Battlegrounds or Cyrodiil?

Cirantille

I most often see people saying that they only do battlegrounds, why? I never tried battlegrounds myself.
I checked the rules and all but I think I'd prefer larger scale more war-like encounters. Sieging castles, defending, or 20 people kiting each other followed by insane lag
Jk

But true, never considered trying battlegrounds. Is that easier or more difficult than cyrodiil?

Which one do you prefer? Why?

Disclaimer 1: Yes, Joe, I know you only do PvE, you hate PvP etc etc, just skip the poll

Disclaimer 2: Yes, no love for IC, I don't fancy sewers

redlink1979

I like them both tbh. Choosing one over the other, just depends on my mood.

Kel

Some people like the small scale, no-CP side of it.
Those players who know thier classes inside and out and can synergize with other members and bring a healer, probably find farming AP far superior in battlegrounds rather than Cyrodiil, where a win will give you, what's it, 13k AP...where it's extremely hard for a group of 4 to take a keep for 6k.

Many reasons, none of them wrong.

Cirantille

Kel wrote: »

Some people like the small scale, no-CP side of it.
Those players who know thier classes inside and out and can synergize with other members and bring a healer, probably find farming AP far superior in battlegrounds rather than Cyrodiil, where a win will give you, what's it, 13k AP...where it's extremely hard for a group of 4 to take a keep for 6k.

Many reasons, none of them wrong.

True, but I am sitting on top of millions of AP like many other players and I can not find anything to buy with AP.
Golden vendor is meh mostly, wish we had more options...

wild_kmacdb16_ESO

Battlegrounds

On paper Cyrodiil sounds more interesting but I prefer BG because

A) Your individual contribution generally counts for more

Not having to traverse large plots of empty land to find action

C) No CP so fights are not dragged out as long

D) Guaranteed consistent AP, vs a gamble in Cyrodiil

E) Can do PVE stuff/ crafting/ afk, whatever, in between matches


It’s not all roses in BG tho; facing off against the same 2 dozen people in the same handful of maps can get old quick.

caperb

Cyrodiil

I get bored pretty fast of the repetitive gameplay in battlegrounds

redlink1979

@Cirantille You can always trade AP for other currency/items if others are willing to trade.

Cirantille

wild_kmacdb16_ESO wrote: »

On paper Cyrodiil sounds more interesting but I prefer BG because

A) Your individual contribution counts for more

Not having to traverse large plots of empty land to find action

C) No CP so fights are not dragged out as long

D) Guaranteed consistent AP, vs a gamble in Cyrodiil

E) Can do PVE stuff/ crafting/ afk, whatever, in between matches

Huh, didnt know that there was a time break

Cyrodiil is a painful horse simulator sometimes.........

And if you are stuck in famous combat bug, it is a walking simulator!

5cript

Battlegrounds

Why I prefer BGs:

- Battlegrounds don't lag (usually).
- Battlegrounds are fast to enter and dont last very long
- There are no zergs running over you
- Queueing for Battlegrounds is easy, finding a proper group and do meaningful stuff in Cyro is hard alone.
- Its constant fighting, whereas Cyro is not.

Cirantille

redlink1979 wrote: »

@Cirantille You can always trade AP for other currency/items if others are willing to trade.

Good to know, I never thought anyone would be interested but happy to trade

Deathlord92

I enjoy both when cyrodiil actually works 😎

Araneae6537

Battlegrounds

Disclaimer: I’ve only briefly tried both so far, but I’ve played PvP matches in SWTOR and GW2 and WvW in GW2 seems similar to Cyrodiil in ESO.

I like the intensity of BG’s and getting right in the action. In Cyrodiil (or WvW in GW2), I’m supposed to do what and go where??? I finally get there and... die... or die on the way there... No big deal in BGs and you’re right back in the action. But Cyrodiil feels like it takes a lot of time to not accomplish anything. Maybe it could be fun with a group, going around and meeting objectives but clashing zergs doesn’t have any appeal to me.

Kel

Cirantille wrote: »

redlink1979 wrote: »

@Cirantille You can always trade AP for other currency/items if others are willing to trade.

