PVE-Why would I NOT switch to StamSorc from MagSorc?

MakeMeUhSamich

Console peasant, here. I’m just dumbfounded by how much my beloved MagSorc feels like dog poo after today‘s patch.

Seriously, any reasons NOT to go StamSorc? I appreciate your thoughts.

~Samich

buttaface

If you've ever fired a bow IRL or grimace when you see Legolas BS in the LOTR movies, there's one reason. If you think holding out knives to the side of you and spinning around is nonimmersive BS that would get you killed even in a John Wick movie there's another. Other than that, you may like it. I switched from Stam to Magicka entirely other than on one stamblade character 2 years ago and never looked back. Magicka weapons, skills and use in this game are fairly well-done. DW and Bow? Not so much. But if you are the type with 12 combat add-ons and macros flashing all over the screen, you probably won't notice the loss of immersion. If you are into the "most power" switching is a no-brainer. Other than magplar, magicka toons are second fiddle these days.

Kali_Despoine

-I'm thinking the same, Breton to Orc plz
and I have some race change tokens from the last time (((they))) screwed around
Or just stop playing now that my main is a climate change waste product

Summon Unstable Clannfear (morph): Reduced the healing granted from the special activation of this ability by approximately 14% to ensure it’s in line with other burst heal abilities, such as Rushed Ceremony or Dragon’s Blood.

What does this mean Clannfear is now 1 bar skill?
Or is it that dragons blood and rushed Ceremony is now a duo-bar skill?

So many things that don't make sense
Like how shields are somehow burst heals instead of a Block/Dodge-roll for magika builds

buttaface

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

So many things that don't make sense Like how shields are somehow burst heals instead of a Block/Dodge-roll for magika builds

Don't buy into their "conforming to standards" repetitive lie. There are none. This game is developed arbitrarily and knee-jerk pendulum swing for a reason. It's all about cheap churning as opposed to keeping people playing via thoughtful new content or other legitimate ways.

FrancisCrawford

MakeMeUhSamich wrote: »

Console peasant, here. I’m just dumbfounded by how much my beloved MagSorc feels like dog poo after today‘s patch.

Seriously, any reasons NOT to go StamSorc? I appreciate your thoughts.

~Samich

There's one big reason: The possibiity of further changes in the future. They wrecked templar, then put it back together. Indeed, they wrecked no-pet mag sorcerer, but replaced them with good pet sorcerers for quite a while. So they might fix the class again in the future.

That said, if you're talking about a playstyle change without the use of a race change token, then go for it, if you think that would be more powerful or fun.

WrathOfInnos

Conduit synergies and Minor Prophecy are the only reasons to play Mag Sorc over Stam this patch. Also Shock damage is useful for debuffing large groups of enemies.

Stam Sorc is possibly the highest DPS right now, however it brings almost nothing to help the group (maybe count Major Berserk if you use the Storm Atronach).

Starlock

If you ask the question at all, the answer is probably no. The main reason not to is because it does not reflect who yur character is. My magicka sorcerer - lightning mage - will never be a warrior. He will never, ever go stamina. It is not who he is.

And frankly, after playing him a bit today, he’s fine. It’s still stupid he cannot get sorcery from his class, but he’s fine. It’s also stupid that they took stun away from one of his lightning staff abilities to make a skill that is inferior in every way to elemental ring, but he’s fine.

MakeMeUhSamich

I appreciate the replies. My old MagSorc setup lost ~8k DPS overnight. Unfortunately, the new full dot rotation feels like garbage imo. Might be time go StamSorc or simply take a break for awhile.

Bouldercleave

buttaface wrote: »

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

So many things that don't make sense Like how shields are somehow burst heals instead of a Block/Dodge-roll for magika builds

Don't buy into their "conforming to standards" repetitive lie. There are none. This game is developed arbitrarily and knee-jerk pendulum swing for a reason. It's all about cheap churning as opposed to keeping people playing via thoughtful new content or other legitimate ways.

Welcome to 2019 Gaming.


Pull up a chair and let's reminisce about the good ol' days of gaming.

Today's gaming business model sucks.

AcadianPaladin

My magsorc's fun value has plummeted. She is still viable as my primary crafter. Will not transition her to stamsorc because I already have a stamsorc.

Perhaps someday in the future, magsorc may become fun again.

But that day is not now.

MLGProPlayer

Because you prefer magicka playstyle over stamina?

Because you don't want to race change?

I mained magden for years, and it was FAR worse than the current state of magsorc. I did it because I liked the archetype and play style.

max_only

Hey, stamsorc is my 3rd favorite baby after stam Dk and my master crafter but he’s not even a Sorc. All his skills except for 2 are from other sources. If you want to be Sorcerer 🧙‍♂️ then stay magsorc.

