I urgently request the fix of the Battleground system.

NStunner

In the previous patch, the match was not starting due to missing players in the teams. I thought they fixed this problem. But they had changed only the problem. Now we play every match with the missing player. Have you ever seen a football team which play a match with a missing member without reason? I think the team that developed this game is just the programmer, because I don't think they're gamers.

I demand whatever needs to happen in an ordinary Multiplayer game:
*Equal number of players
*Power balance of teams
*Easy to find match

I demand a greater sanction for the player who leaves the match. Please consider our demands.

quadraxis666

How you see yourself:



How the devs see you:

redspecter23

Counting to 12 is hard. After you run out of fingers and thumbs to count on, you begin to lose track.

Katahdin

ZoS works on ZoS time, not angry player time

Royaji

Go buy a crown crate to cheer you up.

Darkmage1337

Or, Z0$ doesn't work at all.
https://www.zenimaxonline.com/careers
So many job openings.
Go ahead and apply, fix the game yourself!

NStunner

Is it a crime to be angry? Yes i'm angry because I have repeatedly played 1/4/4 matches. I want everything to be the way it should be, nothing more.

Taunky

Oh, I'm sure they'll take your demands more seriously compared to the rest of the community.

NStunner

Those who laugh at what I write are either not playing Battleground, or are masochistic flatters. I just want an equal number of people to play, what's wrong with that? I may have an angry tone, but I'm sick of it.

MrGarlic

But, if there's still only 10-11 people in the queue after 7 minutes.......

So maybe there just aren't enough people playing battlegrounds. Like Cyro, maybe it's dying and players have lost interest in it.

Alienoutlaw

ZOS does not negotiate, ZOS does not bend to 1 threads list of demands
they will close the thread as bashing/non constructive though so.............
at least they read it

Jeremy

NStunner wrote: »

In the previous patch, the match was not starting due to missing players in the teams. I thought they fixed this problem. But they had changed only the problem. Now we play every match with the missing player. Have you ever seen a football team which play a match with a missing member without reason? I think the team that developed this game is just the programmer, because I don't think they're gamers.

I demand whatever needs to happen in an ordinary Multiplayer game:
*Equal number of players
*Power balance of teams
*Easy to find match

I demand a greater sanction for the player who leaves the match. Please consider our demands.

It does suck being in an outnumbered team. But at least you get to play.

It's better than just sitting there forever until you get bored and eat the deserter penalty. So while not the solution I would prefer, at least it's better than it was.

MentalxHammer

Agree, many players spend most of their play time in BGs myself included. I literally stopped playing because of this issue, this needs to end ZOS!

ayu_fever

regardless of what matchmaking tool is in place, there have to actually be players engaged with the content.

for pvp, battlegrounds is just not something the vast majority of the players are playing.
there IS interest, and there are those who love it.
however, most of us just dont do pvp content at all.

we pve carebears get broken queues too.
waiting for a tank in dungeon finder? i will just go bake a cake and do my taxes.
but if there are no tanks in the queue, everyone else has to wait for one.

the point is, there isnt a flaw in the queue system if not enough players are playing the content to make full battlegrounds or to have faster dungoen teams group up.

jazsper77

ayu_fever wrote: »

regardless of what matchmaking tool is in place, there have to actually be players engaged with the content.

for pvp, battlegrounds is just not something the vast majority of the players are playing.
there IS interest, and there are those who love it.
however, most of us just dont do pvp content at all.

we pve carebears get broken queues too.
waiting for a tank in dungeon finder? i will just go bake a cake and do my taxes.
but if there are no tanks in the queue, everyone else has to wait for one.

the point is, there isnt a flaw in the queue system if not enough players are playing the content to make full battlegrounds or to have faster dungoen teams group up.

Your actually trying to say there isn’t enough players interested in doing Dungeons (daily pledges) lolololol
Thanks for the laughs

jazsper77

I mean a never knew that PVP was a niche in ESO. I guess my usual que of over 200 in prime time must be wrong.
Lolololol

geonsocal

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

Or, Z0$ doesn't work at all.
https://www.zenimaxonline.com/careers
So many job openings.
Go ahead and apply, fix the game yourself!

damn, that is a lot of open job openings...hmmmmm, did they just fire/lay-off a bunch of folks - can't imagine they're expanding their staff just to improve existing game performance or to create new content...

