Should female in-game characters be treated like male ones?

Chicharron

Sylvermynx wrote: »

I'm not interested in a cultural basis poll. I play the game for fun. I play a vast majority of my 44 toons as female (as I am IRL). I play a few males as well. I more than appreciate that women are fully as able in this (and many other) games as males. The day I get locked out of playing the way a male does in a game is the day I quit throwing money at whatever game company chose that asinine option....

Corollary to that: I do NOT play games where the only character option is male. Period.

44 Characters... Time runs slower in your home?

I only play with 2 Characters and I lack time.

Sylvermynx

Oh, one other caveat: when I started playing RPGs (mid-70s with AD&D) I was constructing scenarios for my daughter and her friends from school. And we were ALL put off by the fact that female characters in that game's ruleset were treated differently than male characters.

I redid the rules for our group, so that both genders were equal where it counted. Gary Gygax told me later that I shouldn't have done that.... I told him that I'd bought all the game materials, so they were mine to do with as WE liked. Ed Greenwood agreed with me.

I enjoyed meeting Gygax, Greenwood, et al - but it really PO'd me that Gygax was so adamant about my little change to help my daughter and the girls feel just as capable as the guys. Remember, this was tabletop - as GM, it was up to me how things got handled. Of course, this was also a LOT of years back, and a lot of bridges under water as to RL roles and attitudes toward them, which have no place in games like RPGs and MMOs.

logarifmik

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

So I might be Captain Obvious here, but...

Women aren't children.

Women are adults, many of whom play video games, and many of whom enjoy playing characters who look like them without having those characters infantalized or excluded from PVP games.

There are other games if someone wants a male-only PVP environment where they can safely avoid ever having to fight female characters. (No one mention that there are women who play male characters in those games, okay?)

Yeah, they aren't. But you have to know there are some cultures which treat them almost equally. I'm not argueing as you all do here, just watching the poll results.

Comrade, I got to say, you test tolerance ability of some "highly civilized" people in a very peculiar way.

VaranisArano

On a more practical side, video game ratings skyrocket if you allow players to kill children.

Killing and robbing adults in video games, be they men, women, and the elderly, don't create the same spike in ratings.

So if you want a "cultural basis" answer, then no matter what your parents taught you, as a matter of rating video games we've decided we care a lot more about violence against children than non-gendered violence against adults - and the violence in ESO is all non-gendered and non-age specific.

It pays to remember that we're playing a video game.

VaranisArano

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Oh, one other caveat: when I started playing RPGs (mid-70s with AD&D) I was constructing scenarios for my daughter and her friends from school. And we were ALL put off by the fact that female characters in that game's ruleset were treated differently than male characters.

I redid the rules for our group, so that both genders were equal where it counted. Gary Gygax told me later that I shouldn't have done that.... I told him that I'd bought all the game materials, so they were mine to do with as WE liked. Ed Greenwood agreed with me.

I enjoyed meeting Gygax, Greenwood, et al - but it really PO'd me that Gygax was so adamant about my little change to help my daughter and the girls feel just as capable as the guys. Remember, this was tabletop - as GM, it was up to me how things got handled. Of course, this was also a LOT of years back, and a lot of bridges under water as to RL roles and attitudes toward them, which have no place in games like RPGs and MMOs.

Kudos to you! I play D&D, and the current equality of male and female characters is one of the things I love about it.

Sylvermynx

Chicharron wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

I'm not interested in a cultural basis poll. I play the game for fun. I play a vast majority of my 44 toons as female (as I am IRL). I play a few males as well. I more than appreciate that women are fully as able in this (and many other) games as males. The day I get locked out of playing the way a male does in a game is the day I quit throwing money at whatever game company chose that asinine option....

Corollary to that: I do NOT play games where the only character option is male. Period.

44 Characters... Time runs slower in your home?

I only play with 2 Characters and I lack time.

I'm retired. This game is my hobby. I can (and mostly do) play all day - like from around 7 am to 4 pm, taking time out for food, doing laundry etc. During the winter it's more than that, because it's damn cold here, snowing much of the time, and no one bothers us (thankfully.... this year I am SO DONE with summer and fall....*sigh*)

I generally do crafting on my lower levels every day. Then unless there's some event I need to run on the higher level toons, I pick one to go do fun stuff on. When I get to a stopping point on that one, I pick a different one. No one levels very fast, but I enjoy the entire process.

Hey, this is pikersville compared to WoW where I had 70 toons across 12 different servers....

Sanguinor2

Gender equality demands that we treat everyone the same regardless of gender so it would be discriminatory to not kill females the way you kill males.

jainiadral

Riding around Daggerfall, it's pretty clear that the Blades of Woe wielded by our fellow players are pretty gender-unbiased. I see no reason the rest of us shouldn't be as well in every context

NolaArch

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

I won't discuss it cause it's a poll, not a discussion. Press the buttons there and be less agrressive.

Just FYI, this is from your own post:
"Pick an option that suits your own views the most (not the ones you might have invented for your in-game characters) and feel free to share your opinion. Thank you!"

Hippie4927

#lurking until thread gets shut down

MasterSpatula

What century are you from? I'm confused.

Aigym_Hlervu

logarifmik wrote: »

Comrade, I got to say, you test tolerance ability of some "highly civilized" people in a very peculiar way.

In my days we used the word "friendship". "Tolerance" sounds like a curse, though it seemingly doesn't to those who invented it and propagate it world wide. Anyway, it's horses to courses. Times change and so do people and their views.

MasterSpatula wrote: »

What century are you from? I'm confused.

Maybe the 9th? But I guess it is hard to understand why exactly the 9th one for a man who thinks his antecedents who lived in previous centuries were less civilized than he is today. Press the buttons there and don't mock me, brainbox . It's a poll, not a discussion and especially not the one created to offend each other.

OneForSorrow

Actual lady who often plays ladies but sometimes not here with an actual response to an actual poll:

Do I go out and get coffee right now? I want some...but I'm also very lazy. Also, do I order Thai tonight or pizza?

Loralai_907

wtaf? lol

Next you are gonna say the ladies that play ESO shouldn't be allowed to play in Cyro and then I'm going to have to lop of your head

logarifmik

Cygemai_Hlervu wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

Comrade, I got to say, you test tolerance ability of some "highly civilized" people in a very peculiar way.

In my days we used the word "friendship". "Tolerance" sounds like a curse, though it seemingly doesn't to those who invented it and propagate it world wide. Anyway, it horses to courses. Times change and so do people and their views.

Agreed, I have my own doubts regarding this term. I'd say, "comradeship" is my personal choice.

UnseenCat

Female NPCs and player characters are just as involved in combat as the male ones, so yes, absolutely -- I engage all enemy combatants equally regardless of gender. Or race, for that matter. They're enemy combatants, simple as that. That's how the game handles them and that's how I play right there with it.

Now, if they're enemy Argoninan combatants, I'll target them first every time. Gotta get me some new luggage...

(Just kidding!)

JumpmanLane

If it aggros I kill it. Simple.

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