Good to know, I never thought anyone would be interested but happy to trade

Most definitely.
Especially something like Mothers Sorrow, or Briarheart, or Spriggans.
You can make a small fortune.

Just make sure it's a tradable set. Hate to see you spend your AP on something that's bound.
Deadly Strike weapons, especially axes, are also a good investment for AP/gold exchange. I've seen a Deadly Axe, in Powered no less, going for 100k.

You can definitely make use of your AP!

Cirantille

Kel wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

redlink1979 wrote: »

@Cirantille You can always trade AP for other currency/items if others are willing to trade.

Good to know, I never thought anyone would be interested but happy to trade

Most definitely.
Especially something like Mothers Sorrow, or Briarheart, or Spriggans.
You can make a small fortune.

Just make sure it's a tradable set. Hate to see you spend your AP on something that's bound.
Deadly Strike weapons, especially axes, are also a good investment for AP/gold exchange. I've seen a Deadly Axe, in Powered no less, going for 100k.

You can definitely make use of your AP!

Where do you find these people? In zone chat or trading guilds? Will I just say something like WTT AP?
Sorry, new to AP business

PS. Also what is the normal amount of AP to pay for something, like gold items?

Kel

Cirantille wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

redlink1979 wrote: »

@Cirantille You can always trade AP for other currency/items if others are willing to trade.

Good to know, I never thought anyone would be interested but happy to trade

Most definitely.
Especially something like Mothers Sorrow, or Briarheart, or Spriggans.
You can make a small fortune.

Just make sure it's a tradable set. Hate to see you spend your AP on something that's bound.
Deadly Strike weapons, especially axes, are also a good investment for AP/gold exchange. I've seen a Deadly Axe, in Powered no less, going for 100k.

You can definitely make use of your AP!

Where do you find these people? In zone chat or trading guilds? Will I just say something like WTT AP?
Sorry, new to AP business

You can definitely sell jewelry over chat. Again, cant stress this enough, make sure it's a tradable set. Most effective way is to buy a few and advertise. If you're selling over chat, undercut. Not by a large amount. This is a personal pet peeve, but I just feel if you're selling over chat, you shouldn't be selling at the same price of a trader. Why wouldn't I just go to a trader, if that's the case...

But back on topic....Guild traders are also an option, slower, but more in return. I'd definitely sell weapons over a trader, but you can advertise anything over chat.

Edit: AP prices for items are usually set, but the amount of gold you ask for items are completely up to you.

Woodoochill

Battlegrounds

In cyro I have feeling like im just here to make the group ball look bigger. Only when playing healer it seems Iam actually helping.

In bg it doesnt matter what char I decide to play and it always feel like I can do something about my team winning the game.

In Cyro I capture keep, return 2 hours later and keep is gone and so is my satisfaction. In BG once you win - you win.

FearlessOne_2014

Neither, they both suck atm.

Cyrodiil has major performance issues, omni-blobs, and bad balance issues.

BGs has major issues with queuing into them, pre-mades vs PUGs, and bad balance issues.

At this point and time. If I want to PvP. I'll go PvP in a game that's completely designed for PvP. Not a MMO with PvP as it's back burner side gig. No thank you!

That being said, friends can from time to time, drag me into PvP with them for a time.

MipMip

Cyrodiil

I prefer Cyro because I prefer open world PvP and in particular medscale organized group PvP, but I also like BGs (only the Deathmatch mode), they can provide fun fights and you don't have to go far to find the fights

Bashev

Battlegrounds

I used to play in nonCP Cyro campaign. I was constantly wondering how ppl could play in the crowded CP campaigns where the lag was 200+ in prime time (every night when I play).

Once ZoS implemented BGs, I started playing BGs exclusively. At some point I had some nostalgia for Cyro and I went to try it but I was so spoiled by how responsive is the combat in the BGs that I was not able to play more than 1 hour in Cyro without getting super annoyed that my skills are constantly delayed even with 90 ping.

Now I just log in play 2-3 hours BGs and log out.

ketsparrowhawk

Battlegrounds

I do both but I do BG's way more because:

15-minute matches! If I only have 30 minutes or so.. I can probably squeeze in a couple of matches and get some good PVP before having to log off.