Royaji

geonsocal wrote: »

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

Or, Z0$ doesn't work at all.
https://www.zenimaxonline.com/careers
So many job openings.
Go ahead and apply, fix the game yourself!

damn, that is a lot of open job openings...hmmmmm, did they just fire/lay-off a bunch of folks - can't imagine they're expanding their staff just to improve existing game performance or to create new content...

A number of those are for their new project which is not related to ESO.

Trancestor

It used to be when someone left a match there would be a replacement short after, now almost every single game 1 or 2 tards leave and you're stuck like that vs a premade. Everytime ZOS says they will fix something it gets worse, EVERY-SINGLE time.

NStunner

ayu_fever wrote: »

regardless of what matchmaking tool is in place, there have to actually be players engaged with the content.

for pvp, battlegrounds is just not something the vast majority of the players are playing.
there IS interest, and there are those who love it.
however, most of us just dont do pvp content at all.

we pve carebears get broken queues too.
waiting for a tank in dungeon finder? i will just go bake a cake and do my taxes.
but if there are no tanks in the queue, everyone else has to wait for one.

the point is, there isnt a flaw in the queue system if not enough players are playing the content to make full battlegrounds or to have faster dungoen teams group up.

If there are 9 players to play, you can't set it to 4/4/1, you have to set it to 3/3/3.

NStunner

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

Or, Z0$ doesn't work at all.
https://www.zenimaxonline.com/careers
So many job openings.
Go ahead and apply, fix the game yourself!

If a bridge is cracked, are you going to study civil engineering and repair it?

GhostofDatthaw

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

Or, Z0$ doesn't work at all.
https://www.zenimaxonline.com/careers
So many job openings.
Go ahead and apply, fix the game yourself!

Omg ..... So many vacancy.....

Bashev

MrGarlic wrote: »

But, if there's still only 10-11 people in the queue after 7 minutes.......

So maybe there just aren't enough people playing battlegrounds. Like Cyro, maybe it's dying and players have lost interest in it.

That is is so wrong. I had that impression that BGs are not so popular because I play only vs the same 30 players each night.

But once zos removed the MMR system for 2 weeks I saw probably thousands of new players. The queue was 5 seconds long and each game I had different opponents.

The problem is their match making system.

Qbiken

Bashev wrote: »

MrGarlic wrote: »

But, if there's still only 10-11 people in the queue after 7 minutes.......

So maybe there just aren't enough people playing battlegrounds. Like Cyro, maybe it's dying and players have lost interest in it.

That is is so wrong. I had that impression that BGs are not so popular because I play only vs the same 30 players each night.

But once zos removed the MMR system for 2 weeks I saw probably thousands of new players. The queue was 5 seconds long and each game I had different opponents.

The problem is their match making system.

I was going to write a post of my own regarding this but bashev basically said what I was thinking.

Easiest solution right now imo is to remove the mmr system so we're back to how it was about a month ago. Best time I've had in BG'S in a long time.

jcm2606

Qbiken wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

MrGarlic wrote: »

But, if there's still only 10-11 people in the queue after 7 minutes.......

So maybe there just aren't enough people playing battlegrounds. Like Cyro, maybe it's dying and players have lost interest in it.

That is is so wrong. I had that impression that BGs are not so popular because I play only vs the same 30 players each night.

But once zos removed the MMR system for 2 weeks I saw probably thousands of new players. The queue was 5 seconds long and each game I had different opponents.

The problem is their match making system.

I was going to write a post of my own regarding this but bashev basically said what I was thinking.

Easiest solution right now imo is to remove the mmr system so we're back to how it was about a month ago. Best time I've had in BG'S in a long time.

This is what they should be doing, regardless of any queuing issues. Current MMR is absolute garbage, and is in no way indicative of actual skill level. It needs to be replaced with a more robust metric that reads from multiple stats, to get a more complete idea of a player's skill level.

