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No vampire, it's gonna be a long year...

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  • Faulgor
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    Nanfoodle wrote: »
    duendology wrote: »
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    Nanfoodle wrote: »
    Too Dark, I'm out. This won't win my money.

    Too dark? Have you played through the main questline or done any content in the game related to Molag Bal, aka the Daedric prince of domination, aka the Daedric prince of ***?

    He is the one who created the Volkihar vampires, and rumor is that he lived up to the last title that I mentioned when doing so. That may be adding to the "too dark" pile, but the base ESO game already features perhaps the darkest and most disturbing Daedric prince.

    yeah lets not forget that Lamae Bal (the Matriarch of all Vampire PCs) was a daughter of coldharbor. basicly Molag Bal captured, ***, tortured, and killed these women for fun, cursing some with vampirism. doesn't get much darker than that.

    Yes, all of these above.

    And, oh boy, people will always find something to complain about. :/

    People are not getting it, it's not that this type of content is not in the game. Dark topics are touched on all over the place but that's not all TES is about, a whole year on this one subject? I don't want to spend a whole year on that one subject. Vamps getting an update, sure. Make it the first part of the 4 updates, sure. A whole year, not with my money.

    I was really surprised when Rich said that the "year long story" was so well received, when there has been criticism all the time that it's just too much when you are just not interested in that particular theme of the year, and that more variety in the different DLCs was more interesting and refreshing.
    The first DLC hasn't even hit PTS yet and I'm already kind of dreading the Reach DLC in Q4, lol. It's just too much.
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  • zvavi
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    Nanfoodle wrote: »
    xclassgaming wrote: »
    Idk why people are crying its too "dark" it's an 18 plus game, what were you expecting sun shine and rainbows?

    But its probably gonna be a dawnguard retread so i understand lel

    Cuse every 18+ content makes you spend a year watching vampires before you switch subjects?

    Pretty sure the dungeon dlc are not featuring vampires, so it is not the whole year, maybe it might be only the chapter. Still better imo than the chapter+dlc we got for cats and dragons
  • Nanfoodle
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    Faulgor wrote: »
    Nanfoodle wrote: »
    duendology wrote: »
    Stravokov wrote: »
    SidraWillowsky wrote: »
    Nanfoodle wrote: »
    Too Dark, I'm out. This won't win my money.

    Too dark? Have you played through the main questline or done any content in the game related to Molag Bal, aka the Daedric prince of domination, aka the Daedric prince of ***?

    He is the one who created the Volkihar vampires, and rumor is that he lived up to the last title that I mentioned when doing so. That may be adding to the "too dark" pile, but the base ESO game already features perhaps the darkest and most disturbing Daedric prince.

    yeah lets not forget that Lamae Bal (the Matriarch of all Vampire PCs) was a daughter of coldharbor. basicly Molag Bal captured, ***, tortured, and killed these women for fun, cursing some with vampirism. doesn't get much darker than that.

    Yes, all of these above.

    And, oh boy, people will always find something to complain about. :/

    People are not getting it, it's not that this type of content is not in the game. Dark topics are touched on all over the place but that's not all TES is about, a whole year on this one subject? I don't want to spend a whole year on that one subject. Vamps getting an update, sure. Make it the first part of the 4 updates, sure. A whole year, not with my money.

    I was really surprised when Rich said that the "year long story" was so well received, when there has been criticism all the time that it's just too much when you are just not interested in that particular theme of the year, and that more variety in the different DLCs was more interesting and refreshing.
    The first DLC hasn't even hit PTS yet and I'm already kind of dreading the Reach DLC in Q4, lol. It's just too much.

    IMO Summerset is the best zone ever added to the game. Stories of all types and subjects. Also the zone looked like a fantasy setting. I enjoy playing a zone like Coldharbour but give us another Summerset from time to time.
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    redspecter23 wrote: »
    It's better than a whole year of cats... um I mean dragons.

    I agree heartily
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    I'm not exactly a fan of Dragons but I was still here for it. I'm not really a fan of Nordic Culture either but, It looks much better than I thought it would be. I'm excited for the Vampire Revamp and glad to see Lyris TitanBorn Return.

    Don't Ruin the Hype for everyone before the chapter has yet to be completed let alone even come close to being released yet! You're complaining about something you know little to absolutely nothing about.

    Calm down. B)
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    Nanfoodle wrote: »

    IMO Summerset is the best zone ever added to the game. Stories of all types and subjects. Also the zone looked like a fantasy setting. I enjoy playing a zone like Coldharbour but give us another Summerset from time to time.

    And imagine there are people who just are not fond of this Summerset Disney zone or Elswyr and cats everywhere.. and are all fine with the fact now they're getting something different?

