Are nightblades a class, or just a "skill" (cloak)? (PvP)

Cavedog

Would you play a nightblade if there were no cloak "skill"?

Nightblades can't exist in PvP without cloak. Calling cloak a skill is more than a bit misrepresentitve of what it is, but that's what ZOS calls it.

Could nightblades exist in PvP without cloak?

BigBragg

Yes, nightblades have so many skills available to them, I could PvP without cloak

You can build brawler, tanky nightblades. They have a good toolkit and passives for pvp. You can also build support, healer types without cloak. There are many options. There are even more options to counter cloak and invisibility potions.

Jimmy_The_Fixer

Yes, nightblades have so many skills available to them, I could PvP without cloak

I’ve played nightblade without stealth and faught against good ones that don’t use it. Nightblade is a real class with a solid toolkit.

Just because 80% of nightblade players can’t pvp without cloak doesn’t mean that something is wrong with the class, that’s an L2P issue.

Drdeath20

Yes, nightblades have so many skills available to them, I could PvP without cloak

I get more scared fighting a NB that doesnt solely rely on cloak and teleport as defense.

Starlock

Umm.. I don’t PvP, but no, I wouldn’t be able to play my nightblade correctly without it. She’s a master theif. Cloak is an essential tool for doing what she does.

Kiralyn2000

Yeah, what's with the general subject line & question (Would you play a nightblade if there were no cloak "skill"?), but then the poll is only about pvp?


I don't pvp. But I've never used Cloak on either of my Nightblades. (My stamblade has every stealth passive, stealth armor sets, etc. Alas, it's also a Bosmer, so it's stealth bonuses were screwed over by a PvP patch. Meanwhile, my Magblade rarely even uses 'crouch' stealth.)

Dojohoda

Yes, nightblades have so many skills available to them, I could PvP without cloak

Speaking for magicka nightblade, either morph of cloak is a choice I make depending on the play style that I want to do (crit or tanky). I have a lot of magblades and the one I take into cyrodiil the most uses Dark Cloak. It is never invisible. I have recently pvped on my G.O. Magblade who currently has Shadowy Disguise that I might use during a fight to proc crit. Any other use is too expensive for its low-regen build. I'm not a ganker or bomber, but I like to try that occasionally and shadowy is crucial for that.

rabid64

Yes, nightblades have so many skills available to them, I could PvP without cloak

i dont even have the heal morph of cloak slotted on my bars as a stamblade

Araxleon

Yes, nightblades have so many skills available to them, I could PvP without cloak

I currently play without using neither cloak morph
Its about high damage and keeping pressure on your opponent in PVP.

Nightblades dont need cloak to do well in PVP, Infact aside from avoiding big groups and tel var farming using other skills are better.

I will say though I choose nightblade because I like having that tool available and overall it's why I choose the class even if I dont actively use the skill.

hakan

No, there is no possible way to be a successful nightblade in PvP without cloak

While i chose no, i dont mean you cant play without it. We have seen the examples of it. Thats why i hate this kind of polls.

But without it, it doesnt seem to offer much. At least theme-wise. I rather play DK or Templar for brawler, it feels better.

Nightblade means escape and dodge to me. Without cloak, dodge loses effectiveness IMO. So yeah..just my two cents.

Cavedog

No, there is no possible way to be a successful nightblade in PvP without cloak

Thank you for the legitimate responses. I'm a bit afraid people will view this as trolling, but it's not. It's a legitimate question. I'm wondering how many would play nightblade if cloak wasn't at the core of everything they do.

Vermethys

I don't know about the rest, but the NBs that give me the most trouble in PvP are usually ones that use the healing morph of cloak (Dark Cloak) -- MagNBs to be more specific. Cloaking NBs are mostly just pesky.

MojaveHeld

Yes, nightblades have so many skills available to them, I could PvP without cloak

Magblade is certainly playable in PvP without cloak. Gankblades and bombblades are just the most popular for the class because they're super cheesy.

Iskiab

No, there is no possible way to be a successful nightblade in PvP without cloak

No, not possible. You either need the invisibility or mitigation/heal morph of cloak. Without cloak the class would be terrible.

Dojohoda

Yes, nightblades have so many skills available to them, I could PvP without cloak

Cavedog wrote: »

Thank you for the legitimate responses. I'm a bit afraid people will view this as trolling, but it's not. It's a legitimate question. I'm wondering how many would play nightblade if cloak wasn't at the core of everything they do.

I would continue to play in nightblade. I like the blood magic part ; cloak is part of that theme. That is just my take on it. I'm not knowledgeable about the lore.

Vlad9425

A lot of the NB builds rely on Cloak and sure you can play without it but if that's what you want to do then you may as well roll a Stamden or a Stamplar who are way more effective at the Brawler playstyle than NB. Nightblade is supposed to be a stealthy class and Cloak compliments that playstyle well but it also has many counters.

ChefZero

hakan wrote: »

While i chose no, i dont mean you cant play without it. We have seen the examples of it. Thats why i hate this kind of polls.

But without it, it doesnt seem to offer much. At least theme-wise. I rather play DK or Templar for brawler, it feels better.

Nightblade means escape and dodge to me. Without cloak, dodge loses effectiveness IMO. So yeah..just my two cents.

Me too. You can be successful with many spec's but the class loose identity.

JAwtunes

Iskiab wrote: »

No, not possible. You either need the invisibility or mitigation/heal morph of cloak. Without cloak the class would be terrible.