And until that happens, until the new metric is actually ready to deploy, current MMR needs to be removed, because it does way more harm than good. Makes queue times unbearable, severely limits the amount of players you can match against which basically kills match diversity, matches you with perpetually harder and harder opponents regardless of whether you're actually at their skill level, allows for matching against premades due to premades just having their MMR inflated to differentiate between them and solo queues, the list goes on.

Remove current MMR, work on a new solution that's just overall better, own up to your mistake. Constantly fiddling with numbers is not going to help if the actual equation is not correct.

NStunner

jcm2606 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

MrGarlic wrote: »

But, if there's still only 10-11 people in the queue after 7 minutes.......

So maybe there just aren't enough people playing battlegrounds. Like Cyro, maybe it's dying and players have lost interest in it.

That is is so wrong. I had that impression that BGs are not so popular because I play only vs the same 30 players each night.

But once zos removed the MMR system for 2 weeks I saw probably thousands of new players. The queue was 5 seconds long and each game I had different opponents.

The problem is their match making system.

I was going to write a post of my own regarding this but bashev basically said what I was thinking.

Easiest solution right now imo is to remove the mmr system so we're back to how it was about a month ago. Best time I've had in BG'S in a long time.

This is what they should be doing, regardless of any queuing issues. Current MMR is absolute garbage, and is in no way indicative of actual skill level. It needs to be replaced with a more robust metric that reads from multiple stats, to get a more complete idea of a player's skill level.

And until that happens, until the new metric is actually ready to deploy, current MMR needs to be removed, because it does way more harm than good. Makes queue times unbearable, severely limits the amount of players you can match against which basically kills match diversity, matches you with perpetually harder and harder opponents regardless of whether you're actually at their skill level, allows for matching against premades due to premades just having their MMR inflated to differentiate between them and solo queues, the list goes on.

Remove current MMR, work on a new solution that's just overall better, own up to your mistake. Constantly fiddling with numbers is not going to help if the actual equation is not correct.

i think, Gear setup and stats should also be considered when calculating MMR. The player Marks himself as a healer or tank in order to find an easy match, but but actually he's a bow ganker

Of course, there are many problems that need to be fixed before considering my proposal.

MajBludd

@quadraxis666 nailed it

Asardes

NStunner wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

MrGarlic wrote: »

But, if there's still only 10-11 people in the queue after 7 minutes.......

So maybe there just aren't enough people playing battlegrounds. Like Cyro, maybe it's dying and players have lost interest in it.

That is is so wrong. I had that impression that BGs are not so popular because I play only vs the same 30 players each night.

But once zos removed the MMR system for 2 weeks I saw probably thousands of new players. The queue was 5 seconds long and each game I had different opponents.

The problem is their match making system.

I was going to write a post of my own regarding this but bashev basically said what I was thinking.

Easiest solution right now imo is to remove the mmr system so we're back to how it was about a month ago. Best time I've had in BG'S in a long time.

This is what they should be doing, regardless of any queuing issues. Current MMR is absolute garbage, and is in no way indicative of actual skill level. It needs to be replaced with a more robust metric that reads from multiple stats, to get a more complete idea of a player's skill level.

And until that happens, until the new metric is actually ready to deploy, current MMR needs to be removed, because it does way more harm than good. Makes queue times unbearable, severely limits the amount of players you can match against which basically kills match diversity, matches you with perpetually harder and harder opponents regardless of whether you're actually at their skill level, allows for matching against premades due to premades just having their MMR inflated to differentiate between them and solo queues, the list goes on.

Remove current MMR, work on a new solution that's just overall better, own up to your mistake. Constantly fiddling with numbers is not going to help if the actual equation is not correct.

i think, Gear setup and stats should also be considered when calculating MMR. The player Marks himself as a healer or tank in order to find an easy match, but but actually he's a bow ganker

Of course, there are many problems that need to be fixed before considering my proposal.

Roles don't matter for BGs. If you open your group tab (P) you'll see roles are greyed out once the group is formed.

Darkmage1337

NStunner wrote: »

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

Or, Z0$ doesn't work at all.
https://www.zenimaxonline.com/careers
So many job openings.
Go ahead and apply, fix the game yourself!

If a bridge is cracked, are you going to study civil engineering and repair it?

No, I'd pilot a plane and fly over it.