Undaunted Event - Cancelled Permanently?

PossumPrince

Good evening everyone,
From reading the message, does this mean 2019's Undaunted Event is cancelled permanently? Or, are we not sure of yet?

starkerealm

We're not sure yet.

It seems likely that, no, it's not happening this year, and they'll roll out some other event in the near future to pick up the slack. But, for the moment, it's not happening.

Dusk_Coven

Don't rush them.
I think rushing them is what got us here to begin with.

Honestly I'd like to see them clear the slate till New Life. Which they can't possibly screw up because it ran smoothly last year.

starkerealm

Here's hoping they extend New Life out enough so it has time to breathe.

Grega

Speaking of rushing, the game has been out for over 5 years. Group finder in all of its versions and iterations never worked. Any event that included the finder always crashed the servers and forced them into issuing apology.

I don’t think community never even asked for such even let alone rush them to release it.

I hope it is canceled permanently, as in forever. Or at least for the life of the game/company. It is very apparent it just simply won’t work. They had more than half their staff changed over 5 years and still can’t figure out why it doesn’t work.

Kel

How easily we forget mid-year mayhem and how that was "postponed".

I'm guessing this will be postponed until next year as well...

Kuramas9tails

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Don't rush them.
I think rushing them is what got us here to begin with.

Honestly I'd like to see them clear the slate till New Life. Which they can't possibly screw up because it ran smoothly last year.

No one is rushing them. ZOS is doing this themselves.

You notice how every time they add a new DLC, they add an anniversary to it? That’s adding 2 more anniversary events a year. This isn’t including the events they did in the past like mid year mayhem, new life festival, etc.

All ZOS is doing is adding more on their own plate while most players would rather them slow down and focus on fixing issues.

starkerealm

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Don't rush them.
I think rushing them is what got us here to begin with.

Honestly I'd like to see them clear the slate till New Life. Which they can't possibly screw up because it ran smoothly last year.

No one is rushing them. ZOS is doing this themselves.

You notice how every time they add a new DLC, they add an anniversary to it? That’s adding 2 more anniversary events a year. This isn’t including the events they did in the past like mid year mayhem, new life festival, etc.

All ZOS is doing is adding more on their own plate while most players would rather them slow down and focus on fixing issues.

Or just slow down. The event schedule has been pretty unrelenting this year.

Aurie

As things stand, ZOS would do better to not have any events until they get the servers under control.

idk

starkerealm wrote: »

We're not sure yet.

It seems likely that, no, it's not happening this year, and they'll roll out some other event in the near future to pick up the slack. But, for the moment, it's not happening.

This.

Zos has no idea what they will do. Since their "fix" for the GF was a disaster I would expect they are literally going back to the drawing board to figure out a new solution.

We went about two years between attempts to fix the GF this time though Zos pretty much ignored the issue for the first year. Hopefully they will find the talent that can get the job done.

Reyleigh

I couldn't care less about the event itself, but they better bring the motifs back at the impresario during next event

Snipress

Sucks because those Opal sets were, like, really cool...and I was looking forward to getting some motif chapters for my crafter. :,(

Thorley23_ESO

Aurie wrote: »

As things stand, ZOS would do better to not have any events until they get the servers under control.

I don't think it's a server issue, it's a code issue, and yes, they need to start holding people responsible for this kind of thing, and bring in some coders who can fix the issue. Remember this game is 5 years old, I doubt it's pushing the limits of current server technology.

freespirit

Snipress wrote: »

Sucks because those Opal sets were, like, really cool...and I was looking forward to getting some motif chapters for my crafter. :,(

Really?? Cool?? Everything is subjective I suppose

FrancisCrawford

Is the problem still the Groupfinder, or is it some inexplicable barrier to scaling out dungeon instances themselves?

If there's anything that should have linear or near-linear scalability, it should be dungeons and arenas ...

Ostonoha

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Don't rush them.
I think rushing them is what got us here to begin with.

They never were rushed. They are just incompetent.

Let me say that I dont pve and the new items in the event i dont care for and I was never going to do the event. But even im annoyed that there is an issue with this event. This events failure and many more just like it shows the sheer incompetence of this company to get anything done. They have known group finder has been broken for a very long time now and in the last patch event attempted to fix the issues that group finder has. But to nobodies surprise its still broken. Just like how stuck in combat in pvp land has been a major issue that has yet to be fixed, even after a few supposed fixes. How can anyone actually trust that this company has the ability or desire to fix the issues it has when they cant even get simple things like being stuck in combat and group finder to work? People should be annoyed and voicing their frustrations. I would not be surprised if the undaunted event ends up on the shelf like mid year mayhem, never to be seen again.

starkerealm

Snipress wrote: »

Sucks because those Opal sets were, like, really cool...and I was looking forward to getting some motif chapters for my crafter. :,(

The opal pages were style pages. So, those are account wide.