Yep this.
Dark cloak is really underrated imo. Minor protection (this is a great buff on its own), major ward and resolve and a nice hot that scales with max health (so heavy armour and shadow skill line passives) - not bad and more reliable than shadowy disguise.

teladoy

Yes, nightblades have so many skills available to them, I could PvP without cloak

NB can be successful without cloak but there is also the option to play that kind of troll build where they can abuse of cloak and they can snipe you, cloak, knock you away, snipe you, cloak, snipe you, knock you and etc or flee away that in my opinion breaks the game.

azjuwelz

Yes, nightblades have so many skills available to them, I could PvP without cloak

Cloak is fun, but not necessary. I do perfectly fine in PVP without it.

(I personally miss the incapacitating in Incapacitating Strike, but I understand why it was nerfed. Still miss it. That and Ambush.)

Royalthought

Is it viable? Yea.

But outside of the two cloak morphs, nightblades are barebones in comparison to the other classes.

Nightblades Have binary choices. Like Invis or heal (Cloak morph) - Burst or mitigation (Bow stacks)

Nb have severe limitations. Other classes accomplish more but without such sacrifices.

Jeremy

Yes, nightblades have so many skills available to them, I could PvP without cloak

Cavedog wrote: »

Would you play a nightblade if there were no cloak "skill"?

Nightblades can't exist in PvP without cloak. Calling cloak a skill is more than a bit misrepresentitve of what it is, but that's what ZOS calls it.

Could nightblades exist in PvP without cloak?

They could exist, sure. But I would certainly never play one without at least one version of their cloak ability available. That's what makes the class attractive to play for me. But I'm sure there are players out there who can be effective without it.

DUTCH_REAPER

Yes, nightblades have so many skills available to them, I could PvP without cloak

Every IC event this happens. NB run rampant in IC because they excel in stealth. If someone thinks, oh I can hop on a night blade slot cloak and be awesome be for warned. It takes a lot of practice and skill to survive on a NB. There are SO many counters to cloak it is insane most people do not use them.

Keledus

Yes, nightblades have so many skills available to them, I could PvP without cloak

Cavedog wrote: »

Would you play a nightblade if there were no cloak "skill"?

Nightblades can't exist in PvP without cloak. Calling cloak a skill is more than a bit misrepresentitve of what it is, but that's what ZOS calls it.

Could nightblades exist in PvP without cloak?

This is one of those typical threads of someone that got ganked or annoyed. Cloak has more negatives than positives, so yes very much playable without cloak. However removing cloak gets rid of the ''assasin/rogue'' style gameplay for stamblades.
As for magblades they pretty much barely use cloak unless the person really wants to.

I myself play without cloak pvp & pve.

idk

LOL. Clearly a biased poll by someone who either chooses to not to use the hard (or even soft) counters to cloak or they are challenged figuring out how to use them. Either way it is a pointless poll as a result.

Cavedog wrote: »

Thank you for the legitimate responses. I'm a bit afraid people will view this as trolling, but it's not. It's a legitimate question. I'm wondering how many would play nightblade if cloak wasn't at the core of everything they do.

LOL. You try to defend those extremely biased answers you provided as legitimate? The statement I quoted is fake news.

idk

Cavedog wrote: »

idk wrote: »

LOL. Clearly a biased poll by someone who either chooses to not to use the hard (or even soft) counters to cloak or they are challenged figuring out how to use them. Either way it is a pointless poll as a result.

Cavedog wrote: »

Thank you for the legitimate responses. I'm a bit afraid people will view this as trolling, but it's not. It's a legitimate question. I'm wondering how many would play nightblade if cloak wasn't at the core of everything they do.

LOL. You try to defend those extremely biased answers you provided as legitimate? The statement I quoted is fake news.

Your post sounds like you're one of the guys that can only play nightblade, and only because of cloak.

This comment is laughable and I am disappointed it is the best you can come up with after I point out the fallacies of your poll and your comment. Thanks for the laugh. I do not have to defend my comment because it is so obvious how the poll is intentionally biased and your comment to defend it is without merit, as I already pointed out.

BTW, I hunt down gankers, which does consist of NB using cloak but also other classes. I find the counters to cloak very effective regardless of the several classes I play. LOL

Bosov

Could sorc play PvP without a shield? Yes they can. Just like a nightblade can play without their main defense skill. You can make it work but you need to change your build. It wouldnt be fair to take away cloak though.

Sorcs have shields and mobility, dk have healing and tankiness and templar also have healing and tankiness. Nightblades have shade and cloak as main defense.

You could argue that nightblade already has the easiest to counter class defense mechanic.

morrowjen

Yes, nightblades have so many skills available to them, I could PvP without cloak

Cavedog wrote: »

Would you play a nightblade if there were no cloak "skill"?

Nightblades can't exist in PvP without cloak. Calling cloak a skill is more than a bit misrepresentitve of what it is, but that's what ZOS calls it.

Could nightblades exist in PvP without cloak?

They're definitely a class. I'm playing a stamnecro at the moment and I've joked that it's just a necroblade but the truth is that the classes are very different and cloaking doesn't have much to do with it.

max_only

Yes, nightblades have so many skills available to them, I could PvP without cloak

Before Zos nerfed/killed my Nightblade tank 3 times in a row I pvp’d with him without Cloak.

I was a sap tank, then a sponge tank,, and then a dodge tank. Good thing I got all my skyshards before the end. I can’t even look at that character without getting sad.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

Yes, nightblades have so many skills available to them, I could PvP without cloak

another nerf nb post lol...and people cry about cloak still? ) seriously go back to your necromancer.

Darkenarlol

looks like someone got PWNed by cloaking gankblade

yet i'm sure this thread gonna turn into nerf sorcs thread =P