Please nerf Snipe, Cloak, Bosmer and Khajiit.

Royalthought

technohic wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

All are fine, but cloak should not give immunity to most attacks when the NB is detected by pots, magelight, etc. Otherwise; most NBs are just a nuisance these days

Well...
It should.
It negates single target effects cuz... duh
It nullifies dots. It’s like a no temporary purge.

It’s a no class identity that’s not op. Every build can counter it in 1 way or another, unlike wings pre elsweyr, so it’s not op. No need for nerf.
It takes a lot of skill to cloak in and out of players without being caught out.
(Just has to make it clear)
The OP is just a salty zergling who got sniped by a ganker (probably me)

And detect pots allow u to see a player. What part of that means that they take dot dmg?
U can then hit them w single target skills to pull them out of cloak

Well you cant say detect pots, magelight and all that lets you see them is a counter if you still cant really hit them.

Out of curiosity, while debating the abundant options that we have available to counter cloak, what options do nightblades have to counter other classes?

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

I've already posted videos from my play on both my Magicka and Stamina Nightblades, why cloak is overloaded and needs to be rebalanced. Anyone who says cloak is fine. Is just silly and gives no cares to balance. Cloak does too much for how low it cost compared to other abilities that have had their cost increased. Streak and shields have been nerfed so badly. Yet a ability that gives way more defensive and offensive power has not.

I believe cloak should either get the streak treatment. Or ZOS should undo the nerfs to shields, streak, and dodge rolls. Because these abilities offers less than what cloak offers.

Cloak needs to be rebalanced, and that's it.

Nightblades have been nerfed more than any other class in game for multiple consecutive patches. They are literally a liability in high level matches.

If you are struggling against them, there's a good chance that the necessary changes have to do with your build. Not ZoS.

What class/build are you unable to counter cloak with?

Dalsinthus

J2JMC wrote: »

Requesting nerfs to khajits and bosmers while orcs and bretons exist is peak forum trolling tbh.

This. So many threads are like this lately - nerf the things I don't like. No description of why something is a problem, just nerf it because "Title" or "for RP reasons." Other than the occasional health desync issue, snipe is fine. Cloak is definitely fine, use a detect pot or one of the readily available counters. NBs are the easiest kills in pvp. Bosmer and khajiit could both use a small buff.

XerShade

Oh sorry, are people complaining that the class who's identity is KILLING PEOPLE is good at killing people?

FearlessOne_2014

J2JMC wrote: »

Requesting nerfs to khajits and bosmers while orcs and bretons exist is peak forum trolling tbh.

I highly agree with you. However bretons are only a top tier race because without them sustaining magicka specs becomes unbearable. Soon as sustain for magicka specs gets better. Bretons will go back to being a sup optim

Royalthought wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

All are fine, but cloak should not give immunity to most attacks when the NB is detected by pots, magelight, etc. Otherwise; most NBs are just a nuisance these days

Well...
It should.
It negates single target effects cuz... duh
It nullifies dots. It’s like a no temporary purge.

It’s a no class identity that’s not op. Every build can counter it in 1 way or another, unlike wings pre elsweyr, so it’s not op. No need for nerf.
It takes a lot of skill to cloak in and out of players without being caught out.
(Just has to make it clear)
The OP is just a salty zergling who got sniped by a ganker (probably me)

And detect pots allow u to see a player. What part of that means that they take dot dmg?
U can then hit them w single target skills to pull them out of cloak

Well you cant say detect pots, magelight and all that lets you see them is a counter if you still cant really hit them.

Out of curiosity, while debating the abundant options that we have available to counter cloak, what options do nightblades have to counter other classes?

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

I've already posted videos from my play on both my Magicka and Stamina Nightblades, why cloak is overloaded and needs to be rebalanced. Anyone who says cloak is fine. Is just silly and gives no cares to balance. Cloak does too much for how low it cost compared to other abilities that have had their cost increased. Streak and shields have been nerfed so badly. Yet a ability that gives way more defensive and offensive power has not.

I believe cloak should either get the streak treatment. Or ZOS should undo the nerfs to shields, streak, and dodge rolls. Because these abilities offers less than what cloak offers.

