Magicka Sorcerer !!! For Next Patch!!!

TheHsN

Hello Everyone,

I play Magicka Sorce Since Beta everybody knows how much They Nerf Sorcerer. So Sorcerer Need Some Changes to feel Better in my opinion. I Also Main Stamblade since las 3 patches. Because how Magicka Sorcerer Nerfed to the ground. And ı do not know much about StamSorc I can only talk about Magicka Sorc...

Sustain,
Magicka Sorcerer has one of the worst sustain in the game. Dark Conversion is so Boring to play. U need to run a(way from the fight fix your self and get back... To me it is so boring and not reliable at all.. So Sorcerer need some passives for better Sustain. Or add some magicka return to some of skills. Maybe Power Surge

Own Spamable Skill,
Sorcerer need their own spamable skill like some other classes has. Such as (Templar: Jabs, NB: Surprise Attack, DK: Whip...ETC)

Crystal Fragment,
They need to add STUN Back to it to give more class identity to Magicka sorcerer. Streak is nice but not cast that fast and hard to use and costs much.

Self Heal,
Sorcerer Need some better self for players who doesnt like to play with PET(Personally I hate to play with Pets). Dark Conversion is not reliable and it is so Boring to play. Rapid Regen Also is not reliable Maybe they can change one morph to self heal only.. When i need it , it heals other Players. Personally i like Zos to Add to Assoult a Skill that act like Vigor but it consumes Magicka would be great.

I hope ZOS consider these changes on next Patch...

Kadoin

... As expected.

svartorn

Pity bump.

Stebarnz

L2P issue, magsorc is very strong this patch pvp and pve. Its called practice and learning, try it.

Luckylancer

ZoS buff and nerf sorcs at same time. People feel like they are nerfed because their play style is targeted but they adapt with new buff and stay OP. They are not 'cheat' they were once tho.

Edit: a grammar mistake

TheHsN

Stebarnz wrote: »

L2P issue, magsorc is very strong this patch pvp and pve. Its called practice and learning, try it.

I know How to play Very well... These are the actual Issues with MagSorcerer....I dont Ask for buff i ask for fixing things

Stebarnz

TheHsN wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

L2P issue, magsorc is very strong this patch pvp and pve. Its called practice and learning, try it.

I know How to play Very well... These are the actual Issues with MagSorcerer....I dont Ask for buff i ask for fixing things

your post doesn't ask for 'fixes' it asks for 'buffs'

You clearly do not know anything about this game because if your proposed 'buffs' went through mag sorc would be top of the pvp pile right away.

Think before you drink before you drive me up the wall!

ketsparrowhawk

TheHsN wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

L2P issue, magsorc is very strong this patch pvp and pve. Its called practice and learning, try it.

I know How to play Very well... These are the actual Issues with MagSorcerer....I dont Ask for buff i ask for fixing things

You are literally asking for buffs. Better sustain and better heals outside of pets would 100% be a buff.

Hang out in BG's or Cyro for half an hour and tell me Sorcs are struggling.

Joxer61

I know we get folks from all corners here...and English can be 2nd, 3rd language....but...


damn.....

so hard to follow a point being made when it isn't being made, or cant reach that end. and yea....what the others said pretty much...

TheHsN

Stebarnz wrote: »

L2P issue, magsorc is very strong this patch pvp and pve. Its called practice and learning, try it.

I know How to play Very well... These are the actual Issues with MagSorcerer....

Stebarnz

TheHsN wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

L2P issue, magsorc is very strong this patch pvp and pve. Its called practice and learning, try it.

I know How to play Very well... These are the actual Issues with MagSorcerer....

well you just repeated yourself! These are YOUR issues and its an L2P issue on YOUR part!

magsorc is in a good place this patch and im afraid you are just gonna have to up your game as your proposed 'buffs' will not happen.

My suggestion is ask someone who knows how to play for some advice or watch some streamer / youtube sorc player.

TheHsN

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

L2P issue, magsorc is very strong this patch pvp and pve. Its called practice and learning, try it.

I know How to play Very well... These are the actual Issues with MagSorcerer....I dont Ask for buff i ask for fixing things

You are literally asking for buffs. Better sustain and better heals outside of pets would 100% be a buff.

Hang out in BG's or Cyro for half an hour and tell me Sorcs are struggling.

I play it everyday... These are the Issues with sorc

logarifmik

As a man playing Sorcerer a lot I only say "yes" for Crystal Fragment stun.

TheHsN

Stebarnz wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

L2P issue, magsorc is very strong this patch pvp and pve. Its called practice and learning, try it.

I know How to play Very well... These are the actual Issues with MagSorcerer....

well you just repeated yourself! These are YOUR issues and its an L2P issue on YOUR part!

magsorc is in a good place this patch and im afraid you are just gonna have to up your game as your proposed 'buffs' will not happen.

