Crown Crates are loot boxes (gambling)

Ringing_Nirnroot

Sorry not sorry

Everstorm

Was there any debate about crown crates being loot boxes?

ccloyesb14_ESO

Ok?

oddbasket

I mean it's good there's several discussions about this (already), but isn't this the 2nd poll over the weekend?

witchdoctor

Raisin

In OPs defense, there's no question mark. So it's really not even a question, just a very obvious statement.

darthgummibear_ESO

Yes

Due to unanimous feedback, crown crates are indeed gambling lootboxes.


Seriously, was this even a question?

Anotherone773

Can someone help me please? There are so many choices in this poll that i simply cant choose which one best describes my delusions.

darthgummibear_ESO

Yes

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Can someone help me please? There are so many choices in this poll that i simply cant choose which one best describes my delusions.

It's not a delusion. No matter how many times you try to throw your pretentious crap out to prove otherwise.

Raisin

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Can someone help me please? There are so many choices in this poll that i simply cant choose which one best describes my delusions.

It's a shame there was no option for "Yes" (read in a swiss accent, slightly lisping, in my head). Clearly a biased poll, as I don't like the way the voices in my head read the given two options.

witchdoctor

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Can someone help me please? There are so many choices in this poll that i simply cant choose which one best describes my delusions.

It's not a delusion. No matter how many times you try to throw your pretentious crap out to prove otherwise.

Charge forth, brave forum warrior!

Turelus

Actual gambling? No.

Use most of the same tricks and traps as gambling? Yes.

Should be regulated by governments? Sadly yes, because games publishers have no interest in doing what's good for their customers.

idk

oddbasket wrote: »

I mean it's good there's several discussions about this (already), but isn't this the 2nd poll over the weekend?

In the end I do not think the poll really matters much because Zos has their own poll they take every month that gives them the real information that matters. It is the bank revenue showing how much players really do like crown crates. As for the gambling part, they have actual lawyers giving them professional advice which is probably better than getting legal advice from the forums.

Unfadingsilence

No since they have already been told that they are not a form of gambling. Smh you are late to the part OP 🤦‍♂️

Turelus

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

No since they have already been told that they are not a form of gambling. Smh you are late to the part OP 🤦‍♂️

They're not gambling, also most countries won't classify them as gambling. They do however use all the same tricks as gambling, meaning they trigger the same psychological effects on those prone to them.

Their entire design is made around getting people to "keep trying" and make more money.

Anotherone773

Turelus wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

No since they have already been told that they are not a form of gambling. Smh you are late to the part OP 🤦‍♂️

They're not gambling, also most countries won't classify them as gambling. They do however use all the same tricks as gambling, meaning they trigger the same psychological effects on those prone to them.

Their entire design is made around getting people to "keep trying" and make more money.

I think without that gimmick though, they would feel the need to push more crown store items( for a set price) and i like how low key the crown store ( and crates) are now. They are there if you want them, they might advertise a little bit on the announcements and such but its pretty low key and not a strong resource focus.

I dont want it to turn into mobile games where you constantly have splash screens in your face trying to get you to buy stuff. That is one of the big reasons im fine with the crates. I think they would have to make a lot more effort to sell us stuff without them.

myskyrim26

The entire game is gambling. You harvest a node and you never know what you'll get. You open a treasure chest and you never know what you'll get. You need to open a lot of chests to get what you want. You need to pay for chapters and DLC to have choice of getting some items, and there's no guarantee you'll get them. Now what?

FierceSam

Yes

The very definition of gamble boxes

Foul things

ThePedge

Duh

Darkenarlol

go get some crowns or gold and buy yourself

some crown crates allready instead of creating

useless polls full of salt and jelly (they are not tasty)

MCBIZZLE300

Yes

They are cosmetic only though so I dont have a huge problem with them. If you have a problem with them, don't buy them.

Tigerseye

Yes

myskyrim26 wrote: »

The entire game is gambling. You harvest a node and you never know what you'll get. You open a treasure chest and you never know what you'll get. You need to open a lot of chests to get what you want. You need to pay for chapters and DLC to have choice of getting some items, and there's no guarantee you'll get them. Now what?

Yeah, but you're not paying for every node and treasure chest individually, with real money (albeit indirectly).

You buy the chapter and those things are included in the price, along with a lot of other things.

iJuacob

Yes

I'm pretty sure loot boxes are banned in Belgium and yet I'm able to buy them in eso. So somehow they're not classified as "gambling boxes".