Cloak needs to be rebalanced, and that's it.

Nightblades have been nerfed more than any other class in game for multiple consecutive patches. They are literally a liability in high level matches.

If you are struggling against them, there's a good chance that the necessary changes have to do with your build. Not ZoS.

What class/build are you unable to counter cloak with?

Obviously you didn't read my post. Me personally, don't struggle against Nightblades outside those Super Nightblade Gods that don't take damage but can one shot whole teams in BGs. I clearly stated from my personally expereience playing on both my Magicka and Stamina Nightblades. Cloak is currently overtuned and overloaded compared to other defensive and offensive options that have been harshly nerfed. There is a difference. Don't believe me? I've posted videos of my performance on my two Nightblades on these forums. Was only met with more strawman comments.

Thanatos_inside

nb

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

I've already posted videos from my play on both my Magicka and Stamina Nightblades, why cloak is overloaded and needs to be rebalanced. Anyone who says cloak is fine. Is just silly and gives no cares to balance. Cloak does too much for how low it cost compared to other abilities that have had their cost increased. Streak and shields have been nerfed so badly. Yet a ability that gives way more defensive and offensive power has not.

I believe cloak should either get the streak treatment. Or ZOS should undo the nerfs to shields, streak, and dodge rolls. Because these abilities offers less than what cloak offers.

Cloak needs to be rebalanced, and that's it.

Everyone who says cloak op is just silly. If u have problems with nb its l2p probem.

technohic

Royalthought wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

All are fine, but cloak should not give immunity to most attacks when the NB is detected by pots, magelight, etc. Otherwise; most NBs are just a nuisance these days

Well...
It should.
It negates single target effects cuz... duh
It nullifies dots. It’s like a no temporary purge.

It’s a no class identity that’s not op. Every build can counter it in 1 way or another, unlike wings pre elsweyr, so it’s not op. No need for nerf.
It takes a lot of skill to cloak in and out of players without being caught out.
(Just has to make it clear)
The OP is just a salty zergling who got sniped by a ganker (probably me)

And detect pots allow u to see a player. What part of that means that they take dot dmg?
U can then hit them w single target skills to pull them out of cloak

Well you cant say detect pots, magelight and all that lets you see them is a counter if you still cant really hit them.

Out of curiosity, while debating the abundant options that we have available to counter cloak, what options do nightblades have to counter other classes?

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

I've already posted videos from my play on both my Magicka and Stamina Nightblades, why cloak is overloaded and needs to be rebalanced. Anyone who says cloak is fine. Is just silly and gives no cares to balance. Cloak does too much for how low it cost compared to other abilities that have had their cost increased. Streak and shields have been nerfed so badly. Yet a ability that gives way more defensive and offensive power has not.

I believe cloak should either get the streak treatment. Or ZOS should undo the nerfs to shields, streak, and dodge rolls. Because these abilities offers less than what cloak offers.

Cloak needs to be rebalanced, and that's it.

Nightblades have been nerfed more than any other class in game for multiple consecutive patches. They are literally a liability in high level matches.

If you are struggling against them, there's a good chance that the necessary changes have to do with your build. Not ZoS.

What class/build are you unable to counter cloak with?

What other class calls for a ability or consumable that pretty much only counters them?

Look. I don't really care as NBs do become just a nuisance once you get decent at the game and you're right. NBs have been nerfed and really; have never been great in high level group play. It's because you cant expect to be the standout "killer assassin" and also be able to run with the classes built for open combat and group play. So long as cloak is the defining thing on NB, I'm afraid the rest of the classes are the apex predators while the NBs are the scavengers; looking for the weak, sick, and dieing.

Personally it sucks to me, as my NB was my 2nd main and almost my main, until I started running with a group. It just doesnt do well there outside of as a camp runner.

Royalthought

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

J2JMC wrote: »

Requesting nerfs to khajits and bosmers while orcs and bretons exist is peak forum trolling tbh.

I highly agree with you. However bretons are only a top tier race because without them sustaining magicka specs becomes unbearable. Soon as sustain for magicka specs gets better. Bretons will go back to being a sup optim

Royalthought wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

ThePhantomThorn wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

All are fine, but cloak should not give immunity to most attacks when the NB is detected by pots, magelight, etc. Otherwise; most NBs are just a nuisance these days

Well...
It should.
It negates single target effects cuz... duh
It nullifies dots. It’s like a no temporary purge.