    It's just my opinion and "preferences" over yours.
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  • Khatou
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    Yes, I'm not saying that this type of story shouldn't exist in TESO, of course it should be present in TESO one day, it's just that spreading the subject over a year might be quite long, after that you can say the same thing about dragons, but I think that with a dragon story people could project themselves into it more than a vampire topic and especially as a theme of the year linked to a region as emblematic as Skyrim, at worst, they should have announced vampires during the year, but not at the first announcement of Skyrim arrival.
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    Nanfoodle wrote: »
    TheFM wrote: »
    Nanfoodle wrote: »
    Too Dark, I'm out. This won't win my money.

    Vampires, werewolves, witches, and the supernatural have always been part of TES lore, a HUGE part. Hell, Molag Bal was originally the daedric prince of ***. And the entire main story revolves around him.

    They are there but always a side thing you can decide to be part of. Sure one will show up in a story from time to time and you need to decide if you should cut off its head but your always happy when you have moved on to something else. It's a side dish not the main course. This is allot to have to eat over a long year as the main focus.

    The entire main story and alliance story has to do with the daedric prince of *** and necromancy on some level. It's pretty darned present. If you didn't do the main story line or the alliance line, or elsweyr, what are u even doing?
  • Hallothiel
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    Depravity and destruction are basic mainstays of this game!
    You have to kill people ALL THE TIME. Deadra are really really not ‘nice’ at all.

    And people are complaining about the year long story that might possibly be about vampires? You don’t even know what the whole story is yet, (many other things were mentioned. Such as ‘separatist’ Nords outside the Pact; werewolves & witches; possibly The Reach) and yet you already decided.

    I wasn’t keen on the idea of dragons initially, but liked Elsweyr a lot when I played it through. I am not personally enamoured of vampires etc either but I will wait & see.

    But hey, these forums are for whinging and complaining that the game does not manage to be all things to all people. Sad.
  • Klad
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    I don't know....a full year of chopping off Vampires heads.

    Could be worse.
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    I have to agree with some of the detractors, vampires seems more like sub-plot content, rather than a driving primary plot for a whole chapter. In skyrim as an example, even the whole Imperial occupation force v.s. the militant Stormcloak faction sub-plot had a great deal of depth and you could see reasonable and extremist views from both camps. I can't see how they are going to thicken this out with any juicy drama or complex decisions, we're just going to be westerners fighting evil, like we always do, again.
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    xclassgaming wrote: »
    Idk why people are crying its too "dark" it's an 18 plus game, what were you expecting sun shine and rainbows?








    But its probably gonna be a dawnguard retread so i understand lel

    Well maybe because it seems like for many players its becoming increasingly harder to be the "hero of tamriel." Even avoiding the evil paths I have felt it nearly impossible to feel like the hero of anything in this game. Being an M rated game doesn't mean it has to be filled with dark themes. I still wish they would've pushed for the T rating back in the day.
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    Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »
    Tbh. I am kinda curious how they are going to balance it out. WWs are already useless on live and vamps are superior. They are mandatory for competitive PvP and very useful in end-game PvE - they boost your DPS by quite a lot.

    So if they are going to "re-vamp the vamp" and buff it, it would be simply weird to see no changes to WW.

    What ability, exactly, from the vampire skill line, do you slot on your bars & weave into your rotation that increases your DPS in PvE content? I'll wait eagerly for a response.😁
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    Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »
    Tbh. I am kinda curious how they are going to balance it out. WWs are already useless on live and vamps are superior. They are mandatory for competitive PvP and very useful in end-game PvE - they boost your DPS by quite a lot.

    So if they are going to "re-vamp the vamp" and buff it, it would be simply weird to see no changes to WW.

    Mandatory? Lol. So many builds tell you NOT to use Vampire, since fire damage is absurd!
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    • bearbelly
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      Nanfoodle wrote: »
      Ratzkifal wrote: »
      Vampires, Witches and even Falmer (although the Devs were very hesitant to confirm them).

      They know what they did is why the hesitation. They knew this would be polarizing. Making it a year long theme is the kicker. It's a whole year of content that not only I have no interest in but is repulsive to many. Hesitant is right.

      That's not why they were hesitant to mention the Falmer. They were hesitant to spoil a much-desired story element up front.
      People have been asking for the Falmer to make an appearance for years.

      "They know what they did." Gah. Stop.
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      Esoriel wrote: »
      xclassgaming wrote: »
      Idk why people are crying its too "dark" it's an 18 plus game, what were you expecting sun shine and rainbows?








      But its probably gonna be a dawnguard retread so i understand lel

      Well maybe because it seems like for many players its becoming increasingly harder to be the "hero of tamriel." Even avoiding the evil paths I have felt it nearly impossible to feel like the hero of anything in this game. Being an M rated game doesn't mean it has to be filled with dark themes. I still wish they would've pushed for the T rating back in the day.

