Is it intended that Kjalnar is neither direct damage nor AoE?

Dracane

The Kjalnar's Nightmare monster set is not affected by the 8% direct damage passive from inferno staves and also not by the 8% AoE damage from lightning staves.
As far as I am aware, all offensive attacks and effects in ESO are, at their very core, either direct damage or aoe damage. Since Kjalnar appears to only hit 1 target, it might be considered direct damage.

Harrdarrzarr

with direct damage, you mean single target damage?

Dracane

Harrdarrzarr wrote: »

with direct damage, you mean single target damage?

Not I. The game handles it this way. It says direct damage to imply that it is no damage over time effect. Which is true for Kjalnar.

ankeor

Flame staves buff single target damage ,not direct damage. They are not same.
And there are aoe direct damage abilities.
Sap essense from nb, dragon leap from dk, impulse from destro for example.

Dracane

ankeor wrote: »

Flame staves buff single target damage ,not direct damage. They are not same.

Kjalnar is single target damage. So it changes nothing.

Olupajmibanan

Dracane wrote: »

Harrdarrzarr wrote: »

with direct damage, you mean single target damage?

Not I. The game handles it this way. It says direct damage when it means single target. (Usually)

Impulse, Fire Rune, Fiery Breath (initial hit), Deep Breath ... all of these are considered by the game as AoEs and direct damage at the same time, therefore these are increased by both, 8% lightning staff passive and Master at Arms CP.

But anyways, Kjalnar should be affected by the passive for having a fire staff equiped. I suspect that the hand is considered a pet, there was a bug two patches ago that pets weren't affected by weapon passives that required specific type of weapon equiped (Ancient Knowledge, Twin Blade and Blunt and Heavy Weapons). You should try if having two swords or a greatsword increase the damage of Kjalnar.

idk

Dracane wrote: »

Harrdarrzarr wrote: »

with direct damage, you mean single target damage?

Not I. The game handles it this way. It says direct damage when it means single target. (Usually)

I think that is not correct. Direct damage does not mean single target.

All damage fits into two different characterizations. The first is either direct or DoT and the second is single target vs AoE.

So something can be direct damage and AoE. That would be instant damage that is an AoE.

Dracane

idk wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Harrdarrzarr wrote: »

with direct damage, you mean single target damage?

Not I. The game handles it this way. It says direct damage when it means single target. (Usually)

I think that is not correct. Direct damage does not mean single target.

All damage fits into two different characterizations. The first is either direct or DoT and the second is single target vs AoE.

So something can be direct damage and AoE. That would be instant damage that is an AoE.

Sorry, I meant single target damage as in not being a damage over time effect.
It does not change the circumstance that Kjalnar is a direct damage, single target attack and should therefor be increased by flame staves.

idk

Dracane wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Harrdarrzarr wrote: »

with direct damage, you mean single target damage?

Not I. The game handles it this way. It says direct damage when it means single target. (Usually)

I think that is not correct. Direct damage does not mean single target.

All damage fits into two different characterizations. The first is either direct or DoT and the second is single target vs AoE.

So something can be direct damage and AoE. That would be instant damage that is an AoE.

Sorry, I meant single target damage as in not being a damage over time effect.
It does not change the circumstance that Kjalnar is a direct damage, single target attack and should therefor be increased by flame staves.

I suggest you word it correctly as the inaccurate use of terms is distracting.

Dracane

idk wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Harrdarrzarr wrote: »

with direct damage, you mean single target damage?

Not I. The game handles it this way. It says direct damage when it means single target. (Usually)

I think that is not correct. Direct damage does not mean single target.

All damage fits into two different characterizations. The first is either direct or DoT and the second is single target vs AoE.

So something can be direct damage and AoE. That would be instant damage that is an AoE.

Sorry, I meant single target damage as in not being a damage over time effect.
It does not change the circumstance that Kjalnar is a direct damage, single target attack and should therefor be increased by flame staves.

I suggest you word it correctly as the inaccurate use of terms is distracting.

Then, with your allowance, I shall edit.

Barbaran

Dracane wrote: »

The Kjalnar's Nightmare monster set is not affected by the 8% direct damage passive from inferno staves and also not by the 8% AoE damage from lightning staves.
As far as I am aware, all offensive attacks and effects in ESO are, at their very core, either direct damage or aoe damage. Since Kjalnar appears to only hit 1 target, it might be considered direct damage.

Flame staff increases damage from single target 'ABILITIES'. A monster helm proc is not an ability.
Case closed Watson. Now tell the Hardy boys to call Nancy drew and let's grab a drink.

Dracane

Dracane wrote: »

Harrdarrzarr wrote: »

with direct damage, you mean single target damage?