OG_Kaveman

Kali_Despoine wrote: »

-I'm thinking the same, Breton to Orc plz
and I have some race change tokens from the last time (((they))) screwed around
Or just stop playing now that my main is a climate change waste product

Summon Unstable Clannfear (morph): Reduced the healing granted from the special activation of this ability by approximately 14% to ensure it’s in line with other burst heal abilities, such as Rushed Ceremony or Dragon’s Blood.

What does this mean Clannfear is now 1 bar skill?
Or is it that dragons blood and rushed Ceremony is now a duo-bar skill?

So many things that don't make sense
Like how shields are somehow burst heals instead of a Block/Dodge-roll for magika builds

the clannfear is still the strongest on demand health percentage heal in the game, it was 35%, 14% of that is 4.9 , which means it is a 30% of your health, all the time, that can crit AND the clannfear gives you 8% more health AND is invulnerable in pve group content.

lets take a look at the rest of the percentage based heals in the game-

Green Dragon Blood heals for 33% of your MISSING health, meaning that to get the same 30% sorcs have on demand, they have to have almost zero health, like only 3% health. increase healing recived by 12% adn health reveroy by 5% while its on your active bar.


Hungry Scythe is 15% of your max health followed by 6% ticks for every enemy after the first one up to 6, you need to hit something to get a heal and you need to hit at least FOUR enemies (15+6+6+6= 33, up to 45% with six enemies max) to get the amount of healing that sorcs get and you need to wait for the ticks after the initial burst.

Dark Cloak
4% ticks of health for 8 seconds, gives minor protection, 32% total. procs major ward and resolve for you. 3% health.

Polar Wind one tick of 26% followed by 5 ticks of 2% every second. total 36%. Increases your Physical and Spell Resistance by 500 while on your bar. heal an ally with in 12 meters of your for the initial 26% as well.

Invigorating Drain gives 3 ticks of 15%, with 5 ulti, over 3 seconds, for a max of 45% and 15 ulti. Accelerating Drain give 4 ticks of 15% over the same 3 seconds, leading to 60% heal and you get minor expedition, also both need a target to heal.


templars do not have percentage based health heal. no idea why gina put that there. if a tank did use Rushed Ceremony. the heal would be kinda meh. át tank level stats, like 20k mag 36k health and 21k stam, you would get around 20% of your health as a heal from Honor The Dead, of course this is not guaranteed to hit you.


all in all, i think srocs are in a pretty good spot, even with the clannfear taking 2 bar slots.

chrightt

Dunno. I mostly just do some healing here and there in dungeons now. Sorcs aren’t doing great this patch so it isn’t any fun to play it. Personally don’t like stam sorc only for theme issues so my magsorc will stay magicka.

AcadianPaladin

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

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I mained magden for years, and it was FAR worse than the current state of magsorc. I did it because I liked the archetype and play style.

Interesting.

I've enjoyed my magward also. She held her own this patch or improved slightly in my view. She now does indeed outperform my magsorc.

Thing is, I loved the one pet (matriarch) playstyle. When 2 slots for the matriarch bought me good burst heal + decent damage and Power Surge (for 1 slot) bought me major sorcery + heals, it all worked and was lots of fun. But the matriarch and power surge nerfs and resultant loss of dps combined with needing more slots sucked the fun and much of the performance out of my magsorc. I'd rather use her for crafting than play her like a weak NB.

GrimTheReaper45

MakeMeUhSamich wrote: »

Console peasant, here. I’m just dumbfounded by how much my beloved MagSorc feels like dog poo after today‘s patch.

Seriously, any reasons NOT to go StamSorc? I appreciate your thoughts.

~Samich

only reason not to go stamsorc is because its only marginally better. really sorc as a class is dead. Stam and mag are both complete garbage

MakeMeUhSamich

After extensive parsing since consoles received the patch, I made the switch to StamSorc today.

Now, to level all these new skills...

CaptainBones

I dunno man, my magsorc main still feels strong in pve melting things within seconds. I guess there's no harm in trying a stamsorc though if yours isn't feeling that great so i say go for it. I'm in the same boat with my necromancer, i chose mag necro but he is feeling underpowered and after seeing stam necro in action I'm going to start levelling one of those instead.

Adernath

I don't even use shields anymore in pvp, utterly pointless if you ask me.

CaptainBones wrote: »

I dunno man, my magsorc main still feels strong in pve melting things within seconds.

Because this game is so much dumped down so that everyone with a little xp melt everything in seconds.