      "t rating"

      Aight boss, you do know from the get-go you're fighting the basically-god of *** right? And that your character is literally a soulless being killed by a cult?

      If you want a non-rated M game, maybe go try another MMO.
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      Noxavian wrote: »
      Esoriel wrote: »
      xclassgaming wrote: »
      Idk why people are crying its too "dark" it's an 18 plus game, what were you expecting sun shine and rainbows?








      But its probably gonna be a dawnguard retread so i understand lel

      Well maybe because it seems like for many players its becoming increasingly harder to be the "hero of tamriel." Even avoiding the evil paths I have felt it nearly impossible to feel like the hero of anything in this game. Being an M rated game doesn't mean it has to be filled with dark themes. I still wish they would've pushed for the T rating back in the day.

      "t rating"

      Aight boss, you do know from the get-go you're fighting the basically-god of *** right? And that your character is literally a soulless being killed by a cult?

      If you want a non-rated M game, maybe go try another MMO.

      Well.. there is a reason they tried for the T rating back in the day. Think about why. This is an mmo. Numbers mean everything in an mmo. Its the difference between servers being online or offline.
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      Is no one else worried that they destroy vamp? Vamps aren't amazing but they're useful - I just can't think of many things zos has decided to "take a look at" and it comes out great in the end...
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      I don't understand all of the complaints about vampire changes. This forums has been lit up for years because vampires did not follow standard genre. People complained that vampires should Need to feed and grow weaker when they did not feed.

      They re-vamp (their pun, not mine ) to do just this and to have actual vampiric powers, again following the genre...

      and people are COMPLAINING ????

      I don't get it.

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    • Noxavian
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      barney2525 wrote: »
      I don't understand all of the complaints about vampire changes. This forums has been lit up for years because vampires did not follow standard genre. People complained that vampires should Need to feed and grow weaker when they did not feed.

      They re-vamp (their pun, not mine ) to do just this and to have actual vampiric powers, again following the genre...

      and people are COMPLAINING ????

      I don't get it.

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      It's a very, very small vocal minority.

      I will be genuinely surprised if ZOS does anything about it. These are the same as the people that were screeching about why Necromancer couldnt be added or why dragons couldn't return.

      There's be enough positive feedback for them to not even acknowledge these people. Especially if the new system works out very well and is loved by many, the screeches of the few lore-nerds will eventually just be drowned out.
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      Skorro wrote: »
      Is no one else worried that they destroy vamp? Vamps aren't amazing but they're useful - I just can't think of many things zos has decided to "take a look at" and it comes out great in the end...

      Imagine being worried about them destroying something that is basically garbage to begin with and you haven't even seen the new system yet....

      The entire point of the re-vamp is to completely overhaul the vampire system. Give us something we've not had before. Step away from the passives-only play style of current vamp.

      At least wait till they release details about it before being worried.
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      OMFG...
      People is always complaining for everything. I was sick of cats....little omes...big ones...silly voices...you talking in the main Elsweyr quest with that little cat...it was embarassing. But I enjoyed a lot the rest. The zone design,the atmosphere...
      And now this new year seems like a dream come true! Skyrim again!!
      Ler's hope 2020 is about Cyro or Hammerfell! But well TESVI is gonna be Hammerfell.
      Edited by RazielSR on January 18, 2020 8:08AM
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      No khadjiit, that was a long year
    • Tommy_The_Gun
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      XIIICaesar wrote: »
      Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »
      Tbh. I am kinda curious how they are going to balance it out. WWs are already useless on live and vamps are superior. They are mandatory for competitive PvP and very useful in end-game PvE - they boost your DPS by quite a lot.

      So if they are going to "re-vamp the vamp" and buff it, it would be simply weird to see no changes to WW.

      What ability, exactly, from the vampire skill line, do you slot on your bars & weave into your rotation that increases your DPS in PvE content? I'll wait eagerly for a response.😁
      You dont have to slot anything. You have vamp passives that boost your resources recovery which helps sustain your rotation.
      Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on January 18, 2020 10:54AM
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      barney2525 wrote: »
      They re-vamp (their pun, not mine ) to do just this and to have actual vampiric powers, again following the genre...

      and people are COMPLAINING ????

      With those changes, the tables are turned: the few that want to roleplay vampires can do so in a way that makes sense, but now the majority of min-maxers need to actually play vampires to keep their buffs.


      Edited by Toanis on January 18, 2020 11:23AM
    • ku5h
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      Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »
      Tbh. I am kinda curious how they are going to balance it out. WWs are already useless on live and vamps are superior. They are mandatory for competitive PvP and very useful in end-game PvE - they boost your DPS by quite a lot.

      So if they are going to "re-vamp the vamp" and buff it, it would be simply weird to see no changes to WW.

      I'll go ahead and guess you don't PvP competitively, because your statement isvflat out wrong.
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