The Refabricated Motif is still alive and well as far as I know.

Anotherone773

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Don't rush them.
I think rushing them is what got us here to begin with.

Honestly I'd like to see them clear the slate till New Life. Which they can't possibly screw up because it ran smoothly last year.

ZOS Reply: Challenge Accepted!!!

Major_Lag

I guess someone at ZOS finally figured out the logic...

Server overloaded because of event -> game is unplayable -> can't use the crown store (because can't even log in to access it!) -> cancel event -> profit (???????)

Ysbriel

Thankfully i had bought two opal pieces from the impresario and had one drop. But of course then all i was getting from boxes were crown repair kits and nothing else

Dusk_Coven

Ostonoha wrote: »

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Don't rush them.
I think rushing them is what got us here to begin with.

They never were rushed. They are just incompetent.

Of course they are. Numerous bugs all over the place throughout this year proves it.
But posts like this which basically demand they keep communicating won't magically make them more competent. Getting their act together will. Whether that means planning better, testing better, or calling in help -- all of which takes time. And probably decisions we don't want to hear because the backseat drivers on the forums will just complain harder.
Maybe it'd be better if they just made some really hard decisions like turn off the EU server until it's tested and fixed?

Bobby_V_Rockit

Maaaaaan am I glad I logged in at 6am (Australia time) and used last events tickets for the only 3 pieces I wanted. Phew!

Nemesis7884

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Don't rush them.
I think rushing them is what got us here to begin with.

Honestly I'd like to see them clear the slate till New Life. Which they can't possibly screw up because it ran smoothly last year.

yeah! i mean they only had 5 years...plus another 5 years development

Lord_Eomer

If group finder can never work better than:

"Allow ESO players to post group party (with information) and let other players join that (off course if party lead accepts)"

ForzaRammer

Just get rid of the stupid group finder and give us the event. I rather spend 5 min in zone to form groups than have group finder up and no event content.

Every event without that group finder works just fine. Every event with the finder server goes complete ***.

It doesn’t take a genius to know zos hardware can handle the event once they disable group finder, they did it 2 weeks ago it worked great.

ForzaRammer

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Is the problem still the Groupfinder, or is it some inexplicable barrier to scaling out dungeon instances themselves?

If there's anything that should have linear or near-linear scalability, it should be dungeons and arenas ...

It is the gf as always.

starkerealm

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Is the problem still the Groupfinder, or is it some inexplicable barrier to scaling out dungeon instances themselves?

If there's anything that should have linear or near-linear scalability, it should be dungeons and arenas ...

You mean, scale to the number of people in an encounter? You give up a lot of fine control over encounter design when you do that.

FrancisCrawford

starkerealm wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Is the problem still the Groupfinder, or is it some inexplicable barrier to scaling out dungeon instances themselves?

If there's anything that should have linear or near-linear scalability, it should be dungeons and arenas ...

You mean, scale to the number of people in an encounter? You give up a lot of fine control over encounter design when you do that.

No, I meant that in the technological sense. If you do 10X the computing work, you'd like it to require only 10X the computing resources. When that happens, you are said to have achieved "linear scability", which is pretty much the ideal case.

If ZoS could get near-linear scalability, there would be no legitimate business excuse for capacity problems. By way of contrast, if some element of the system is designed badly enough to, for n users, to require on the order of n^2 resources, it's commercially reasonable for them to limit service until they fix the bottleneck technologically.

Of the first few guys I can think of who used to be top writers about the area, the one going strongest at the moment appears to be Mark Callaghan, as in http://smalldatum.blogspot.com/ Or if you don't want to jump straight into the deep water, a good example for thinking about all this is sort algorithms, as in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorting_algorithm

FrancisCrawford

ForzaRammer wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Is the problem still the Groupfinder, or is it some inexplicable barrier to scaling out dungeon instances themselves?

If there's anything that should have linear or near-linear scalability, it should be dungeons and arenas ...

It is the gf as always.

Really? Other people have said that dungeons themselves were a major issue, much as Maelstrom Arena has been during some past events.

starkerealm

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Is the problem still the Groupfinder, or is it some inexplicable barrier to scaling out dungeon instances themselves?

If there's anything that should have linear or near-linear scalability, it should be dungeons and arenas ...

It is the gf as always.

Really? Other people have said that dungeons themselves were a major issue, much as Maelstrom Arena has been during some past events.

From my limited experience, the dungeons themselves worked fine. But, I was on PCNA, not EU, so if the wheels came off the wagon over there (which they seemed to), I wouldn't have seen it.

Vapirko

Man we told them for so many years, pump the breaks on new content and fix your ***. Now they can’t even run a simple event. I can’t believe people still spend money on this game.