ESO Plus alterations

  • Yuffie91
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    jircris11 wrote: »
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    It's already expensive enough for the things we get tyvm.

    How so? We get over 15 usd in crowns alone, plus crafting bag, dlcs, bank space, minor xp and gold boost as well as a free item monthly. How is that too expensive considering we get OVER 15usd in value?

    Lots of bugs, and things in the crown store that should be free for subbed people
  • Avariprivateer
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    Davor wrote: »
    Raisin wrote: »
    That's 10k free crowns. The amount of money that would cost ZOS is insane.

    I respectfully disagree here. 10K crowns costs nothing to Zenimax. It's fake currency. Cost Zenimax nothing and if Zenimax puts in more crowns, there is no inflation and value of a crown goes down. So it doesn't matter. To give out that much or what ever amount is to get people on a monthly plan, or a more steady stream of revenue.


    To @Avariprivateer how is this stopping gambling? It adds more to it. I thought this post was to eliminate crates. Having MORE random loot boxes doesn't end gambling practices, it's the same old same old, maybe even getting more people hooked who wouldn't have before.

    I just say, make a great product and people will buy/pay for it. Since Zeinmax/Bethesda Online can't or won't make a great product and rely on gambling to make money, shame they work more on gambling than making a great awesome product.

    My attempt was to replicate this method. https://youtube.com/watch?v=O5Db650KDp0Clearly I wavered. An other option is crates are included with the sub and no store purchases but I've essentially been reminded that the ESO pro would need to cost $40+ a month in that case.
    Edited by Avariprivateer on October 11, 2019 7:53PM
  • Raisin
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    Davor wrote: »
    Raisin wrote: »
    That's 10k free crowns. The amount of money that would cost ZOS is insane.

    I respectfully disagree here. 10K crowns costs nothing to Zenimax. It's fake currency. Cost Zenimax nothing and if Zenimax puts in more crowns, there is no inflation and value of a crown goes down. So it doesn't matter. To give out that much or what ever amount is to get people on a monthly plan, or a more steady stream of revenue.

    Literally all you had to do was read my full post (not even the ones after, just the one you quoted), where I already address the point you make.... AND YET.
    Edited by Raisin on October 11, 2019 8:37PM
  • Davor
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    Raisin wrote: »
    Davor wrote: »
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    Sorry my apologies I had a massive brain fart and got overwhelmed. Not sure what I was trying to make in my point.
    Edited by Davor on October 11, 2019 8:53PM
    Not my quote but I love this saying

    "I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"
  • Raisin
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    Davor wrote: »
    Raisin wrote: »
    Davor wrote: »
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    That's 10k free crowns. The amount of money that would cost ZOS is insane.

    I respectfully disagree here. 10K crowns costs nothing to Zenimax. It's fake currency. Cost Zenimax nothing and if Zenimax puts in more crowns, there is no inflation and value of a crown goes down. So it doesn't matter. To give out that much or what ever amount is to get people on a monthly plan, or a more steady stream of revenue.

    Literally all you had to do was read my full post (not even the ones after, just the one you quoted), where I already address the point you make.... AND YET.

    Sorry, I got overwhelmed and I didn't know I kept replying to you. I thought you were someone else. My apologies.

    Didn't really seem like it since your response fit the part of my post you quoted, but np.
  • kargen27
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    kargen27 wrote: »
    This is a suggestion to Zenimax, it kill two birds with one stone, increasing revenue and ending gambling practices.

