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Attention ZOS: You've broken Cloak. Again. (Nightblades, you'll want to read this.)
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jadarock✭✭✭✭✭I pretty much quit playing my stamblade main a while back when I realized that the dot I applied from poison injection to the opponent was pulling me from cloak. Also let's not forget a few months ago we couldn't stealth through doors.
Zos doesn't know when or how they break these things or how to fix them timely and that's why you didn't hear back from them bud
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Iarao✭✭✭✭
If it would be as uncounterable as streak, i.e. not breaking from aoes or reveal abilities, i'd be fine with even higher cost increase on subsequent casts.
have you forgotten that streaking involves being naked??
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gatekeeper13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭WhisperLFE wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »I confirm that Shadow Disguise does not always provide a critical strike. How do I know that? Because when I use Vicecannon of Venom (a set that has 100% chance to proc from direct Critical damage from stealth) and deal direct damage within 3 secs, it does not always proc. Which means that the next direct damage after you activate Shadow Disguise is not a guaranteed critical strike.
The cloak crit bonus applied to the attack that procced your set piece, the set piece poison attack is treated as a seperate attack therefore is not affected by cloak the same way enchants, poisons etc are not affected. The game is doing exactly what the tooltip says: Your NEXT direct damage attack, not ALL direct damage attacks.
Whether or not that is a good thing is a different discussion but the mechanics of Shadow Cloak ARE working as the tooltip says, if they worked different previously that is because it wasn't working properly previously.
The set procs from a Critical strike done from stealth and applies a DoT effect. If shadowy disguise causes your next direct attack to be always a critical strike, then Vicecannon of Venom should proc and apply the DoT effect 100% of the time when you direct attack after activating the cloak.
Shadowy Disguise>Direct Attack>Vicecannon procs>DoT applied
This aint always happening, at least from my experience. May be wrong.
As was mentioned, they seem to be saying that the set proc, which is triggered by dealing crit dmg, isn't actually triggering; not that the set proc isn't itself critting. This would suggest the first attack after cloaking isn't critting (because it's not triggering the set proc).
That's my take.
That's what I am saying. That the set doesnt proc as intented, because the first direct attack after cloak isnt a critical as it should be.0 -
Karmanorway✭✭✭✭✭
✭The crit bonus on Shadowy Disguise (one of the only tools left in the Nightblade arsenal that allowed any form of real burst damage) is essentially non-functional. I made several posts about this before Dragonhold went live and I filled out a bug report on the PTS server as well. No one from ZOS has acknowledged any of it. I've been playing as a Nightblade since last April, and in that time I've seen the class get progressively worse with each patch — I'm beginning to get the impression that ZOS wants Nightblades to be a third-rate class. At this point I'm past expecting ZOS to actually make the class competitive, but it would be nice if the skills actually worked the way they're supposed to.
I've documented the issue in the first 3 of the following pictures, with a full video clip of the entire sequence of events right here. The skills I used in my demonstration were Elemental Weapon, Light Attack, and Swallow Soul. In addition, there is a shock glyph on my staff. I unequipped all gear and skills, aside from the ones used.
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As you can see, the Elemental Weapon and Shadowy Disguise timers are still up during the light attack/Swallow Soul animations. (You can even still see the faint "INVISIBLE" right beneath the Shadowy Disguise timer — I am in cloak for the entire attack.)Image 2:
This shows the instant when the attacks hit — there is only one crit.Image 3:
This is a screenshot of the Combat Metrics readout that I pulled up at the end of the clip. If you look under "Crits/Hits" you see that the only attack that critted is the Light Attack.And here are 4 more Combat Metrics readouts to show that this is not a one-off. Whether or not you crit appears to be entirely dependent on your skills/equipment/RNG. Shadowy Disguise doesn't appear to have any bearing on it whatsoever.
[edit] In the last picture, you can see that nothing critted except Swallow Soul — the last ability I used. So for everyone saying "it procs on your NEXT ability": no, it doesn't.
I used my NB in cyrodiil yesterday, crits worked fine? Anyway NBs have so much dmg they dont really need that extra crit, and actually If i were u i would swap out cloak for shade, or u gonna get zerged down 🙂Edited by Karmanorway on January 17, 2020 1:22PM1 -
Wabu✭✭✭Just wait for ZoS to delete the critical damage mechanic from the game.
The Shadow mundus can become: 'Pacrooti follows you and reminds you to buy a new crown crate.'
Thief mundus: 'Receive an additional 2 crowns from the next purchase.'
And impenetrable can become 'Flip lore books 7% faster.'Edited by Wabu on January 17, 2020 1:55PMEU PC | CP 1,000+
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jadarock✭✭✭✭✭Not to get off topic but when I hit an opponent with a light attack and poison injection why without them engaging me does their skoria proc on me?
Been happening for years I cant imagine this is working properly yet I've never heard anyone else mention it ?0 -
Salvas_Aren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Not to get off topic but when I hit an opponent with a light attack and poison injection why without them engaging me does their skoria proc on me?