My suggestion is ask someone who knows how to play for some advice or watch some streamer / youtube sorc player.

I am sure ı Play all classes better than you... These are all known issues with Sorcerer. I am in EU server. Pls give me ur ID and lets duel Together and lets see who is better player and has L2P issues...

Demra

TheHsN wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

L2P issue, magsorc is very strong this patch pvp and pve. Its called practice and learning, try it.

I know How to play Very well... These are the actual Issues with MagSorcerer....

well you just repeated yourself! These are YOUR issues and its an L2P issue on YOUR part!

magsorc is in a good place this patch and im afraid you are just gonna have to up your game as your proposed 'buffs' will not happen.

My suggestion is ask someone who knows how to play for some advice or watch some streamer / youtube sorc player.

I am sure ı Play all classes better than you... These are all known issues with Sorcerer. I am in EU server. Pls give me ur ID and lets duel Together and lets see who is better player and has L2P issues...

Just out of curiosity, will you be playing your magsorc during this duel to prove the point?

TheHsN

Demra wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

L2P issue, magsorc is very strong this patch pvp and pve. Its called practice and learning, try it.

I know How to play Very well... These are the actual Issues with MagSorcerer....

well you just repeated yourself! These are YOUR issues and its an L2P issue on YOUR part!

magsorc is in a good place this patch and im afraid you are just gonna have to up your game as your proposed 'buffs' will not happen.

My suggestion is ask someone who knows how to play for some advice or watch some streamer / youtube sorc player.

I am sure ı Play all classes better than you... These are all known issues with Sorcerer. I am in EU server. Pls give me ur ID and lets duel Together and lets see who is better player and has L2P issues...

Just out of curiosity, will you be playing your magsorc during this duel to prove the point?

Yes of course i can play what ever you chose for me to play. I just want to see if you are right or not

Malamar1229

Crystal Frags should DC your target from the game.

Shantu

If you have some crit in your build, keeping Hardened Ward up and Crit Surge running should give you all the survivability and heals you need. Critical Surge also gives you Major Sorcery, which means instead of Spell Power you can use a pot like Spell Crit which will will give you a 20% health recovery increase). Then there's always the Twilight Matriarch, though I'm not crazy about double barring an insta-heal. Dark Deal would be great if it was instant, but it's such a clumsy execution that it's not worth it.

I agree with you about a class spammable. There is nothing on the skill trees that come close to a decent spammable. Hell, unless you're using pets, all 3 skill lines are pretty worthless when it comes to DPS (apart from the Frags proc).

As to the stun in Frags, personally I can live without it, but I'm strictly PVE.

Right now, pet builds are pretty strong (not great, but decent). Which means they'll probably get the stupid nerf hammer in a few months.

wolfie1.0.

I dunno. My stam sorc is in a good place right now. So is my pet sorc, and my mag sorc, and my healer sorc, and my tank sorc, and my crafting sorc..

ketsparrowhawk

TheHsN wrote: »

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

L2P issue, magsorc is very strong this patch pvp and pve. Its called practice and learning, try it.

I know How to play Very well... These are the actual Issues with MagSorcerer....I dont Ask for buff i ask for fixing things

You are literally asking for buffs. Better sustain and better heals outside of pets would 100% be a buff.

Hang out in BG's or Cyro for half an hour and tell me Sorcs are struggling.

I play it everyday... These are the Issues with sorc

Hard to call them issues when sorcs are performing so well right now.. and always have, for that matter.

You don't need a spammable. You have at least 2 great spammables to choose from, both of which fit the Sorc theme perfectly. I wonder if magWardens would be willing to give up their class spammable if they could get a Mage's Wrath in it's place.. or something like Curse to pair up with their other hard-hitting ability. Or streak.

Sorc's self healing is also fine. Power Surge + Radiating (not rapid) Regen is borderline OP in BG's. My sorc typically pulls about 1m damage and 600k+ heals per match, without even really focusing on heals. And I do not slot pets. If you don't like Dark Deal (I don't either), the resto staff skill line has some great offerings.. or there's the good ol' double shield + crit surge which works well enough for many sorcs, especially if your damage is good. You have no shortage of good options.

StaticWave

1/ Dark Conversion being boring to you does not equate being a bad skill. In fact it's one of the best sustain skills in the game for 2 reasons:

• It returns your main resource at the cost of another resource. Compared to siphoning attacks and channeling focus, it's better by a mile.
• It also restores a good amount of crit-able HP along with your main resources on demand. Compared to siphoning attacks, it's far superior.

Use it after you get stunned and you have 5s to freely spam Dark Conversion.