    No ESO Subscription __With ESO Plus Subscription __With ESO Pro Subscription
    Purchase DLC Packs____ Full Access to DLC game packs ____Full Access to DLC game packs plus Collector items
    No crafting storage bag____ Unlimited crafting storage ____Unlimited crafting storage and housing item storage
    No free crowns ____1650 crowns per month ____3650 crowns per month
    No extra bank space ____Double bank space ____Quadruple bank space
    No gold and experience bonus ____10% bonus ____10% bonus
    No crafting bonus ____10% crafting bonus ____10% crafting bonus
    No extra furnature space ____Double furnature and collections space in player housing ____Quadruple furnishings and collectibles in player housing
    No costume dyeing ____ Exclusive abilty to dye costumes ____Exclusive ability to dye costumes
    Transmutation crystal cap ____Double transmutation currency cap ____Quadrueple transmutation currency cap
    No exclusive deals ____Exclusive access to unique crown store deals ____Exclusive access to unique crown store deals
    No free crown crates ____30 free monthly crates ____60 free monthly crates
    No crown store price discount ____10% crown store price discount ____20% crown store price discount
    No free monthly pet ____No free monthly pet ____Free monthly pet
    No pvp island access ____PvP island access ____PvP island access
    No exclusive horse track house _____No exclusive horse track house ____Access to exclusive horse track house

    ESO Pro would hypothetically cost $19.99 or so a month.



    Your idea does nothing to end gambling practices unless ZoS simply quit selling crown crates. In fact it might make things worse for some people.
    My inspiration was Core Crystals from Nintendo's Xenoblade Chronicles 2, which come with the game but a few extras come with the expansion pass. I have made changes.

    You still haven't addressed the rest of my post.
    and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."
  • Avariprivateer
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    kargen27 wrote: »
    kargen27 wrote: »
    This is a suggestion to Zenimax, it kill two birds with one stone, increasing revenue and ending gambling practices.

    No ESO Subscription __With ESO Plus Subscription __With ESO Pro Subscription
    Purchase DLC Packs____ Full Access to DLC game packs ____Full Access to DLC game packs plus Collector items
    No crafting storage bag____ Unlimited crafting storage ____Unlimited crafting storage and housing item storage
    No free crowns ____1650 crowns per month ____3650 crowns per month
    No extra bank space ____Double bank space ____Quadruple bank space
    No gold and experience bonus ____10% bonus ____10% bonus
    No crafting bonus ____10% crafting bonus ____10% crafting bonus
    No extra furnature space ____Double furnature and collections space in player housing ____Quadruple furnishings and collectibles in player housing
    No costume dyeing ____ Exclusive abilty to dye costumes ____Exclusive ability to dye costumes
    Transmutation crystal cap ____Double transmutation currency cap ____Quadrueple transmutation currency cap
    No exclusive deals ____Exclusive access to unique crown store deals ____Exclusive access to unique crown store deals
    No free crown crates ____30 free monthly crates ____60 free monthly crates
    No crown store price discount ____10% crown store price discount ____20% crown store price discount
    No free monthly pet ____No free monthly pet ____Free monthly pet
    No pvp island access ____PvP island access ____PvP island access
    No exclusive horse track house _____No exclusive horse track house ____Access to exclusive horse track house

    ESO Pro would hypothetically cost $19.99 or so a month.



    Your idea does nothing to end gambling practices unless ZoS simply quit selling crown crates. In fact it might make things worse for some people.
    My inspiration was Core Crystals from Nintendo's Xenoblade Chronicles 2, which come with the game but a few extras come with the expansion pass. I have made changes.

    You still haven't addressed the rest of my post.
    My apologies, I made revisions solving most of your concerns. A large portion of Store pets are just recolors or downsized NPC animals so it made sense for them to be no higher quality for free. I lowered the number of crates, the PvP island has been standardized, crowns have been adjusted, housing items have been adjusted, crown store discounts have been lowered. The rest I will ruminate upon.

