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There’s still time to balance shuffle
Baphomet
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Because 20% damage reduction to AoEs is too strong.
Why give some of the most tanky and evasive stam builds a whooping 20% damage reduction on top of everything else?
10% damage reduction would easily suffice.
Don’t let this OP ability go under the radar again @ZOS
It should get the same treatment that harness magicka and immovable recieved a while back.
Why give some of the most tanky and evasive stam builds a whooping 20% damage reduction on top of everything else?
10% damage reduction would easily suffice.
Don’t let this OP ability go under the radar again @ZOS
It should get the same treatment that harness magicka and immovable recieved a while back.
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Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PTS isn’t the venue for your idea, @Baphomet ... since it’s not something ZOS has asked players to test for Update 25.
Head on over to Combat & Character mechanics and start a new thread or continue an existing one.3 -
Rikumaru✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, lets push players away from medium armor and towards BRP DW in heavy. What a fantastic plan to fix players being too tanky (against AOE's of all things).Edited by Rikumaru on February 6, 2020 9:36PMOverload rework. Power Overload now does physical damage and grants you the power of a tornado: You throw a brick at the target with a light attack, and you hammer your head into that brick with every heavy attack. We have decreased its Ultimate cost, but increased the chance that you get stuck in the animation.9 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Wow, today just keeps getting more unbelievable...
I can't even write a block of text responding. I will just get my tea ready for a weak after patch day...That's about the time it will take for everyone to agree that the target was missed...2 -
umagon✭✭✭✭✭It’s only 25% reduction if the attacker is ignoring the target’s resistances and the two are in non-champion point enabled areas. That 25% is on average only ~12% actual effective damage reduction. If it started at 10% it would end up around 3-5% on average.2
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olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The tank heavy armor meta is raging on stronger then ever, and u ask to nerf shuffle.. wow. Well tbh the 3 players left using medium armor in cyro might get upset.
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MajBludd✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think when ppl call for nerfs they should have to post their build. This way we can know if there is bias involved.
What build do you run, OP?0 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The tank heavy armor meta is raging on stronger then ever, and u ask to nerf shuffle.. wow. Well tbh the 3 players left using medium armor in cyro might get upset.
I see more medium armor users than heavy tbh. Saying medium isn't part of the meta ain't true.Edited by Qbiken on February 7, 2020 11:28AM5 -
BaiterOfZergs✭✭✭✭✭Medium has been meta overall since summerset , those people you think are in heavy are probably using medium.Zerg of House Smallscale, First of his name, wielder of Volendrung, battleground hero, Cyrodiil butcher, the swifft footed, OG of the Templars and first pvpers, defender of scrolls and baiter of zergs.3 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The tank heavy armor meta is raging on stronger then ever, and u ask to nerf shuffle.. wow. Well tbh the 3 players left using medium armor in cyro might get upset.
Heavy is actually pretty dead for the most part. People run medium with increased defensive stats simply becasue it's a whole lot more effective to do so. That's why you think it's heavy, while it is, in fact, not.3 -
MincVinyl✭✭✭✭✭The tank heavy armor meta is raging on stronger then ever, and u ask to nerf shuffle.. wow. Well tbh the 3 players left using medium armor in cyro might get upset.
Heavy is actually pretty dead for the most part. People run medium with increased defensive stats simply becasue it's a whole lot more effective to do so. That's why you think it's heavy, while it is, in fact, not.
So you are telling me the meta that can be run on any stam build isn't heavy bloodspawn/fury/nma/brpdw. What reason would you have to go medium?0 -
killingspreeb16_ESO✭✭✭✭yeah sure,BG are alredy full of aoe no sense and shuffle basically do nothing against that but let's nerf shuffle.
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Brandathorbel✭✭✭✭✭Because 20% damage reduction to AoEs is too strong.
Why give some of the most tanky and evasive stam builds a whooping 20% damage reduction on top of everything else?
10% damage reduction would easily suffice.
Don’t let this OP ability go under the radar again @ZOS
It should get the same treatment that harness magicka and immovable recieved a while back.
on behalf of everyone. please stop with the nerfsEdited by Brandathorbel on February 8, 2020 8:44PM3 -
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✭These nerf threads are ridiculous. I hope one day everyone's just running aroun light attacking, and a new player joins in asking "is this it?". Our response will be a very dour "nerf threads..."Veit ég aðég hékk vindga meiði á nætr allar níu, geiri undaðr og gefinn Oðni, sjálfr sjálfum mér, á þeim meiði er manngi veit hvers hann af rótum rennr.3 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The tank heavy armor meta is raging on stronger then ever, and u ask to nerf shuffle.. wow. Well tbh the 3 players left using medium armor in cyro might get upset.
Heavy is actually pretty dead for the most part. People run medium with increased defensive stats simply becasue it's a whole lot more effective to do so. That's why you think it's heavy, while it is, in fact, not.
So you are telling me the meta that can be run on any stam build isn't heavy bloodspawn/fury/nma/brpdw. What reason would you have to go medium?
