. Have you tried with shadow image? Id be interested to see if it was just a one off or if it really will change course.

Lybal

TheFM wrote: »

Lybal wrote: »

After some tests with a Stamcro and my Nb, it appears that I was wrong.

Blastbones can't aim at you if you're in stealth when they appear.

They only aim at your last position, and the AOE component of the skill hit you, so it only break stealth if you use Shadowy Disguise during the travel time of their leap, which is totally legit since they deal AOE damage.
Note that they're so fast now that a lot of times while testing that, they hit me before I could enter stealth.

that doesnt explain why it actually changed course when i did myself. Have you tried with shadow image? Id be interested to see if it was just a one off or if it really will change course.

No, I didn't try to see how they behave if the Necro used a detect pot either, I didn't want to waste him too much time, but someone else could try other interactions more sophisticated for sure

Tommy_The_Gun

TheFM wrote: »

Just wanted to report that blastbones is now hitting people in stealth or invis regardless of when it was casted. I dunno if this is intended, but it is rather ridiculous that when i stealth and its still 20 meters away that it still hones in on me.

Wait a second. If you are stealthed / invisible some one can cast it on you ? How ? From your description it sounds like it does not need a target or changes the target to the nearest one.

Anyway, even if it is casted before you enter stealth / invisibility it sound kinda broken to me. Pets / NPCs in ESO don't work that way. If you are in combat with them, and you go invisible they stop dead in their tracks and wait till you appear again...

We already have a sit ton of counters to stealth in ESO. And now we have a ranged undodgeable AOE that can follow you even if you are invisible cloaked ? LOL... So um, the only counter to it is block ? can AOE be blocked ? I think it can't...

Remember undagable warden birds ? How every one was saying that it is broken and it has no counter ? Well, now we have ranged projectile that is also AOE and ignores stealth / invisibility... With warden birds you at least could block it... here ?
...Nothing ? ? ?

TheFM

Lybal wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Lybal wrote: »

After some tests with a Stamcro and my Nb, it appears that I was wrong.

Blastbones can't aim at you if you're in stealth when they appear.

They only aim at your last position, and the AOE component of the skill hit you, so it only break stealth if you use Shadowy Disguise during the travel time of their leap, which is totally legit since they deal AOE damage.
Note that they're so fast now that a lot of times while testing that, they hit me before I could enter stealth.

that doesnt explain why it actually changed course when i did myself. Have you tried with shadow image? Id be interested to see if it was just a one off or if it really will change course.

No, I didn't try to see how they behave if the Necro used a detect pot either, I didn't want to waste him too much time, but someone else could try other interactions more sophisticated for sure

If I can manage to be in the game more than 5 minutes ill ask someone to test with me in my guild. If it does change direction tho, something needs to be done. It cant be that both our defenses get negated by a single ability.

TheFM

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Just wanted to report that blastbones is now hitting people in stealth or invis regardless of when it was casted. I dunno if this is intended, but it is rather ridiculous that when i stealth and its still 20 meters away that it still hones in on me.

Wait a second. If you are stealthed / invisible some one can cast it on you ? How ? From your description it sounds like it does not need a target or changes the target to the nearest one.

Anyway, even if it is casted before you enter stealth / invisibility it sound kinda broken to me. Pets / NPCs in ESO don't work that way. If you are in combat with them, and you go invisible they stop dead in their tracks and wait till you appear again...

We already have a sit ton of counters to stealth in ESO. And now we have a ranged undodgeable AOE that can follow you even if you are invisible cloaked ? LOL... So um, the only counter to it is block ? can AOE be blocked ? I think it can't...

Remember undagable warden birds ? How every one was saying that it is broken and it has no counter ? Well, now we have ranged projectile that is also AOE and ignores stealth / invisibility... With warden birds you at least could block it... here ?
...Nothing ? ? ?

Yeah, this is my thoughts exactly. If it explodes NEXT to me its one thing, if it still tracks me when im in stealth and changes course, thats OPAF.

Jimmy_The_Fixer

TheFM wrote: »

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

This is great news.

heaven forbid you use one of the many counters to stealth.

This is why this game will never be balanced, people like this thinking a bug that negates someones entire defenses is a good thing. Absolutely no objectivity.

Maybe one button shouldn’t be your only defense.

TheFM

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Just wanted to report that blastbones is now hitting people in stealth or invis regardless of when it was casted. I dunno if this is intended, but it is rather ridiculous that when i stealth and its still 20 meters away that it still hones in on me.

Wait a second. If you are stealthed / invisible some one can cast it on you ? How ? From your description it sounds like it does not need a target or changes the target to the nearest one.