    Second revision as follows:
    No ESO Subscription __With ESO Plus Subscription __With ESO Pro Subscription
    Purchase DLC Packs____ Full Access to DLC game packs ____Full Access to DLC game packs plus Collector items
    No crafting storage bag____ Unlimited crafting storage ____Unlimited crafting storage
    No free crowns ____1650 crowns per month ____2650 crowns per month
    No extra bank space ____Double bank space ____Quadruple bank space
    No gold and experience bonus ____10% bonus ____10% bonus
    No crafting bonus ____10% crafting bonus ____10% crafting bonus
    No extra furniture space ____Double furniture and collections space in player housing ____Double furnishings and collectibles in player housing
    No costume dyeing ____ Exclusive ability to dye costumes ____Exclusive ability to dye costumes
    Transmutation crystal cap ____Double transmutation currency cap ____ Double transmutation currency cap
    No exclusive deals ____Exclusive access to unique crown store deals ____Exclusive access to unique crown store deals
    No free crown crates ____3 free monthly crates ____12 free monthly crates
    No crown store price discount ____No crown store price discount ____5% crown store price discount
    No free monthly pet ____No free monthly pet ____Free monthly pet
    PvP island access- public version ____PvP island access- public version ____PvP island access-public version and private editing
    No exclusive horse track ranch _____No exclusive horse track ranch ____Access to exclusive horse track ranch upon purchase
    No exclusive skins ____ No exclusive skins____Exclusive "obsidian " Maormer scale skin upon purchase
    No exclusive title ____No exclusive title_____ Exclusive Cash Cow title and pet

    Ultimately the question is to make crates subscription only and raise ESO Pro to $28-35 or bail on the idea altogether.
    Edited by Avariprivateer on October 11, 2019 9:28PM
  • Canned_Apples
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    Moar crowns for subs and 15% discount on everything.
  • unclesheosnephew
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    you forgot this part

    lots of bugs__ some bugs___ a little bit of bugs___almost no bugs
    lots of lag__some lag___ a little bit of lag___so lag free you remain emperor for the rest of the year
    customer service treats you like crap___treats you like scum___treats you like you owe them money___treats you like number
  • Avariprivateer
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    you forgot this part

    lots of bugs__ some bugs___ a little bit of bugs___almost no bugs
    lots of lag__some lag___ a little bit of lag___so lag free you remain emperor for the rest of the year
    customer service treats you like crap___treats you like scum___treats you like you owe them money___treats you like number

    I'm never against proper performance. That made me smile
    On that last note I suppose we're all a bunch villains from the Mos Eisley Cantina.

    treats you like a gonk droid___treats you like a Tatooine extra in 1977___treats you like Han Solo___treats you like a retired clone trooper with a limp, took a Droideka to the knee.
  • Raideen
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    you forgot this part

    lots of bugs__ some bugs___ a little bit of bugs___almost no bugs
    lots of lag__some lag___ a little bit of lag___so lag free you remain emperor for the rest of the year
    customer service treats you like crap___treats you like scum___treats you like you owe them money___treats you like number

    I'm never against proper performance. That made me smile
    On that last note I suppose we're all a bunch villains from the Mos Eisley Cantina.

    treats you like a gonk droid___treats you like a Tatooine extra in 1977___treats you like Han Solo___treats you like a retired clone trooper with a limp, took a Droideka to the knee.

    I do find it hilarious that Zo$ jumps to attention when somone wants to spend $100's of dollars with them. Over in the crown store thread..or was it housing...anyway, someone wanted a house that is no longer being sold. Its over 100 bucks and Zo$ made the exception for them.

    But request a QOL feature for 4 years and silence. Request to get mail to work (bugged since beta) and silence. LOL. We can say one thing about them, at least they have the priority of making money over anything else straight.

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    Davor wrote: »
    Raisin wrote: »
    That's 10k free crowns. The amount of money that would cost ZOS is insane.

    I respectfully disagree here. 10K crowns costs nothing to Zenimax. It's fake currency. Cost Zenimax nothing and if Zenimax puts in more crowns, there is no inflation and value of a crown goes down. So it doesn't matter. To give out that much or what ever amount is to get people on a monthly plan, or a more steady stream of revenue.


    To @Avariprivateer how is this stopping gambling? It adds more to it. I thought this post was to eliminate crates. Having MORE random loot boxes doesn't end gambling practices, it's the same old same old, maybe even getting more people hooked who wouldn't have before.