It’s a no class identity that’s not op. Every build can counter it in 1 way or another, unlike wings pre elsweyr, so it’s not op. No need for nerf.
It takes a lot of skill to cloak in and out of players without being caught out.
(Just has to make it clear)
The OP is just a salty zergling who got sniped by a ganker (probably me)

And detect pots allow u to see a player. What part of that means that they take dot dmg?
U can then hit them w single target skills to pull them out of cloak

Well you cant say detect pots, magelight and all that lets you see them is a counter if you still cant really hit them.

Out of curiosity, while debating the abundant options that we have available to counter cloak, what options do nightblades have to counter other classes?

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

I've already posted videos from my play on both my Magicka and Stamina Nightblades, why cloak is overloaded and needs to be rebalanced. Anyone who says cloak is fine. Is just silly and gives no cares to balance. Cloak does too much for how low it cost compared to other abilities that have had their cost increased. Streak and shields have been nerfed so badly. Yet a ability that gives way more defensive and offensive power has not.

I believe cloak should either get the streak treatment. Or ZOS should undo the nerfs to shields, streak, and dodge rolls. Because these abilities offers less than what cloak offers.

Cloak needs to be rebalanced, and that's it.

Nightblades have been nerfed more than any other class in game for multiple consecutive patches. They are literally a liability in high level matches.

If you are struggling against them, there's a good chance that the necessary changes have to do with your build. Not ZoS.

What class/build are you unable to counter cloak with?

Obviously you didn't read my post. Me personally, don't struggle against Nightblades outside those Super Nightblade Gods that don't take damage but can one shot whole teams in BGs. I clearly stated from my personally expereience playing on both my Magicka and Stamina Nightblades. Cloak is currently overtuned and overloaded compared to other defensive and offensive options that have been harshly nerfed. There is a difference. Don't believe me? I've posted videos of my performance on my two Nightblades on these forums. Was only met with more strawman comments.

Nightblades and cloak have more nerfs and counters than anything else in the game. Nothing you're saying changes that. If you like, feel free to compare specific defensive and offensive options. Making general claims doesn't work.

Also, there are millions of videos of players 1vX'ing bad players on every class. Those same players win and lose 1v1 fights against equally skilled players.

"Me personally, don't struggle against Nightblades outside those Super Nightblade Gods."
^ It's called better players. You beat lesser players and lose to better. We call that balanced. Were those fights vs supergods in the videos you posted too?

Btw, which nightblade ability "one shot whole teams?"

Pijng

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

The_Lex wrote: »

Anything else you’d like nerfed?

Yes actually I am glad you asked. I would personally like Healing done on other players to be halved by battle spirit, so people actually have to heal themselves in PvP. Too many people getting carried by other people healing them, it needs to stop.

As for cloak, it’s a cowards ability especially paired with snipe. Spamming cloak and snipe from the back of a zerg takes 0 skill whatsoever yet it somehow does more damage then someone in your face spamming Dizzy.

I would like Khajiit and Bosmer nerfed for RP reasons.

Thanks for asking!

"Too many people getting carried by other people healing them"
I guess it's called group/team play, no? Go get your own group then. It's totally legal to run within a group that heals/buffs you. If you're talking about ball groups – well, it's another story.

"Spamming cloak and snipe from the back of a zerg takes 0 ... somehow does more damage then someone in your face spamming Dizzy."
I can spam light attack from zerg and you'll be dead as well. Problem isn't because of cloak + snipe but because of zerg. Ye, the whole concept of running as a big nobrain mass requires no skill at all. And this is another level problem that doesn't relate to cloak/snipe.

"I would like Khajiit and Bosmer nerfed for RP reasons."
Without joking – man, rp has nothing to do with combat balance.

The_Lex

Pijng wrote: »

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

The_Lex wrote: »

Anything else you’d like nerfed?

Yes actually I am glad you asked. I would personally like Healing done on other players to be halved by battle spirit, so people actually have to heal themselves in PvP. Too many people getting carried by other people healing them, it needs to stop.