Anyway, even if it is casted before you enter stealth / invisibility it sound kinda broken to me. Pets / NPCs in ESO don't work that way. If you are in combat with them, and you go invisible they stop dead in their tracks and wait till you appear again...

We already have a sit ton of counters to stealth in ESO. And now we have a ranged undodgeable AOE that can follow you even if you are invisible cloaked ? LOL... So um, the only counter to it is block ? can AOE be blocked ? I think it can't...

Remember undagable warden birds ? How every one was saying that it is broken and it has no counter ? Well, now we have ranged projectile that is also AOE and ignores stealth / invisibility... With warden birds you at least could block it... here ?
...Nothing ? ? ?

Tested it in a controlled environment and it works as it should, if you invis before it leaps, all good. Mid leap is fair game tho.

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

This is great news.

heaven forbid you use one of the many counters to stealth.

This is why this game will never be balanced, people like this thinking a bug that negates someones entire defenses is a good thing. Absolutely no objectivity.

Maybe one button shouldn’t be your only defense.

Yeah, well tell that to every other class that uses one button for their main defense. A magblade that can be hit in stealth by aoe hard hitting spammables would be the nail in the coffin to a class that is already struggling.

ANYWAY, tested it and it works as it should, mustve been lag or desync. Or something.

Ankael07

TheFM wrote: »

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

This is great news.

heaven forbid you use one of the many counters to stealth.

This is why this game will never be balanced, people like this thinking a bug that negates someones entire defenses is a good thing. Absolutely no objectivity.

But Blastbones IS a counter to stealth

SORjosh

TheFM wrote: »

Just wanted to report that blastbones is now hitting people in stealth or invis regardless of when it was casted. I dunno if this is intended, but it is rather ridiculous that when i stealth and its still 20 meters away that it still hones in on me.

Could it be the player had detect pots or one of the other skills that pull you out of stealth? Do you have a clip of it happening?

Reyleigh

Lybal wrote: »

It always did that as much as I know, except it wasn't as reliable before.

"Reliable" lol
Skill is unavoidable now

Jaxaxo

It's jumping at the player, is aoe skill, for me seems like working as intended. Also it your problem u build your "entire defense" around just cloak.

TheFM

SORjosh wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Just wanted to report that blastbones is now hitting people in stealth or invis regardless of when it was casted. I dunno if this is intended, but it is rather ridiculous that when i stealth and its still 20 meters away that it still hones in on me.

Could it be the player had detect pots or one of the other skills that pull you out of stealth? Do you have a clip of it happening?

Seems it was lag or desync, tested in a controlled environment and it works fine.

TheFM

Jaxaxo wrote: »

It's jumping at the player, is aoe skill, for me seems like working as intended. Also it your problem u build your "entire defense" around just cloak.

Its not the entire defense it is the main defense, or should we start taking away other classes main defense because people dont like it?

Jaxaxo

I played nb and im aware what is cloak doing. U use wording "entire defense". Also from what i saw on Cyro cloak IS your enitre defense.

But back to topic, did fast testing and came with facts

1. Blastbones have 2 phases run and jump. If it's close enough to u when enemy use it it jumps instantly after spawning, if it's to far away it will start running
2. If u will cloak during spawning or during running it will not hit u BUT
3. It has 8 sec duration, it means u need to stay in cloak during those 8 sec or stun him, otherwise it will start running/jumping moment u leave cloak (even for a moment)
4. If it's in jump phase it will break cloak (since it's AOE) Also it kinda change to some weird type of projectile, so it's hard to stop it while it's flying (it's also pretty fast, i have no idea how animation of stopping it midair would look like)

Master_Kas

Alot of stuff started to break and hit you in cloak again. As far as I see on PTS patch notes they said single target charges, leap and teleports will hit through cloak if they use detectpot

NPC/guard singletarget skills act like heatseeking missiles and breaks cloak.
Player singletarget skills aswell.

And siege does damage to you through cloak (atleast cold fire ballistas). It doesn't break your cloak but you take damage 'under' it.

Not sure if bugs or ninjanerfs

Jaxaxo

Probably bugs

Mayrael

Master_Kas wrote: »

Alot of stuff started to break and hit you in cloak again. As far as I see on PTS patch notes they said single target charges, leap and teleports will hit through cloak if they use detectpot

NPC/guard singletarget skills act like heatseeking missiles and breaks cloak.
Player singletarget skills aswell.

And siege does damage to you through cloak (atleast cold fire ballistas). It doesn't break your cloak but you take damage 'under' it.

Not sure if bugs or ninjanerfs

Nothing new. Every patch they break cloak or/and shade.