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8,5k pene
Att1Tude
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What's the logic behind this exact value? Or 9,5k pene. Where does this come from, how it is the most effective? Atleast Alcast builds seems to have this value, and i hear from many others you should aim as near to 8,5k as possible
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How-Much-Is-The-Fish Stamsorc
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JAwtunes✭✭✭✭8.5 pen guarantees an instant kill, I heard a streamer say it. Also, any more than 8.5 and youre risking over penetrating and going right through. These are just facts my friend.2 -
majorana✭✭Alcast builds are mainly for trials. In trials, the bosses have a resistance of 18.2k.
If you are in a well organized group then your tank and/or healer will apply debuffs to the boss which reduce its resistances, namely, major/minor fracture/breach+crusher enchant (infused or infused+torugs)+alkosh etc.
After these debuffs, the boss resistances are usually around 8-9k (the exact number will depend on your group). It is useless to have penetration higher than the resistances so most builds aim for this number.1 -
SirDopey✭✭✭✭✭
✭PVP - no such thing as too much penetration
PVE - 8.5 k is a good starting point, but you want your penetration to be at 18.2k on combat metrics on the majority of your big boss fights, depending on the group you run with this may be more or less than 8.5 for you.NA PC | AD
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Att1Tude✭✭✭Assume no1 runs that low resists in PvP than 8,5k. How much spelldmg you ened for an 'instakill' which class?
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How-Much-Is-The-Fish Stamsorc
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Att1Tude✭✭✭Also leave PvE out from this.PC-EU
How-Much-Is-The-Fish Stamsorc
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Alcast says 8.5k for pve.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
Skullstachio✭✭✭✭✭On a foe with 18200 resistances, as @majorana pointed out, all it takes is a well organised group that is capable of applying minor and major fracture/breach and alkosh, the amount of armor left on ‘em is an approximated 8590 resistances.
However, even after reaching said pen cap, there is still risk of over penetration if someone decides to bring a crusher enchantment.If you see me anywhere. Know that I am sitting back with a bag of popcorn, watching as ESO burns the goodwill of its player base with practices that only disrespects the players time like it did to me and many others...
If a game does not respect your time, best thing to do is move on from it and find something else.0 -
blee88✭✭
Alcast's PVP builds are questionable. He has a magplar build with 5 heavy, shackle and bright throat. 0 penetration. If you plug it into the build editor, it has an effective spell power of 4800 if I remember correctly... with minor vuln on the target. You won't be killing anything other than potatoes with that build.
In BGs, the build you linked is only 4884.
He hasn't done much PVP, if any at all since at least Elsweyr from what I've seen. His builds are outdated. Learn to use this yourself, https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildEditorEdited by blee88 on November 5, 2019 3:52PM1 -
kylewwefan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭An unbuffed medium armor wearer will commonly have around 14k resistance. So if you breech that, have sharp weapons, maybe the lover mundus and maybe a penetration set; you can maybe hit someone, stun them, close gap, get a few more hits and then execute real fast. Maybe.
Or they might be “good”; heal, buff up, dodge roll, ready to engage you in combat and now you have to rethink this fight.
You’re probably going to secure an easy kill more often than not, but this won’t work super good in High level battlegrounds.
Penetration goes a long way in PvP. Helps to identify squishy targets and focus them. Avoid tanks.0 -
Att1Tude✭✭✭Yeah i use uesp. We did some testing with 0 and 8000 penetration on target with hardcasted frags, damage dealt had only 200 difference on 8k pene. Target had 18k res. Right now feels pene is way overestimated, maybe use pene points in crit dmg/healing CP now? I mean literally the very moment, do you see much difference with 0 and 8,5k penetration? I do know UESP says effective spellpower goes up via pene but test it yourself in game and say is it true or false that pene doesn't count in this very patch. By target i mean a player in a duel, not old dummy
Edited by Att1Tude on November 5, 2019 5:02PMPC-EU
How-Much-Is-The-Fish Stamsorc
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blee88✭✭Yeah i use uesp. We did some testing with 0 and 8000 penetration on target with hardcasted frags, damage dealt had only 200 difference on 8k pene. Target had 18k res. Right now feels pene is way overestimated, maybe use pene points in crit dmg/healing CP now? I mean literally the very moment, do you see much difference with 0 and 8,5k penetration? I do know UESP says effective spellpower goes up via pene but test it yourself in game and say is it true or false that pene doesn't count in this very patch. By target i mean a player in a duel, not old dummy
Well, penetration is supposed to be the best stat for pure damage, because it doesn't help your heals or shields. Right now considering orc passives don't work in no-cp, I can't really trust the code that this game uses for damage anymore.
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