As for cloak, it’s a cowards ability especially paired with snipe. Spamming cloak and snipe from the back of a zerg takes 0 skill whatsoever yet it somehow does more damage then someone in your face spamming Dizzy.

I would like Khajiit and Bosmer nerfed for RP reasons.

Thanks for asking!

"Too many people getting carried by other people healing them"
I guess it's called group/team play, no? Go get your own group then. It's totally legal to run within a group that heals/buffs you. If you're talking about ball groups – well, it's another story.

"Spamming cloak and snipe from the back of a zerg takes 0 ... somehow does more damage then someone in your face spamming Dizzy."
I can spam light attack from zerg and you'll be dead as well. Problem isn't because of cloak + snipe but because of zerg. Ye, the whole concept of running as a big nobrain mass requires no skill at all. And this is another level problem that doesn't relate to cloak/snipe.

"I would like Khajiit and Bosmer nerfed for RP reasons."
Without joking – man, rp has nothing to do with combat balance.

This whole thread is about removing every playstyle except the one he/she plays and approves.

Vizikul

Thanatos_inside wrote: »

nb

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

I've already posted videos from my play on both my Magicka and Stamina Nightblades, why cloak is overloaded and needs to be rebalanced. Anyone who says cloak is fine. Is just silly and gives no cares to balance. Cloak does too much for how low it cost compared to other abilities that have had their cost increased. Streak and shields have been nerfed so badly. Yet a ability that gives way more defensive and offensive power has not.

I believe cloak should either get the streak treatment. Or ZOS should undo the nerfs to shields, streak, and dodge rolls. Because these abilities offers less than what cloak offers.

Cloak needs to be rebalanced, and that's it.

Everyone who says cloak op is just silly. If u have problems with nb its l2p probem.

You obviously didn't even bother to read his comment but dare to reply on it? And even with a garbage comment like "l2p issue/ git gud/ adapt and overcome". He made a legit point, streak and dodge roll received a fatigue penalty to prevent people from spamming it. Btw, no, it's NB's who need to "git gud".

Anyone who defends a broken ability like cloak, is a gankblade that doesn't know how to fight properly, and is not even interested at fighting someone without having an advantage.

TheHsN

Nerf Snipe Yes... It hits 7-12k all the time and very very spamable.

But others ne ee ee Dont touch them

FearlessOne_2014

Vizikul wrote: »

Thanatos_inside wrote: »

nb

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

I've already posted videos from my play on both my Magicka and Stamina Nightblades, why cloak is overloaded and needs to be rebalanced. Anyone who says cloak is fine. Is just silly and gives no cares to balance. Cloak does too much for how low it cost compared to other abilities that have had their cost increased. Streak and shields have been nerfed so badly. Yet a ability that gives way more defensive and offensive power has not.

I believe cloak should either get the streak treatment. Or ZOS should undo the nerfs to shields, streak, and dodge rolls. Because these abilities offers less than what cloak offers.

Cloak needs to be rebalanced, and that's it.

Everyone who says cloak op is just silly. If u have problems with nb its l2p probem.

You obviously didn't even bother to read his comment but dare to reply on it? And even with a garbage comment like "l2p issue/ git gud/ adapt and overcome". He made a legit point, streak and dodge roll received a fatigue penalty to prevent people from spamming it. Btw, no, it's NB's who need to "git gud".

Anyone who defends a broken ability like cloak, is a gankblade that doesn't know how to fight properly, and is not even interested at fighting someone without having an advantage.

+1 Thank you very much!

Pijng

Fatigue to cloak, wow. So it will affect only players who spam cloak. But I've never seen good nbs to do so btw.
Meh, Idc, I dropped shadowy disguise for dark cloak and doing fine.

goldenarcher1

Stamina-cloak.

Oh yeah....

buttaface

This game has some of the weakest stealth of any MMO I've ever played in 20 years, yet bads still whine like little babies for nerfs. This game also has the worst player base in terms of nerf herding I've ever seen... and that's saying something.

