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Unreadable legal agreement
merevie
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Legal agreement font is in a small box mid screen.
There is no way to enlarge it.
Could not read it but also could not enter game without clicking the box.
After recent court cases that were lost by companies over similar practice... make it readable.
Edited by merevie on January 27, 2020 6:20PM There is no way to enlarge it.
Could not read it but also could not enter game without clicking the box.
After recent court cases that were lost by companies over similar practice... make it readable.
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Neoealth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I skipped through most of it. As they know most people will.
What I did read though basically says they collect all kinds of data about us and share it. Even the sort of data you might not expect.
The text size was readable for me though. Maybe you just need specs 😜7 -
Huyen✭✭✭✭✭
✭Legal agreement font is in a small box mid screen.
There is no way to enlarge it.
Could not read it but also could not enter game without clicking the box.
After recent court cases that were lost by companies over similar practice... make it readable.
The new legal agreement pops up in any Bethesda game atm if you use mods.Huyen Shadowpaw, dedicated nightblade tank - PS4 (Retired)
Huyen Swiftpaw, nightblade dps - PC EU (Retired)
Huyen Lightpaw, templar healer - PC EU (Retired)
Huyen Swiftpaw, necromancer dps - PC EU (Retired)
Huyen Swiftpaw, dragonknight (no defined role yet)
"Failure is only the opportunity to begin again. Only this time, more wisely" - Uncle Iroh0 -
rpa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If you are from EU anything against GDPR is void.
And whatever the fine print is you can let em know you forbid use of your personal data for marketing.
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Akisohida✭✭✭✭The other part of any EULA and TOS is 'We reserve the right to remove your access to this game for any reason'.
This covers the developers and publishers in the event that the servers are taken offline. They don't have to keep them up forever.
But it ALSO allows them to ban people. I only mention this because of all the stupid individuals who get banned in Dead by Daylight or Overwatch and snivel 'BuT I pAiD fOr ThE gAmE! ThEy CaN't TaKe It AwAy! I'll sUe!'4 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The text was larger and much more readable as I scrolled down through the box. Which you had to do to get the "Agree" to pop so you could click it....0 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well, here's the creepy part for you to read about information they collect on you for their own (not your) benefit:
"Profiles and Inferences: inferences drawn from any of the information identified above to create a profile reflecting a resident’s preferences, characteristics, psychological trends, predispositions, behavior, attitudes, intelligence, abilities, and aptitudes."
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/privacy-policy
This is seriously, seriously creepy. Can't wait for the law to catch up with this surveillance capitalism crap.Edited by Starlock on January 27, 2020 9:01PM26 -
Neoealth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well, here's the creepy part for you to read about information they collect on you for their own (not your) benefit:
"Profiles and Inferences: inferences drawn from any of the information identified above to create a profile reflecting a resident’s preferences, characteristics, psychological trends, predispositions, behavior, attitudes, intelligence, abilities, and aptitudes."
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/privacy-policy
This is seriously, seriously creepy. Can't wait for the law to catch up with this surveillance capitalism crap.
Yep. That's the part that caught my eye. It's a tad strange.5 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well, here's the creepy part for you to read about information they collect on you for their own (not your) benefit:
"Profiles and Inferences: inferences drawn from any of the information identified above to create a profile reflecting a resident’s preferences, characteristics, psychological trends, predispositions, behavior, attitudes, intelligence, abilities, and aptitudes."
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/privacy-policy
This is seriously, seriously creepy. Can't wait for the law to catch up with this surveillance capitalism crap.
Yep. That's the part that caught my eye. It's a tad strange.
I'd rather they just bloody ask me if they want to know. This stuff should be opt-in, and in some way regulated so customers aren't blatantly exploited. I mean, we're all here because we like the game. We want to see it do well, and we want to see it succeed. But this creepy, shady stuff along with how the cash shop has been going lately is just... why? These companies are worse than many people's ex-BF/GF stalkers.10 -
Thevampirenight✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well its just a legal thing that allows you to know the laws and protections you have along with their legal protections every mmo game I've played has them from what I understand. They did explain the patch notes what it was for. Just updating it for new California laws or something. They have it on the website as well I think if you want to read it in full use the website which has it on here. I'm sure many people do the same thing as me because its to much of a read and its very common in every mmo with all the terms and service and other stuff.
Okay yadiyada whatever goes to click the box that says I read and agreed to it and say yes and continue on If it requires you to scroll through it first scroll through it fast then click the box without even bothering to read it. I bet some of the devs if they do play the game do the same lol. Yeah just for legal reasons they put it out but do many people read it I doubt it .
Without even worrying about it. I will admit I just looked over seen all the legal jarbel and just didn't bother with it. I do this every time they update this type of thing stuff but there have been a couple of times I've looked over the terms and service on the website if I was curious about something. I wouldn't worry to much of the legal agreement. As its there for legal reasons.Edited by Thevampirenight on January 27, 2020 11:24PMPC NA
Please add Fangs to Vampires.0 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭"Profiles and Inferences: inferences drawn from any of the information identified above to create a profile reflecting a resident’s preferences, characteristics, psychological trends, predispositions, behavior, attitudes, intelligence, abilities, and aptitudes."
The data from Cyrodiil zone chat is going to make for some interesting profiles....
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Matchimus✭✭✭✭✭I don't like how they encourage me to lie by only giving me a tick a box saying I have read it if I wish to continue. Give me an option saying I have chosen to not read it but agree with terms.4
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✭✭✭"Profiles and Inferences: inferences drawn from any of the information identified above to create a profile reflecting a resident’s preferences, characteristics, psychological trends, predispositions, behavior, attitudes, intelligence, abilities, and aptitudes."