What reason? Seriously? Just compare the passives my friend. People that run Fury/NMA/BRPDW always run MEDIUM. Especially those that utilize brpdw, cause that covers their defensives pretty much by itself. As for others without BRPDW, did you know you could get the same resistances as a heavy, by simply getting certain traits? Heavy isn't that good, unless you just want to be a troll tank. Honestly.2 -
MincVinyl✭✭✭✭✭The tank heavy armor meta is raging on stronger then ever, and u ask to nerf shuffle.. wow. Well tbh the 3 players left using medium armor in cyro might get upset.
Heavy is actually pretty dead for the most part. People run medium with increased defensive stats simply becasue it's a whole lot more effective to do so. That's why you think it's heavy, while it is, in fact, not.
So you are telling me the meta that can be run on any stam build isn't heavy bloodspawn/fury/nma/brpdw. What reason would you have to go medium?
What reason? Seriously? Just compare the passives my friend. People that run Fury/NMA/BRPDW always run MEDIUM. Especially those that utilize brpdw, cause that covers their defensives pretty much by itself. As for others without BRPDW, did you know you could get the same resistances as a heavy, by simply getting certain traits? Heavy isn't that good, unless you just want to be a troll tank. Honestly.
This is simple to make a comparison, just need to grab a few numbers on pts. Keep in mind the +numbers are what one setup offers vs the other, not what one offers in general.
BS/Fury/NMA/brpdw(backbar)
5x medium
+677 resists (1%mit) using 3x protective to make up for heavy armor loss
+5% crit
+108 wd
+149 stam recov
+9% sprint speed (could convert this to cost/distance then to effective stam recov)
+12% roll cost reduction (546 stam saved or ~ 273 stam recov based on rolling every 4sec) (37 tumbling)
+6% stam cost of abilities (135 stam saved on dizzy~135 recov[based on dizzy weave]) (189 saved on quick cloak)
5x heavy
+1229 hp (300hp difference from battlespirit and 929hp difference from heavy armor passive)
+8% healing recieved
+86 hp recov
+162 stam return/2 sec (constitution)
+162 mag return/2 sec (constitution)
+25% heavy attack stam restore (roughly 660 stam return more every 2 sec[dizzy weave])(32 tenacity on both medium/heavy)
The build stays relatively the same, medium armor grants you slightly more damage, but heavy armor is close and offers more guaranteed sustain especially for players who tend to block/sprint more than roll dodge. Medium can only get close to matching heavy if they are constantly wasting resources, heavy players just need to receive damage and heavy attack.
medium sources offer 557 stam sustain more than the heavy build, but this is giving the benefit of the doubt of perfect consistant roll dodges(which would cut into gcds that make ability cost reduction more efficient and heavy attack time)
heavy sources offer 822 stam sustain more than medium builds +162 mag sustain(does not require you to reach this number via roll dodges giving near perfect efficiency on this number. This also goes without mentioning offbalance bonus to heavy attack sustaining)
In short
medium perks
1% mit
5% crit
108 wd
557 effective stam recov (given a huge pass on inefficiencies)
9% sprint speed
heavy perks
1229 hp
8% healing received
86 hp recov
822 effective stam recov
162 mag recov
This all goes to mention that there is no reason to call to nerf shuffle/elude since It would most likely not even be used on the meta stam build since you already get evasion through cloak. Snare immunity is not really needed anymore since its short duration does not make it worth using over brp quick cloak. An argument could be made to maybe use elude, but this ability only grants expedition when in combat which means if you dropped another source of escape like quick cloak for deadly or streak(less mag sustain in medium) you would have little means of breaking away from an enemy group.Edited by MincVinyl on February 8, 2020 8:42PM3 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The tank heavy armor meta is raging on stronger then ever, and u ask to nerf shuffle.. wow. Well tbh the 3 players left using medium armor in cyro might get upset.
Heavy is actually pretty dead for the most part. People run medium with increased defensive stats simply becasue it's a whole lot more effective to do so. That's why you think it's heavy, while it is, in fact, not.
So you are telling me the meta that can be run on any stam build isn't heavy bloodspawn/fury/nma/brpdw. What reason would you have to go medium?
What reason? Seriously? Just compare the passives my friend. People that run Fury/NMA/BRPDW always run MEDIUM. Especially those that utilize brpdw, cause that covers their defensives pretty much by itself. As for others without BRPDW, did you know you could get the same resistances as a heavy, by simply getting certain traits? Heavy isn't that good, unless you just want to be a troll tank. Honestly.
Though I agree about medium, but about major protection providing "all defenses by itself"... feels like we play different game. If you have let's say 20k resists and high uptime of major protection any skilled high dps player will blew through that protection like it didn't exist. If you'll add maim and minor protection on top of that + bloodspawn proc and something like occasional purge/mist/block then yeah you can dance with him but major protection alone is nothing. It is major contributor to protection comparable to block and resistances, but not like it covers everything by itself.0