    I just say, make a great product and people will buy/pay for it. Since Zeinmax/Bethesda Online can't or won't make a great product and rely on gambling to make money, shame they work more on gambling than making a great awesome product.

    1. There is a cost to giving away that many crates with ESO+. The cost would be lost revenue and that does matter.

    2. Pretty much every major MMORPG has a cash shop so suggesting if they made a great people would pay for it does not hold up to what is happening in the market place as it is. Further, if you did not like the product then you would not be here to begin with so the comment seems rather fabricated to try to make a point.
  • bmnoble
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    This is a suggestion to Zenimax, it kill two birds with one stone, increasing revenue and ending gambling practices.

    No ESO Subscription __With ESO Plus Subscription __With ESO Pro Subscription
    Purchase DLC Packs____ Full Access to DLC game packs ____Full Access to DLC game packs plus Collector items
    No crafting storage bag____ Unlimited crafting storage ____Unlimited crafting storage and housing item storage
    No free crowns ____1650 crowns per month ____3650 crowns per month
    No extra bank space ____Double bank space ____Quadruple bank space
    No gold and experience bonus ____10% bonus ____10% bonus
    No crafting bonus ____10% crafting bonus ____10% crafting bonus
    No extra furnature space ____Double furnature and collections space in player housing ____Quadruple furnishings and collectibles in player housing
    No costume dyeing ____ Exclusive abilty to dye costumes ____Exclusive ability to dye costumes
    Transmutation crystal cap ____Double transmutation currency cap ____Quadrueple transmutation currency cap
    No exclusive deals ____Exclusive access to unique crown store deals ____Exclusive access to unique crown store deals
    No free crown crates ____30 free monthly crates ____60 free monthly crates
    No crown store price discount ____10% crown store price discount ____20% crown store price discount
    No free monthly pet ____No free monthly pet ____Free monthly pet
    No pvp island access ____PvP island access ____PvP island access
    No exclusive horse track house _____No exclusive horse track house ____Access to exclusive horse track house

    ESO Pro would hypothetically cost $19.99 or so a month.


    No to this tiered subscription crap, your either free to play or a subscriber with ESO plus that is it.

    If they added another tier of Sub they would water down the current ESO plus to try to force people to sub for the higher one.

    -The free crown crates your dreaming of will never happen in the quantities you suggest, its like handing you an extra large quantity of crowns, you might get a single crate but not so many that it outweighs the number of free crowns you get each month, they want you to waste your money on the crates in addition to the sub.

    Take all your ideas for ESO plus pro and merge them with the current subscription, for me though not a single one of your suggestions would cause me to upgrade my current subscription to a higher tier rate.


    Some things I would not mind being added to ESO plus:

    -Double transmutation stones drop rate, for PVE content, (PVP players get them a lot more often)

    -Being able to store crafting surveys in the craft bag.

    -All crown store consumable stuff you get for free, being bound and none of it character bound, including level up rewards.

    -Being able to do mount training every 8hrs and spend 3 points each day instead of one.

    -A set amount of monthly Gems for those that have no interest in the RNG aspect of crown crates.

    -Being able to create a list of houses are friends guild mates can visit rather than only the Primary residence without having to invite manually.



  • Goregrinder
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    Davor wrote: »
    Raisin wrote: »
    That's 10k free crowns. The amount of money that would cost ZOS is insane.

    I respectfully disagree here. 10K crowns costs nothing to Zenimax. It's fake currency. Cost Zenimax nothing and if Zenimax puts in more crowns, there is no inflation and value of a crown goes down. So it doesn't matter. To give out that much or what ever amount is to get people on a monthly plan, or a more steady stream of revenue.


    To @Avariprivateer how is this stopping gambling? It adds more to it. I thought this post was to eliminate crates. Having MORE random loot boxes doesn't end gambling practices, it's the same old same old, maybe even getting more people hooked who wouldn't have before.