Back in the olden MMO days, when players were far more to the right of the intelligence and competence bell curves, there were nerf herders, some anyway. Then when WOW and cheap accessible internet opened the floodgates to a whole new type of "player" let the endless snowflakery begin from incompetents who can barely tie their shoelaces IRL let alone play an easy video game.

And here we are in a game that is very obviously "balanced" around nerf whiners and not any coherent vision for the game.

PapaWeeb

Aliyavana wrote: »

Nerf snipe sure, khajiit are fine, and bosmer need buffs

Bosmer does not need buffs lmao

grannas211

REMOVE SNIPE

jadarock

The only time snipe is an issue is if you are already engaged. 7-12k snipe you are either squishy af or they are built for snipe and or you had debuffs on you.
Put the pressure on snipers and they die quick
Your build or your skill is the problem here...

You realize aoes pull nb from cloak
Pots aoes magelight being in a group with some awareness =99%PROBLEM SOLVED
NBs are weak compared to a few months ago Please stop asking for nerfs and l2p!!

SenpaiNFT

I would like to personally invite everyone saying “L2P” to a duel on the Public Test Server so they may indeed show me how. I would like to see for myself in what areas I need to improve.

Unless you will meet me for a duel on PTS you have no right to tell me to L2P, as it is possible I am in fact better then you.

Jodynn

Bosmers are very underpowered
Khajiit are average and shadowed

Snipe is easy to defend against and counter

Are you even trying before you come cry to the forums about nerfs?

Sick of insolent little twerps coming on here crying, crying instead of trying.

Pijng

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

I would like to personally invite everyone saying “L2P” to a duel on the Public Test Server so they may indeed show me how. I would like to see for myself in what areas I need to improve.

Unless you will meet me for a duel on PTS you have no right to tell me to L2P, as it is possible I am in fact better then you.

Nah sorry, duel includes cp and I'm against any champion points in pvp. Guess you got 1:0 here

Pijng

Also there is an easy(somewhat) way to check if something is op — go play it yourself. Many years ago I thought that sorc was op af. So I lvled up my own. And got destroyed in Cyrodiil. Since then I'm sure that 85-90% issues are because of player skill, not the class/skill/set

Vlad9425

Vizikul wrote: »

Thanatos_inside wrote: »

nb

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

I've already posted videos from my play on both my Magicka and Stamina Nightblades, why cloak is overloaded and needs to be rebalanced. Anyone who says cloak is fine. Is just silly and gives no cares to balance. Cloak does too much for how low it cost compared to other abilities that have had their cost increased. Streak and shields have been nerfed so badly. Yet a ability that gives way more defensive and offensive power has not.

I believe cloak should either get the streak treatment. Or ZOS should undo the nerfs to shields, streak, and dodge rolls. Because these abilities offers less than what cloak offers.

Cloak needs to be rebalanced, and that's it.

Everyone who says cloak op is just silly. If u have problems with nb its l2p probem.

You obviously didn't even bother to read his comment but dare to reply on it? And even with a garbage comment like "l2p issue/ git gud/ adapt and overcome". He made a legit point, streak and dodge roll received a fatigue penalty to prevent people from spamming it. Btw, no, it's NB's who need to "git gud".

Anyone who defends a broken ability like cloak, is a gankblade that doesn't know how to fight properly, and is not even interested at fighting someone without having an advantage.

Anyone who considers an ability which already has so many hard counters and the only ability that keeps NB even slightly relevant at the moment to be "broken" clearly never plays the nightblade class and should not be commenting trying to get peoples classes nerfed when they are simply not skilled enough or too lazy to use the many counters which are available against this ability. Usually these same people try to make threads to "nerf everything that kills me".

Vizikul

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Vlad9425 wrote: »

Anyone who considers an ability which already has so many hard counters and the only ability that keeps NB even slightly relevant at the moment to be "broken" clearly never plays the nightblade class and should not be commenting trying to get peoples classes nerfed when they are simply not skilled enough or too lazy to use the many counters which are available against this ability..

It's not about nerfing but about balancing. As mentioned before the same happened to streak and dodge roll. Despite dodge roll having many hard counters like any AoE ability. So, either streak and dodge roll get "unnerfed" or cloak needs to get the same treatment. Cloak also suppresses dots and makes the caster unaimable, while still allowing them to be healed. That is not balanced at all. And just for the records, I'm totally fine if they remove all the hard counters to cloak.