Not I. The game handles it this way. It says direct damage when it means single target. (Usually)

Barbaran wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

The Kjalnar's Nightmare monster set is not affected by the 8% direct damage passive from inferno staves and also not by the 8% AoE damage from lightning staves.
As far as I am aware, all offensive attacks and effects in ESO are, at their very core, either direct damage or aoe damage. Since Kjalnar appears to only hit 1 target, it might be considered direct damage.

Flame staff increases damage from single target 'ABILITIES'. A monster helm proc is not an ability.
Case closed Watson. Now tell the Hardy boys to call Nancy drew and let's grab a drink.

@Barbaran So Zaan, Illambris, Grothdarr and any other offensive monster set in the game are abilities? This has to be the most uninformed thing I have ever read here. All these sets get boostes by either flame or lightning staves. Because staves do not only boost abilities, but any single target or aoe damage.

Olupajmibanan

Barbaran wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

The Kjalnar's Nightmare monster set is not affected by the 8% direct damage passive from inferno staves and also not by the 8% AoE damage from lightning staves.
As far as I am aware, all offensive attacks and effects in ESO are, at their very core, either direct damage or aoe damage. Since Kjalnar appears to only hit 1 target, it might be considered direct damage.

Flame staff increases damage from single target 'ABILITIES'. A monster helm proc is not an ability.
Case closed Watson. Now tell the Hardy boys to call Nancy drew and let's grab a drink.

Ancient knowledge affects sets as well. I agree that wording in ESO is a problem since begining. That's why you should always try things for yourself instead of googling it.

Much more intuitive wording would be "increases all your single target damage when having a flame staff equipped" instead of "increase the damage of your single target abilities ...". Because the passive does the first but says the second.

Dracane wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Harrdarrzarr wrote: »

with direct damage, you mean single target damage?

Not I. The game handles it this way. It says direct damage when it means single target. (Usually)

Barbaran wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

The Kjalnar's Nightmare monster set is not affected by the 8% direct damage passive from inferno staves and also not by the 8% AoE damage from lightning staves.
As far as I am aware, all offensive attacks and effects in ESO are, at their very core, either direct damage or aoe damage. Since Kjalnar appears to only hit 1 target, it might be considered direct damage.

Flame staff increases damage from single target 'ABILITIES'. A monster helm proc is not an ability.
Case closed Watson. Now tell the Hardy boys to call Nancy drew and let's grab a drink.

@Barbaran So Zaan, Illambris, Grothdarr and any other offensive monster set in the game are abilities? This has to be the most uninformed thing I have ever read here. All these sets get boostes by either flame or lightning staves. Because staves do not only boost abilities, but any single target or aoe damage.

Weapon enchants or alchemical poisons aren't abilities either and still get boosted by Ancient Knowledge and similar effects.

Dracane

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Barbaran wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

The Kjalnar's Nightmare monster set is not affected by the 8% direct damage passive from inferno staves and also not by the 8% AoE damage from lightning staves.
As far as I am aware, all offensive attacks and effects in ESO are, at their very core, either direct damage or aoe damage. Since Kjalnar appears to only hit 1 target, it might be considered direct damage.

Flame staff increases damage from single target 'ABILITIES'. A monster helm proc is not an ability.
Case closed Watson. Now tell the Hardy boys to call Nancy drew and let's grab a drink.

Ancient knowledge affects sets as well. I agree that wording in ESO is a problem since begining. That's why you should always try things for yourself instead of googling it.

Much more intuitive wording would be "increases all your single target damage when having a flame staff equipped" instead of "increase the damage of your single target abilities ...". Because the passive does the first but says the second.

Dracane wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Harrdarrzarr wrote: »

with direct damage, you mean single target damage?

Not I. The game handles it this way. It says direct damage when it means single target. (Usually)

Barbaran wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

The Kjalnar's Nightmare monster set is not affected by the 8% direct damage passive from inferno staves and also not by the 8% AoE damage from lightning staves.
As far as I am aware, all offensive attacks and effects in ESO are, at their very core, either direct damage or aoe damage. Since Kjalnar appears to only hit 1 target, it might be considered direct damage.

Flame staff increases damage from single target 'ABILITIES'. A monster helm proc is not an ability.
Case closed Watson. Now tell the Hardy boys to call Nancy drew and let's grab a drink.

@Barbaran So Zaan, Illambris, Grothdarr and any other offensive monster set in the game are abilities? This has to be the most uninformed thing I have ever read here. All these sets get boostes by either flame or lightning staves. Because staves do not only boost abilities, but any single target or aoe damage.

Weapon enchants or alchemical poisons aren't abilities either and still get boosted by Ancient Knowledge and similar effects.

Indeed. Further fueling the need for Kjalnar to be affected by it. It is no different.