2/ First of all, a class that has 2 burst skills do not need a class spammable, period. What are you going to do with a class spammable anyway? The only sensible reasoning I can think of for having a class spammable is weapon diversity. But it's not like you have a ton of weapon choices to pick from like stamina classes. You're tied to the Destro skill line, which already has a good spammable that is perfect for openworld PvP (Crushing shock that can interrupt at range). Besides, the entire class is not suitable for anything but ranged fights. Even if ZOS introduced a class spammable that allows magsorcs to use melee weapons like DW, they'd give up the light attack weaves which contribute A LOT to the total dps. Magsorcs do not need a class spammable. If you were talking about giving stamsorc a class spammable though, then I'd agree because stamsorcs only has 1 offensive class ability at the moment, which is bound armaments.

3/ I'm not against giving frag the stun back, but I don't understand why giving frag stun back would help its identity. What do you mean? If you meant the loss of frag stun also removed magsorc's identity, then that's just completely wrong. Streak IS magsorc's identity. You cannot ask for a better stun than streak. Not even frag can compare to streak. An AoE stun that partially acts as a gap closer, is unblockable and undodgable, and can also be used to escape is the best skill you can ask for. Crystal frag stun cannot compare to streak in anyway, except for maybe having longer range. Even then, players can simply block the frag or dodge it.

4/ Crit surge and dark deal are magsorcs' self heals. You have 1 burst heal that also returns magicka, and a heal over time that procs when you do damage. I don't know why magsorcs would need more heals. They simply do not have the bar slots for any extra skills. Giving a universal magicka vigor is a very bad idea because you would have a magicka class with great burst that is also hard to die, and you don't want that. Imagine fighting a magsorc that has 2 heals running, or a magplar with vigor and breath of life. You'd have people wanting it nerfed immediately.

TheHsN

These are my Opinions for Skills,

Dark Conversion,
Consumes Stamina means you are out of stamina most of time to Role Dodge and Break Free.
It is not instant so you are very vanurable while using it. and u need to spam it to regen your attributes.

Critical Surge.
Very nice buff To spell Damage but not a good skill to trust its heal if you dont have a good critical rate. it is not very reliable for Healing

Rapid Regen,
Very nice skill like vigor BUT!!! its one morph need to be only self healing cuz when u need it most it goes to other player and you die... And It destroys all BAR for just only one skill...

Matriarch,
It is nice skill BUT it takes 2 slots and I DO NOT LIKE TO PLAY WITH PET AT ALL.. If it takes only one slot that time it worth for me to use even i do not like Pets.

I do not think I am wrong about the skill why they do not work very well for sorc...

Hotdog_23

You need to play other classes if you think Magicka Sorcerer have has one of the worst sustain in the game. No one is doing great but I would say a MagDK and Magplar have more sustain issues.

TheHsN

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

You need to play other classes if you think Magicka Sorcerer have has one of the worst sustain in the game. No one is doing great but I would say a MagDK and Magplar have more sustain issues.

MAg DK is Better Than Sorc when it comes to sustain in my Play... Magplar is also Better when u wear heavy Armor... But yes their sustain also bad compared to Stamina

And why play another Classes while there is solving its Problems...I just want to share my Opinions here to bring better balance to class that i know all skills about it... I can be also wrong but i think i am not

WrathOfInnos

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

You need to play other classes if you think Magicka Sorcerer have has one of the worst sustain in the game. No one is doing great but I would say a MagDK and Magplar have more sustain issues.

All 3 are pretty bad for sustain right now. The only reason Sorc seems better than MagDK or Magplar is that Liquid/Flood has been nerfed to the point of effective deletion. Templars still use expensive Blazing Spear, DK’s still use expensive Eruption, but the Sorc class AoE wouldn't be worth slotting even if it cost 3k Magicka. At 5k it’s out of the question. Basically Magplar and DK sustain would feel better too if they had as few useful skills as Sorc, and just stood there spamming Ele Weapon for 80% of the rotation.

CGPsaint

I've mained a Mag Sorc since the beginning and I don't agree with anything that you've posted here.

TheHsN

CGPsaint wrote: »

I've mained a Mag Sorc since the beginning and I don't agree with anything that you've posted here.

I respect to that.. I play Sorc since Beta and i have 3 of them.. And that is also my opinions. I need see How you play with it to compare who is Right and who is Wrong.. There are very nice sorcs that i can accept their opinion Like Malcolm and Pelican But i do not know you at all...

ArchMikem

Ah yes, a PvP post.

StaticWave

TheHsN wrote: »

These are my Opinions for Skills,

Dark Conversion,
Consumes Stamina means you are out of stamina most of time to Role Dodge and Break Free.
It is not instant so you are very vanurable while using it. and u need to spam it to regen your attributes.

Critical Surge.
Very nice buff To spell Damage but not a good skill to trust its heal if you dont have a good critical rate. it is not very reliable for Healing

Rapid Regen,
Very nice skill like vigor BUT!!! its one morph need to be only self healing cuz when u need it most it goes to other player and you die... And It destroys all BAR for just only one skill...