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Anyone who considers an ability which already has so many hard counters and the only ability that keeps NB even slightly relevant at the moment to be "broken" clearly never plays the nightblade class and should not be commenting trying to get peoples classes nerfed when they are simply not skilled enough or too lazy to use the many counters which are available against this ability.

I don't need to play a certain class or "playstyle" to realize that something is broken/ unbalanced, all I have to do is to compare all the available options with each other.

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Usually these same people try to make threads to "nerf everything that kills me".

You are more than welcome to check all of my threads, shouldn't be a lot of work, since I made a total of 6. Two of them being in German, which you can google translate. You will find that I don't do nerf threads. I don't make nerf comments either. I comment about unbalanced/ broken abilities like for example the old Dk wings (I still disagree with the new wings) and I always back up my suggestions and opinions with arguments. So, yeah. I don't do "nerf this, nerf that".

Jodynn

Funny people say "balance" but balance one will favor the person complaining.

Furthermore balance is more than equality, some classes should be better at certain things, its part of balancing, people seem to think homogenized solutions are balanced but they aren't, even ZOS said in their vision everyone should be viable just not optimal. Get over yourself.

Also if you don't play a playstyle then complain you don't have the perspective so your opinion is incredibly invalid and skewed to your own desires.

Vizikul

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

Funny people say "balance" but balance one will favor the person complaining..

No, that is not the definition of balance. Maybe you should look it up before you throw around with random assumptions.

The argument why Cloak is unbalanced is clear and was already mentioned: 1. other escape abilities like streak and dodge roll get a fatigue penalty to prevent them from being spammed indefinitely, while Cloak is special snowflake and does not get the same treatment. 2. While in Cloak people can't target you, but you can be healed, which isn't balanced either.

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

Also if you don't play a playstyle then complain you don't have the perspective so your opinion is incredibly invalid and skewed to your own desires.

1. No, it's not. Fighting against a certain class/ playstyle, without playing it myself gives me as much of a reason to debate than anyone else.
2. I can throw your own comment back at you and tell you your opinion is false and invalid because you play that class/ playstyle and therefore you are biased to defend it by any means.

jadarock

SenpaiNFT wrote: »

I would like to personally invite everyone saying “L2P” to a duel on the Public Test Server so they may indeed show me how. I would like to see for myself in what areas I need to improve.

Unless you will meet me for a duel on PTS you have no right to tell me to L2P, as it is possible I am in fact better then you.

If they play the class they may very well in fact know all the nuances in which you have no clue of OP.
You'd have quit the game when viper and veli proc meta was actually overtuned. I started as a ganker and moved on to other classes because I got sick of all the counters to cloak. Incorporating one or two things into your build goes a long way bro js

Jodynn

Vizikul wrote: »

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

Funny people say "balance" but balance one will favor the person complaining..

No, that is not the definition of balance. Maybe you should look it up before you throw around with random assumptions.

The argument why Cloak is unbalanced is clear and was already mentioned: 1. other escape abilities like streak and dodge roll get a fatigue penalty to prevent them from being spammed indefinitely, while Cloak is special snowflake and does not get the same treatment. 2. While in Cloak people can't target you, but you can be healed, which isn't balanced either.

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

Also if you don't play a playstyle then complain you don't have the perspective so your opinion is incredibly invalid and skewed to your own desires.

1. No, it's not. Fighting against a certain class/ playstyle, without playing it myself gives me as much of a reason to debate than anyone else.
2. I can throw your own comment back at you and tell you your opinion is false and invalid because you play that class/ playstyle and therefore you are biased to defend it by any means.

I'm saying what you call "balance" when it negatively affects one and blessed the other, don't get self righteous and regard the quotes instead of throwing a hissy fit.

Cloak is a unique ability to nightblades it's only pertainable to people unable to counter it, people who counter it easily ( me included ) have no problem with the fact it doesn't have fatigue and it is not equitable to streak as that is a movement skill and dodge rolling is a universal skill that is very powerful in it's own right.