Instant action! No horse simulator trying to find fights. The match starts, and you're fighting within 10 seconds. If you die, you're back in the action in 20 seconds MAX.

As much as people like to complain about premades, the odds are 100000% better than they are in Cyro, where there's always a good chance of encountering a 20v1 situation. If you do get outnumbered, you at least have a chance to get out of it or survive it.

Scoring! I can clearly see how I stack up against other players. I got X kills, Y Deaths, Z assists. I can see how much damage/heals I did compared to everyone else. I can see how I've improved over time because my match scores are getting better, which is nice

PERFORMANCE! Doesn't matter what time of day or how many players are on, BG performance is smooth as butter. Cannot say the same for Cyro. Of course it would be even better if the Group Finder wasn't so borked.. but that's another discussion.

Kadoin

Cyrodiil

I get jumped by 8 people in BGs anyway, so I might as well be in Cyrodiil.

Oh and infinite load screen...can't forget that!

Exalted_Goose

Cyrodiil

I enjoy both but prefer Cyrodiil:
- I prefer Cyrodiil's large-scale battles, (when they don't lag to Oblivion or obliterate my FPS), especially when they last a long time. Brings back fond memories of 2014-'15 PlanetSide 2 when hundreds of players frequently converged onto a battlefield spanning kilometres, all contesting a single outpost. Huge sieges look cool, I find defending/attacking keeps equally fun when both forces are large and balanced, (despite the inevitable performance drops), and taking a Keep after a long siege feels rewarding.
- More community spirit. A lot of BG teams I get placed with are usually pretty silent; Cyrodiil /zone always has a sense of banter or familiarity, which I like a lot. Enemy Alliance-bashing is fun, and the vibe is generally fun while appropriately serious.
- I find BGs get repetitive quite quickly as they're far more structured. While the endless Keep-exchanging gameplay in Cyrodiil is at its core quite repetitive also, it feels more nuanced; population, map control, Alliance tactics etc., can have a huge influence on whether the outcome of your endeavours is successful. I also like the juggling of objectives, (Scrolls, important Keeps, pushing/preventing Emp, etc.), while - again - BGs have a much simpler objective which I get bored of quickly.
- I almost exclusively solo-queue in BGs, and I face a lot of very effective/possibly premade groups. I find it frustrating when the randoms I'm placed with either aren't as good, are less coordinated, or don't play the objective, (or when the MM makes 4v4v3 games). In Cyrodiil, there are always other options if you're not having a good time, whereas in BGs - if there's one/two coordinated, effective groups playing the objective while your's splits up and each member does their own thing - you're pretty much doomed.
- The feeling of fighting for a faction rather than just as part of a random team. I'm not a faction zealot by any means, but I like that facet of the lore/gameplay.

Aurielle

I enjoy(ed) both. Unfortunately, neither one is playable on console atm.

apri

Cyrodiil

Leaving technical difficulties on consoles out of consideration, all-in for Cyrodiil because:

• Cyrodiil is the most unique element of ESO in my book. Trials, dungeons, story, BG... all that can be found in so many other games but the PVP in Cyrodiil is exceptionally unique.
• It's more chilled. Queue up, play some, take your break whenever, play some more.
• No worry about the whole matchmaking process. Once queued, just play. No need to restart the matchmaker over and over.
• I like the size of Cyrodiil, I also enjoy what a lot of players hate: the riding from keep to keep.
• Cyrodiil has more to offer than just PVP. It has one of the most beautiful zones to enjoy, it has delves, quests, dolmens...
• Cyrodiil scales with your group size. You can solo or run with big groups to your liking.
• If you take it seriously, you can fight for many different goals: your alliance's points, emperorships, scrolls. You can be involved in pushing groups or groups of other purposes. You can cut off reinforcements aka ganking, play offensive or supportive. There can be a lot of tactics involved depending on how deep you wanna sink into it or you can just play pvp super casually and just do whatever you like to do.
• Sieges! lol

I just wish Cyrodiil would work flawlessly. Disconnects, bluescreens, tremendous lag, server desyncs and whatnot spoil the fun tremendously to the point of cba to play anymore.

svartorn

Cyrodiil

Last few times I've attempted a BG the loading screen was so long I timed out and disconnected. I think I'd probably enjoy it if it worked!