Matriarch,
It is nice skill BUT it takes 2 slots and I DO NOT LIKE TO PLAY WITH PET AT ALL.. If it takes only one slot that time it worth for me to use even i do not like Pets.

I do not think I am wrong about the skill why they do not work very well for sorc...

1/ Dark Conversion costs 1.8k stamina, and 80% less if you have the unchained cp passive. You can’t run out of stamina unless you purposely do so. Most magsorcs run >800 stamina recovery to sustain their stamina pool. Some even use sword and shield back bar to heavy attack for stam. It’s not an instant cast, but it’s the only skill in the game that returns a huge amount of resources instantly and HP as a bonus. That alone makes it superior to other resource sustaining skills such as Siphoning attacks, channeling focus, blue betty netch, which do not return a 3.6k magicka per cast... It’s literally 1 second bro... you just need to cast it after you break free and they can do nothing to stop you from gaining magicka back.

2/ If you think rapid regen destroys all bar just for one skill then why do you think giving mag sorc a magicka version of vigor is any different? It would still require you to sacrifice a slot on your back bar. I don’t understand your logic here.

3/ Why do you not have good critical rate? Magsorc has access to both minor prophecy and major prophecy through the use of a spell crit pot. That alone is nearly 20% critical rating.. Combined with light armor you should have zero problems hitting 40% critical rating which is the perfect amount to proc crit surge. All you have to do is apply damage to multiple enemies to maximize the chance of proccing it. It also gives you Major Sorcery too, so even better

Kali_Despoine

w/ the change to power surge why does the sorc not have a AoE heal?
what does power surge tick off of? spammed self heal? pet heal? or the ulti?
it makes no sense to me that a healer build will have a max of 2 sorc abilities slotted on each bar.

I think the hardest nerf sorcs got hit buy was the 1000 ulti nerf bye bye elegant

Sorcs are the best executioners of the game by design. Implosion did take one in the knee
They had, at start, no need for some spammable as the tool kit could handle it.
This is changing and we know it. The vanillaing of all the abilities is what I see being done.

TheHsN

StaticWave wrote: »

TheHsN wrote: »

These are my Opinions for Skills,

Dark Conversion,
Consumes Stamina means you are out of stamina most of time to Role Dodge and Break Free.
It is not instant so you are very vanurable while using it. and u need to spam it to regen your attributes.

Critical Surge.
Very nice buff To spell Damage but not a good skill to trust its heal if you dont have a good critical rate. it is not very reliable for Healing

Rapid Regen,
Very nice skill like vigor BUT!!! its one morph need to be only self healing cuz when u need it most it goes to other player and you die... And It destroys all BAR for just only one skill...

Matriarch,
It is nice skill BUT it takes 2 slots and I DO NOT LIKE TO PLAY WITH PET AT ALL.. If it takes only one slot that time it worth for me to use even i do not like Pets.

I do not think I am wrong about the skill why they do not work very well for sorc...

1/ Dark Conversion costs 1.8k stamina, and 80% less if you have the unchained cp passive. You can’t run out of stamina unless you purposely do so. Most magsorcs run >800 stamina recovery to sustain their stamina pool. Some even use sword and shield back bar to heavy attack for stam. It’s not an instant cast, but it’s the only skill in the game that returns a huge amount of resources instantly and HP as a bonus. That alone makes it superior to other resource sustaining skills such as Siphoning attacks, channeling focus, blue betty netch, which do not return a 3.6k magicka per cast... It’s literally 1 second bro... you just need to cast it after you break free and they can do nothing to stop you from gaining magicka back.

2/ If you think rapid regen destroys all bar just for one skill then why do you think giving mag sorc a magicka version of vigor is any different? It would still require you to sacrifice a slot on your back bar. I don’t understand your logic here.

3/ Why do you not have good critical rate? Magsorc has access to both minor prophecy and major prophecy through the use of a spell crit pot. That alone is nearly 20% critical rating.. Combined with light armor you should have zero problems hitting 40% critical rating which is the perfect amount to proc crit surge. All you have to do is apply damage to multiple enemies to maximize the chance of proccing it. It also gives you Major Sorcery too, so even better

Rapid Regen is Resto Staff Skill So u need to destroy all Bar for one skill.. Vigor is Assoult line skill so you can only put it there and you can stll Keep using Destro staff for more dps and also you can have nice heal...... REad all the Comments Please before shot your answer...

Look at sorc builds even the best players make... If it is PVP build you dont have a good critical rate... Cuz the build doesnt allow it.... I would be vey happy if ou suggerst me to good one ...

And i would be happy while u are playing with magSorc and i play Stam NB to Duel How you are going to manage to kill!!!???