    I just say, make a great product and people will buy/pay for it. Since Zeinmax/Bethesda Online can't or won't make a great product and rely on gambling to make money, shame they work more on gambling than making a great awesome product.

    A service is not a tangible item, which is what they are selling. A service, that has a monetary value attached to it.
  • kargen27
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    kargen27 wrote: »
    kargen27 wrote: »
    This is a suggestion to Zenimax, it kill two birds with one stone, increasing revenue and ending gambling practices.

    No ESO Subscription __With ESO Plus Subscription __With ESO Pro Subscription
    Purchase DLC Packs____ Full Access to DLC game packs ____Full Access to DLC game packs plus Collector items
    No crafting storage bag____ Unlimited crafting storage ____Unlimited crafting storage and housing item storage
    No free crowns ____1650 crowns per month ____3650 crowns per month
    No extra bank space ____Double bank space ____Quadruple bank space
    No gold and experience bonus ____10% bonus ____10% bonus
    No crafting bonus ____10% crafting bonus ____10% crafting bonus
    No extra furnature space ____Double furnature and collections space in player housing ____Quadruple furnishings and collectibles in player housing
    No costume dyeing ____ Exclusive abilty to dye costumes ____Exclusive ability to dye costumes
    Transmutation crystal cap ____Double transmutation currency cap ____Quadrueple transmutation currency cap
    No exclusive deals ____Exclusive access to unique crown store deals ____Exclusive access to unique crown store deals
    No free crown crates ____30 free monthly crates ____60 free monthly crates
    No crown store price discount ____10% crown store price discount ____20% crown store price discount
    No free monthly pet ____No free monthly pet ____Free monthly pet
    No pvp island access ____PvP island access ____PvP island access
    No exclusive horse track house _____No exclusive horse track house ____Access to exclusive horse track house

    ESO Pro would hypothetically cost $19.99 or so a month.



    Your idea does nothing to end gambling practices unless ZoS simply quit selling crown crates. In fact it might make things worse for some people.
    My inspiration was Core Crystals from Nintendo's Xenoblade Chronicles 2, which come with the game but a few extras come with the expansion pass. I have made changes.

    You still haven't addressed the rest of my post.
    My apologies, I made revisions solving most of your concerns. A large portion of Store pets are just recolors or downsized NPC animals so it made sense for them to be no higher quality for free. I lowered the number of crates, the PvP island has been standardized, crowns have been adjusted, housing items have been adjusted, crown store discounts have been lowered. The rest I will ruminate upon.

    Second revision as follows:
    No ESO Subscription __With ESO Plus Subscription __With ESO Pro Subscription
    Purchase DLC Packs____ Full Access to DLC game packs ____Full Access to DLC game packs plus Collector items
    No crafting storage bag____ Unlimited crafting storage ____Unlimited crafting storage
    No free crowns ____1650 crowns per month ____2650 crowns per month
    No extra bank space ____Double bank space ____Quadruple bank space
    No gold and experience bonus ____10% bonus ____10% bonus
    No crafting bonus ____10% crafting bonus ____10% crafting bonus
    No extra furniture space ____Double furniture and collections space in player housing ____Double furnishings and collectibles in player housing
    No costume dyeing ____ Exclusive ability to dye costumes ____Exclusive ability to dye costumes
    Transmutation crystal cap ____Double transmutation currency cap ____ Double transmutation currency cap
    No exclusive deals ____Exclusive access to unique crown store deals ____Exclusive access to unique crown store deals
    No free crown crates ____3 free monthly crates ____12 free monthly crates
    No crown store price discount ____No crown store price discount ____5% crown store price discount
    No free monthly pet ____No free monthly pet ____Free monthly pet
    PvP island access- public version ____PvP island access- public version ____PvP island access-public version and private editing
    No exclusive horse track ranch _____No exclusive horse track ranch ____Access to exclusive horse track ranch upon purchase
    No exclusive skins ____ No exclusive skins____Exclusive "obsidian " Maormer scale skin upon purchase
    No exclusive title ____No exclusive title_____ Exclusive Cash Cow title and pet

    Ultimately the question is to make crates subscription only and raise ESO Pro to $28-35 or bail on the idea altogether.