AMeanOne

Cyrodiil

Open world is much more fun to me than bgs

Canned_Apples

Cyrodiil would be great if No-CP was popular.

CP ruins pvp.

vamp_emily

Battle Grounds are fun. It is a good place to go if things are bad in PvP.

Fischblut

Battlegrounds

I actually prefer IC (chance to have duels is much higher there then anywhere else) and CP-enabled mode

I stopped going to Cyrodiil for actual PvP since Murkmire patch
Battlegrounds is my favorite mode after IC. If only we could have CP-enabled variant again, and could have option to get 1v1, 2v2 etc fights in Battlegrounds... :'(

Araneae6537

Battlegrounds

apri wrote: »

Leaving technical difficulties on consoles out of consideration, all-in for Cyrodiil because:

• Cyrodiil is the most unique element of ESO in my book. Trials, dungeons, story, BG... all that can be found in so many other games but the PVP in Cyrodiil is exceptionally unique.
• It's more chilled. Queue up, play some, take your break whenever, play some more.
• No worry about the whole matchmaking process. Once queued, just play. No need to restart the matchmaker over and over.
• I like the size of Cyrodiil, I also enjoy what a lot of players hate: the riding from keep to keep.
• Cyrodiil has more to offer than just PVP. It has one of the most beautiful zones to enjoy, it has delves, quests, dolmens...
• Cyrodiil scales with your group size. You can solo or run with big groups to your liking.
• If you take it seriously, you can fight for many different goals: your alliance's points, emperorships, scrolls. You can be involved in pushing groups or groups of other purposes. You can cut off reinforcements aka ganking, play offensive or supportive. There can be a lot of tactics involved depending on how deep you wanna sink into it or you can just play pvp super casually and just do whatever you like to do.
• Sieges! lol

I just wish Cyrodiil would work flawlessly. Disconnects, bluescreens, tremendous lag, server desyncs and whatnot spoil the fun tremendously to the point of cba to play anymore.

Actually, WvW in GW2 is almost identical from what I’ve heard (I’ve not played either much), but GW2 isn’t available on console.

I would enjoy the riding about if there was more to see and do in between. The part of the zone I saw was quite plain and boring IMHO and I assumed it had to be to accommodate when there are a large number of players. I much prefer forests and grottos — like Elden Root, playing that dungeon last night I was thinking how much I would like such a property to build in, but I digress...

Are there delves and quests one could complete by oneself in Cyrodiil and earn AP? Or do they all require groups? I very much enjoy group activities too, but to find a group much less keep up with them (mount speed < 30) is just a pain in Cyrodiil. Perhaps I should try it more but I have no idea and just get frustrated with it. Why, it’s even a pain to leave and I don’t know why I can’t just port out to one of my homes (controlling entry makes perfect sense but why exiting?).

apri

Cyrodiil

ErinM31 wrote: »

Are there delves and quests one could complete by oneself in Cyrodiil and earn AP? Or do they all require groups?

The delves are very solo-friendly, not hard at all. You can find skyshards and lorebooks in there, too, and it's rather rare to meet other people in most of them. This may depend on server activity obviously. Some guilds host events like Cyrodiil skyshards or boss achievement hunting.

The quests I have in mind are repeatable quests you find in towns. Those quests are perfectly solo-able. They grant next to other rewards and XP a tiny chunk of AP. It's really not much AP and if you plan on leveling up PVP skill lines, it would take very long doing that with quests unless the AP gain gets buffed at some point (which I don't think will happen anytime soon). However, the towns have changed a while ago and turned into flagged places you can conquer for your alliance and use as a spawn point. For this reason fights in towns can and will happen now unless the campaign is empty. This can quite likely make questing in the major towns Bruma, Cropsford and Vlastarus a bit more difficult depending on the general balance on your campaign's map but it can be done easily in Cheydinhal or Chorrol, for example. It's not the most fun quests on planet but probably the most chilled activity to do in Cyrodiil.