The data from Cyrodiil zone chat is going to make for some interesting profiles....
This made me actually LOL.3 -
Dracofyre✭✭✭✭oh cool beans! now they can see where i visit and coming from pRon site, maybe they think it really sells? perhaps buy a foul?Edited by Dracofyre on January 28, 2020 5:59AM0
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xXMeowMeowXx✭✭✭✭✭
✭They want your kittens and your soul....Oh wait, hi vestige
@ChunkyCat should talk to them for ten minutes. After which ZoS wouldn’t want to know anything about anyone....
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Anotherone773✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It basically says that they can do whatever they want and that if you do anything but what they want, they might just prevent you from playing their game. Also, they can sell share( sell) your data. They really need to fix that loophole. Companies should not be allowed to share your data as they please and you should not be forced to digitally sign away all your personal information to use their products.7 -
SmukkeHeks✭✭✭✭✭No legal disclaimer or otherwise organizational constructed agreement can undermine the single country’s laws. At least not in the eu.
Eu residents can read the GDPR on the European unions site. It’s substantial and protects our data4 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭So adopting practices like Facebook to fill the lost revenue due to lazy business practices. How not surprising... You reveal yourself best in how you play.
Kelces - Argonian Templar
Farel Donvu - Dark Elf Sorcerer
Navam Llervu - Dark Elf Dragonknight
Aniseth - Wood Elf Warden
Therediel - Wood Elf Templar
Nilonwy - Wood Elf Nightblade
Jurupari - Argonian Warden
Kú-Chulainn - Argonian Sorcerer
PC - EU
For the Pact!2 -
BisDasBlutGefriert✭✭✭✭✭I personally got about halfway through it, then said eff it. This is wasting my few precious minutes of game time I get each week.
Although I do agree, it was a bit small for me also. But, I use a tv as a monitor and sit maybe 10ft-4m away. So I literally just walked up closer to read it.~There’s a positive in every negative. Sometimes the positive is harder to find than other times, but there is ALWAYS one there~0 -
Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well, here's the creepy part for you to read about information they collect on you for their own (not your) benefit:
"Profiles and Inferences: inferences drawn from any of the information identified above to create a profile reflecting a resident’s preferences, characteristics, psychological trends, predispositions, behavior, attitudes, intelligence, abilities, and aptitudes."
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/privacy-policy
This is seriously, seriously creepy. Can't wait for the law to catch up with this surveillance capitalism crap.
Yep. That's the part that caught my eye. It's a tad strange.
I'd rather they just bloody ask me if they want to know. This stuff should be opt-in, and in some way regulated so customers aren't blatantly exploited. I mean, we're all here because we like the game. We want to see it do well, and we want to see it succeed. But this creepy, shady stuff along with how the cash shop has been going lately is just... why? These companies are worse than many people's ex-BF/GF stalkers.
The problem is if they ask you then the answers will be skewed. Analyzing the data and creating a profile of you is the most accurate way to see trends and for marketing purposes. Google has been doing it on you for over a decade....if you've been fine that long then you'll be okay now.
If you really want to look at some crazy profiling, take a look into Google Analytics, Google Enhanced E-commerce, and Google Remarketing. There isn't much ZoS can find on you that Google doesn't already know.0 -
Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭it's not legally binding unless you sign your nameI simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
BTW, I use arch too0 -
Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »Well, here's the creepy part for you to read about information they collect on you for their own (not your) benefit:
"Profiles and Inferences: inferences drawn from any of the information identified above to create a profile reflecting a resident’s preferences, characteristics, psychological trends, predispositions, behavior, attitudes, intelligence, abilities, and aptitudes."
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/privacy-policy
This is seriously, seriously creepy. Can't wait for the law to catch up with this surveillance capitalism crap.
Yep. That's the part that caught my eye. It's a tad strange.
I'd rather they just bloody ask me if they want to know. This stuff should be opt-in, and in some way regulated so customers aren't blatantly exploited. I mean, we're all here because we like the game. We want to see it do well, and we want to see it succeed. But this creepy, shady stuff along with how the cash shop has been going lately is just... why? These companies are worse than many people's ex-BF/GF stalkers.
The problem is if they ask you then the answers will be skewed. Analyzing the data and creating a profile of you is the most accurate way to see trends and for marketing purposes. Google has been doing it on you for over a decade....if you've been fine that long then you'll be okay now.
If you really want to look at some crazy profiling, take a look into Google Analytics, Google Enhanced E-commerce, and Google Remarketing. There isn't much ZoS can find on you that Google doesn't already know.
yah and these are the genuises that show you ads for stuff you already bought. hey i bought a 4k tv.... bombard me with ads for 4k tvs as if i am going to buy another....I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
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Lady_Linux✭✭✭✭✭BisDasBlutGefriert wrote: »I personally got about halfway through it, then said eff it. This is wasting my few precious minutes of game time I get each week.
Although I do agree, it was a bit small for me also. But, I use a tv as a monitor and sit maybe 10ft-4m away. So I literally just walked up closer to read it.
ctrl+ will make the text bigger usu in a browserI simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.
BTW, I use arch too0 -
1mirg✭✭✭✭✭
These are pretty much the important bits from what I skimmed. If you decline the policy the game will close out so you really have no choice but to agree. So it's just a browse wrap agreement, aka not something that can be held up in court anyway. What's in policy is essentially them telling you they have a right to collect your information for X purpose and if you wish to tell them not to you'll have to contact Y then. Overall pretty standard modern day mmo agreements but again i just skimmed it. Here is three screengrabs for you so you can read it yourself.Legal agreement font is in a small box mid screen.
There is no way to enlarge it.
Could not read it but also could not enter game without clicking the box.
After recent court cases that were lost by companies over similar practice... make it readable.
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