    ZoS has said they can't increase furniture limits. Even if they can they will not announce it then put it behind a paywall. That would cause a mass exodus from the game.

    PvP would be damaged by adding a new zone as the zones we have are underpopulated already. I'm not sure what you mean by private editing for the upper tier subbing. If it is an exclusive instance of the zone that will again incite a riot and farther dilute the PvP population.

    The problem with the pet is now it would be something they are paying for and they would need to put out a new one each month. After a month or two I doubt this would any longer be an incentive to pay the higher fee.

    ZoS isn't going to give crowns and crates. At least not in the numbers listed here for the assumed price of subscribing. There is little incentive for them to do so.

    I didn't mention it earlier but others have. Locking that skin behind a subscription would cause riots here in the forums and maybe even out in the streets. There would be some players who would be willing to subscribe for one month to get the skin but those same players (and more) would purchase it from the crown store if they could. ZoS makes more putting that item in the store rather than behind a sub.
    Same with the title and pet. A few players may be willing to subscribe for one month if the pet was really nice. Other than that I doubt it would get much interest.

    and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."
  • Goregrinder
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    Raideen wrote: »
    you forgot this part

    lots of bugs__ some bugs___ a little bit of bugs___almost no bugs
    lots of lag__some lag___ a little bit of lag___so lag free you remain emperor for the rest of the year
    customer service treats you like crap___treats you like scum___treats you like you owe them money___treats you like number

    I'm never against proper performance. That made me smile
    On that last note I suppose we're all a bunch villains from the Mos Eisley Cantina.

    treats you like a gonk droid___treats you like a Tatooine extra in 1977___treats you like Han Solo___treats you like a retired clone trooper with a limp, took a Droideka to the knee.

    I do find it hilarious that Zo$ jumps to attention when somone wants to spend $100's of dollars with them. Over in the crown store thread..or was it housing...anyway, someone wanted a house that is no longer being sold. Its over 100 bucks and Zo$ made the exception for them.

    But request a QOL feature for 4 years and silence. Request to get mail to work (bugged since beta) and silence. LOL. We can say one thing about them, at least they have the priority of making money over anything else straight.

    Because we're whales. Some company's (Zynga for instance) have a separate customer service queue just for us. I am willing to bet that ZOS does something similar for people who spend over a certain amount of $$ per month on the game. It would make sense, since that's who is paying their bills, not little billy who buys the game, and ESO plus for a few months then let's his sub end.
  • Avariprivateer
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    kargen27 wrote: »
    kargen27 wrote: »
    kargen27 wrote: »
    This is a suggestion to Zenimax, it kill two birds with one stone, increasing revenue and ending gambling practices.

    No ESO Subscription __With ESO Plus Subscription __With ESO Pro Subscription
    Purchase DLC Packs____ Full Access to DLC game packs ____Full Access to DLC game packs plus Collector items
    No crafting storage bag____ Unlimited crafting storage ____Unlimited crafting storage and housing item storage
    No free crowns ____1650 crowns per month ____3650 crowns per month
    No extra bank space ____Double bank space ____Quadruple bank space
    No gold and experience bonus ____10% bonus ____10% bonus
    No crafting bonus ____10% crafting bonus ____10% crafting bonus
    No extra furnature space ____Double furnature and collections space in player housing ____Quadruple furnishings and collectibles in player housing
    No costume dyeing ____ Exclusive abilty to dye costumes ____Exclusive ability to dye costumes
    Transmutation crystal cap ____Double transmutation currency cap ____Quadrueple transmutation currency cap
    No exclusive deals ____Exclusive access to unique crown store deals ____Exclusive access to unique crown store deals
    No free crown crates ____30 free monthly crates ____60 free monthly crates
    No crown store price discount ____10% crown store price discount ____20% crown store price discount
    No free monthly pet ____No free monthly pet ____Free monthly pet
    No pvp island access ____PvP island access ____PvP island access
    No exclusive horse track house _____No exclusive horse track house ____Access to exclusive horse track house

    ESO Pro would hypothetically cost $19.99 or so a month.