Tigerseye

Yes

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

No since they have already been told that they are not a form of gambling. Smh you are late to the part OP 🤦‍♂️

They're not gambling, also most countries won't classify them as gambling. They do however use all the same tricks as gambling, meaning they trigger the same psychological effects on those prone to them.

Their entire design is made around getting people to "keep trying" and make more money.

I think without that gimmick though, they would feel the need to push more crown store items( for a set price) and i like how low key the crown store ( and crates) are now. They are there if you want them, they might advertise a little bit on the announcements and such but its pretty low key and not a strong resource focus.

I dont want it to turn into mobile games where you constantly have splash screens in your face trying to get you to buy stuff. That is one of the big reasons im fine with the crates. I think they would have to make a lot more effort to sell us stuff without them.

Why would it make any difference to the advertising if things were in crates, or not?

kaisernick

Yes

MCBIZZLE300 wrote: »

They are cosmetic only though so I dont have a huge problem with them. If you have a problem with them, don't buy them.

First off that excuse has been destroyed countless times that just cosmetic is not a reason.

Second crown crates are not just cosmetic though they have items that do effect gameplay in them.

JKorr

HorkerSlay3r wrote: »

Sorry not sorry

Technically, no, they aren't.

When the crown crates came out, the premise was/is that the crates offer bundled consumables for a better price than buying separately. They offer a chance for costumes and/or other items. But that isn't supposed to be the main reason people buy them. The fact that people don't want the consumables doesn't change the stated reason for the crates.

People chasing apex mounts or specific items are gambling on the chance of getting those specific/special items.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/25871

This Thursday, we'll be introducing the first season of Crown Crates to the ESO Crown Store. Crown Crates are purchased through the Crown Store, and contain a randomized selection of useful consumables and collectibles that are valued more than the price of a single crate. In addition, they also offer a chance to obtain unique cosmetic items, pets, or mounts. Crown Crates include new and exclusive items, as well as some items you might have missed in previous limited time offers.

Coppes

Ive yet to see anyone explain how Crown Crates “trick” someone.

VaranisArano

Spaceroamer wrote: »

Ive yet to see anyone explain how Crown Crates “trick” someone.

They (probably) don't, at least if you mean outright trickery.

Everyone who buys Crown Crates is aware they are buying "a chance" to get the item(s) they want. Now, Crown Crates do use the same techniques as gambling, which are aimed at altering how people view the transaction psychologically. Whether or not you classify those techniques as "tricks" largely seems to depend on how you feel about gambling.

Outright trickery would be ZOS altering the Crown Crate odds. Here's where I say that ZOS probably doesn't do that. However, because they've never released the expected odds or even the official payout rate, we have no official data from which to double check that ZOS isn't changing the odds in the background. That's in contrast to most state-run lotteries and casinos in the US, who are regulated by state commissions and do have to adhere to requirements like certain minimum payouts. (Interestingly, most casinos exceed the minimums due to competition with each other. Go capitalism?)

Now, one can certainly argue that because loot boxes are not yet legally gambling, that loot box using game companies should not be regulated the same way as state-run lotteries and casinos and we consumers should not expect silly things like being able to double check that ZOS isn't changing the Crown Crate odds. Fortunately, that's becoming a moot point, as Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft are bowing to pressure from the FTC and starting to self-regulate before the lawmakers step in to do it for them. Consoles will be requiring loot box games to reveal their odds in 2020, so we can look forward to knowing that ZOS isn't pulling a Darth Vader and altering the deal. I'm delighted to see the odds myself, largely because knowing the odds is one of the best ways to combat most gambling techniques. Knowledge truly is power.

ZeroSamGame

Everything you get in a crown crate can be sold for crown gems. Everything you get in a crown crate can be purchased for crown gems. Yes, it can be expensive to get the items(s) you actually want but this isn't how gambling works. This is basically just ZOS determining what the market rates are going to be for their own goodies without any competition in said market. It feels more like a monopoly than gambling to me. Just sayin'.

Asys

Yes

Spaceroamer wrote: »

Ive yet to see anyone explain how Crown Crates “trick” someone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YMTAZBe6cA

Coppes

Asys wrote: »

Spaceroamer wrote: »

Ive yet to see anyone explain how Crown Crates “trick” someone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YMTAZBe6cA

TL;DW

I don’t have the time to watch a 6:00+ video on a topic that I don’t find that interesting.

Crown Crates are not gambling too. You’re guaranteed to get your worth (400 crowns) of items back from each crate.

True gambling is offering something of value and having a chance to get something worth more than you bargain or gaining nothing from it.

Stop comparing ZoS’s Crates to Gambling. It’s been discussed more times than I can count.