You are comparing oranges to apples and saying oranges should be red but no one really cares except who sees red which leads me to the next point.

It doesn't give you more of a right it just shows you only have one perspective without the ability to play the devil's advocate your don't have all the available knowledge of the limitation of what you think you see but you don't have the experience of how it actually works just what you think which is an opinion which is fallible and without proof.

Vlad9425

Vizikul wrote: »

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Vlad9425 wrote: »

Anyone who considers an ability which already has so many hard counters and the only ability that keeps NB even slightly relevant at the moment to be "broken" clearly never plays the nightblade class and should not be commenting trying to get peoples classes nerfed when they are simply not skilled enough or too lazy to use the many counters which are available against this ability..

It's not about nerfing but about balancing. As mentioned before the same happened to streak and dodge roll. Despite dodge roll having many hard counters like any AoE ability. So, either streak and dodge roll get "unnerfed" or cloak needs to get the same treatment. Cloak also suppresses dots and makes the caster unaimable, while still allowing them to be healed. That is not balanced at all. And just for the records, I'm totally fine if they remove all the hard counters to cloak.

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Anyone who considers an ability which already has so many hard counters and the only ability that keeps NB even slightly relevant at the moment to be "broken" clearly never plays the nightblade class and should not be commenting trying to get peoples classes nerfed when they are simply not skilled enough or too lazy to use the many counters which are available against this ability.

I don't need to play a certain class or "playstyle" to realize that something is broken/ unbalanced, all I have to do is to compare all the available options with each other.

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Usually these same people try to make threads to "nerf everything that kills me".

You are more than welcome to check all of my threads, shouldn't be a lot of work, since I made a total of 6. Two of them being in German, which you can google translate. You will find that I don't do nerf threads. I don't make nerf comments either. I comment about unbalanced/ broken abilities like for example the old Dk wings (I still disagree with the new wings) and I always back up my suggestions and opinions with arguments. So, yeah. I don't do "nerf this, nerf that".

Streak allows you to create a massive distance between you and other players and the old wings which could shut down most of the ranged offence of some classes can but in your mind a 3 second Invis ability which also has so many counters is "unbalanced". Cloak is the last decent bit of kit NB has left because everything else has been nerfed into insignificance. That doesn't make Cloak "unbalanced" it just makes it a decent ability which is fine as is.

Also you mention Cloak suppressing DOTs which are no longer relevant next patch and the fact that everyone has access to purge. Try actually playing the NB class and you will quickly realise how not OP cloak is specially when you fight good players. Its funny when the nerf comments come from players who don't play the class they want nerfed.

Vizikul

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

I'm saying what you call "balance" when it negatively affects one and blessed the other, don't get self righteous and regard the quotes instead of throwing a hissy fit..

I'm as much of a self righteous person than you and anyone else here on this forum. Everyone has an opinion, argues for it and doesn't seem to retreat. Also, just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I have a "hissy fit". I have no clue, what makes you believe this. I didn't cap lock, didn't use any vulgar language, or discriminate in any way. So... you disagree with me? "Ha! Your mad!"

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

You are comparing oranges to apples and saying oranges should be red but no one really cares except who sees red which leads me to the next point..

Is this supposed to be an argument? Didn't you just call me self-rightous before and now you come up with this? I exclusively compared spammable escape abilities with each other. Your apple-orange sentiment is beyond me.

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

It doesn't give you more of a right it just shows you only have one perspective without the ability to play the devil's advocate your don't have all the available knowledge of the limitation of what you think you see but you don't have the experience of how it actually works just what you think which is an opinion which is fallible and without proof.

I never said I had more of a right, you guys are insisting that I shouldn't be debating because I don't play a x class/ playstyle. You are also assuming that I am only interested in nerfing classes I don't play, which is wrong. While I don't play all classes, I do care about a somewhat balanced gaming experience for everyone.

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

you don't have the experience of how it actually works just what you think which is an opinion which is fallible and without proof.

Everything you write on here is nothing but an opinion, just as everything I do is mine. You have as much of a proof, as I do. None, because this is not how proves work.

You have a nice signature, it's quite ironical considering you are keep trying to degrade my opinion as worthless.