Been happening for years I cant imagine this is working properly yet I've never heard anyone else mention it ?
You have probably gotten a negative effect by attacking that player and the effect counts as a dot that can proc skoria.1 -
ChunkyCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭here you go. A stamblade using Vicecannon, no other gear, proc'ing Vicecannon as intended
https://youtu.be/ZgWyzc7_BYg
now lets move on to our regularly scheduled Nerf Sorc threads.Edited by ChunkyCat on January 17, 2020 2:51PM1 -
danara✭✭✭
No, this is not true.alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »I confirm that Shadow Disguise does not always provide a critical strike. How do I know that? Because when I use Vicecannon of Venom (a set that has 100% chance to proc from direct Critical damage from stealth) and deal direct damage within 3 secs, it does not always proc. Which means that the next direct damage after you activate Shadow Disguise is not a guaranteed critical strike.
The cloak crit bonus applied to the attack that procced your set piece, the set piece poison attack is treated as a seperate attack therefore is not affected by cloak the same way enchants, poisons etc are not affected. The game is doing exactly what the tooltip says: Your NEXT direct damage attack, not ALL direct damage attacks.
Whether or not that is a good thing is a different discussion but the mechanics of Shadow Cloak ARE working as the tooltip says, if they worked different previously that is because it wasn't working properly previously.
Best justification ever.1 -
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Edited by xWarbrain on January 17, 2020 3:06PMXB1 NA
Your nerf suggestion is dumb. Learn to counter other players instead of having the game rebuilt to your ability level.0 -
Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭here you go. A stamblade using Vicecannon, no other gear, proc'ing Vicecannon as intendedhttps://youtu.be/ZgWyzc7_BYg
now lets move on to our regularly scheduled Nerf Sorc threads.
? Why did you always hit dummy to start off with before doing your test to SD and not do it as it would be done in real game play off the starting of rotation??? And wheres your cp added at ????0 -
Cundu_Ertur✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I attacked a troll and made sure to cloak before each attack. the result was that each and every hit was a crit.
However, you'll also note that the absorb stamina effect, which only procs on a hit, was only a crit 33% of the time which should be low for me. I think you only get one thing that's a crit when you attack from under the cloak. So, working as intended?
I was also only doing one attack from under the cloak: disguise=>snipe, disguise=>poison injection, disguise=>LA, wait for mag to regen, disguise=>bombard, etc.
Ignore the low DPS, I was taking my time to make sure each attack was cloaked first, and then running like a chicken while my mag would regen.Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.0 -
ChunkyCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »here you go. A stamblade using Vicecannon, no other gear, proc'ing Vicecannon as intendedhttps://youtu.be/ZgWyzc7_BYg
now lets move on to our regularly scheduled Nerf Sorc threads.
? Why did you always hit dummy to start off with before doing your test to SD and not do it as it would be done in real game play off the starting of rotation??? And wheres your cp added at ????
Cp is irrelevant to the issue.
I light attacked first to establish what my base hits were without crits.
Why do you use so many question marks instead of just one like a regular person???????1 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Pretty sure this is part of their new agenda of procs cant proc procs. They decided that the crit from cloak is a proc, therefore it won't proc anything that requires a crit. Therefore, working as intended.1 -
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xAk_MoRRoWiNdx✭✭✭ZoS has hated Nightblade for YEARS. It's pretty obvious even though most people refusing to accept it. When was the last time NB was buffed, like TRULY? I'll give you a hint: IC. And no, reworks (ZoS loves doing that!), minor "buffs", and fixes for half the abilities not working properly (so, uh, THIS POST, as well Spectral damage not scaling off the right resource for the longest time!) don't count.
One of the biggest reasons why I hardly play this game anymore is because the joke of balance. One way or another, NB gets Fked overNew to forums and stuff so I 99.9 percent probably won't see your response and such, so use the at symbol at me I guess? IDK :/. This BBCode stuff is really cool!! :D.
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My wishlist I suppose:- PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEAAASSSEEE EITHER BUFF SIPHONING STRIKES OR REVERT IT BACK TO PRE MORROWIND!!.
- Bring back purge cloak. But I guess the new heal cloak is more beneficial. Hmmm....
- MAKE IMPERIAL CITY GREAT AGAIN, BRING BACK THOSE INCREDIBLE DAYS. My best experiences in ESO where in there!
- Return Stam builds to the power we held in One Tamriel. Long Live Stamina builds!
- Put Magplar and MagDK into their place. Magpsorc is a hopeless case.
- Is there any chance that we could get an Ebonheart Pact nerf? #CullingTheHerds .
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If it would be as uncounterable as streak, i.e. not breaking from aoes or reveal abilities, i'd be fine with even higher cost increase on subsequent casts.
have you forgotten that streaking involves being naked??
You also have to open your cloak to critically flash hit someone, so there is a similarity between cloak and streak I guess.0