    Your idea does nothing to end gambling practices unless ZoS simply quit selling crown crates. In fact it might make things worse for some people.
    My inspiration was Core Crystals from Nintendo's Xenoblade Chronicles 2, which come with the game but a few extras come with the expansion pass. I have made changes.

    You still haven't addressed the rest of my post.
    My apologies, I made revisions solving most of your concerns. A large portion of Store pets are just recolors or downsized NPC animals so it made sense for them to be no higher quality for free. I lowered the number of crates, the PvP island has been standardized, crowns have been adjusted, housing items have been adjusted, crown store discounts have been lowered. The rest I will ruminate upon.

    Second revision as follows:
    No ESO Subscription __With ESO Plus Subscription __With ESO Pro Subscription
    Purchase DLC Packs____ Full Access to DLC game packs ____Full Access to DLC game packs plus Collector items
    No crafting storage bag____ Unlimited crafting storage ____Unlimited crafting storage
    No free crowns ____1650 crowns per month ____2650 crowns per month
    No extra bank space ____Double bank space ____Quadruple bank space
    No gold and experience bonus ____10% bonus ____10% bonus
    No crafting bonus ____10% crafting bonus ____10% crafting bonus
    No extra furniture space ____Double furniture and collections space in player housing ____Double furnishings and collectibles in player housing
    No costume dyeing ____ Exclusive ability to dye costumes ____Exclusive ability to dye costumes
    Transmutation crystal cap ____Double transmutation currency cap ____ Double transmutation currency cap
    No exclusive deals ____Exclusive access to unique crown store deals ____Exclusive access to unique crown store deals
    No free crown crates ____3 free monthly crates ____12 free monthly crates
    No crown store price discount ____No crown store price discount ____5% crown store price discount
    No free monthly pet ____No free monthly pet ____Free monthly pet
    PvP island access- public version ____PvP island access- public version ____PvP island access-public version and private editing
    No exclusive horse track ranch _____No exclusive horse track ranch ____Access to exclusive horse track ranch upon purchase
    No exclusive skins ____ No exclusive skins____Exclusive "obsidian " Maormer scale skin upon purchase
    No exclusive title ____No exclusive title_____ Exclusive Cash Cow title and pet

    Ultimately the question is to make crates subscription only and raise ESO Pro to $28-35 or bail on the idea altogether.

    ZoS has said they can't increase furniture limits. Even if they can they will not announce it then put it behind a paywall. That would cause a mass exodus from the game.

    PvP would be damaged by adding a new zone as the zones we have are underpopulated already. I'm not sure what you mean by private editing for the upper tier subbing. If it is an exclusive instance of the zone that will again incite a riot and farther dilute the PvP population.

    The problem with the pet is now it would be something they are paying for and they would need to put out a new one each month. After a month or two I doubt this would any longer be an incentive to pay the higher fee.

    ZoS isn't going to give crowns and crates. At least not in the numbers listed here for the assumed price of subscribing. There is little incentive for them to do so.

    I didn't mention it earlier but others have. Locking that skin behind a subscription would cause riots here in the forums and maybe even out in the streets. There would be some players who would be willing to subscribe for one month to get the skin but those same players (and more) would purchase it from the crown store if they could. ZoS makes more putting that item in the store rather than behind a sub.
    Same with the title and pet. A few players may be willing to subscribe for one month if the pet was really nice. Other than that I doubt it would get much interest.

    I was referring to the double limit that already exists. https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/esoplus
    Edited by Avariprivateer on October 12, 2019 1:12AM
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