First time in IC and the first guy I meet is a cheater

blistb16_ESO

Someone attacked me while I was in IC collecting skyshard, but I killed him. Then I changed zone through a door, had the loading screen, and suddenly was dead, killed by the same game.
So this is what IC is. Guess it's also my last time.

Never going back here until someone tell me this guy is banned and the exploit fixed.

redspecter23

It might be possible that he respawned asap, and tracked you to the door in stealth. If he walked through right after you, it's totally possible he would load in first and be able to kill you in under a few seconds.

Is it possible he's cheating? Yes.
Is it possible he's not cheating? Yes.

I know you said you weren't going back, but if you go through the side doors (not the large center door in each district) you end up on a high safe platform on the other side which essentially prevents load screen ganking.

blistb16_ESO

no I died in the original zone, not the one I was travelling to.

SidraWillowsky

Where in IC were you? Up in the districts, or down in the sewers?

If it was above in the districts and the district in which you killed him was owned by his alliance (or the one you zoned into), then he probably respawned in that district and came after you. Might've gotten you when you went through the door.

ChunkyCat

You should cover the lens on your web cam. He was probably using your own web cam to see what keystrokes you were doing. Then he used that knowledge to counter your very strategic gameplay.

They’re tricksters, those hackers.

KillsAllElves

blistb16_ESO wrote: »

Someone attacked me while I was in IC collecting skyshard, but I killed him. Then I changed zone through a door, had the loading screen, and suddenly was dead, killed by the same game.
So this is what IC is. Guess it's also my last time.

Never going back here until someone tell me this guy is banned and the exploit fixed.

If you went through the big center door youre only put in sanctuary for a brief time. Depending on the load screen length, he killed you when your sanctuary buff timed out.

Do not assume that some one who killed you is a cheater.

usmguy1234

blistb16_ESO wrote: »

Someone attacked me while I was in IC collecting skyshard, but I killed him. Then I changed zone through a door, had the loading screen, and suddenly was dead, killed by the same game.
So this is what IC is. Guess it's also my last time.

Never going back here until someone tell me this guy is banned and the exploit fixed.

This is why you should have general pvp mechanic knowledge before entering a pvp zone.

JamieAubrey

I bet he was a Sorc

blistb16_ESO

usmguy1234 wrote: »

This is why you should have general pvp mechanic knowledge before entering a pvp zone.

You mean I should get a master in door engineering. Sorry but I wouldn't have killed him in the first place if I didn't know what I was doing.

And it wasn't the center door.

Sanctum74

We all get load screens, no cheating involved.

El_Borracho

Time to nerf doors in Cyrodiil.

blistb16_ESO

Can we still get through door in cyrodill ? Such good times.

Just to be clear, as long as I got a loading screen, that means the server acknowledged the fact that I interacted with the door. You shouldn't be able to die in front of it after that.

Add to the fact that currently, I can't go near a fight in cyrodiil without being disconnected...

Siohwenoeht

Door loading screens are wonky and deceiving sometimes. When you first interact with the door, I've noticed there is a delay which keeps your toon in the original location for a time, then loads you to the new area. In that moment you are vulnerable to any attack, even an NPC attack. I've gotten in the habit of holding block after interacting with doors and it can help.

Works the same with random load screens in cyro, hold block immediately and walk backwards.

It'll increase your odds of surviving the load screen.

buttaface

Just another example of a long list of gaping flaws in ESO's PvP design, cheat or not. I went in IC -once- saw what an absurd maze it is, went right back out, never back other than to get dungeons or roll the awful, rigged loot table WGT chest, and I've been PvPing in MMOs for 20 years. Just imagine how someone new to PvP reacts. I'm not going to waste my gaming time learning some ridiculous maze to PvP or learning a bunch of sidegames in BG to do it either.

The fundamental core of any good MMO PvP system is a simple, usually 4v4 random arena with no premades and very simple few maps. Hop in, fight. Hop out. Allows new players to PvP to learn in a relatively simple environment and allows busy working people to get some fast PvP fun in. It's how GW1 did it, and almost every game has gotten it wrong since including this one, always biting off more than they can chew. Same for Cyrodiil.

And this, folks, is why the zone is mostly empty other than a handful of gank Telvar farmers and an occasional guild zerg. No debate possible, it is a completely wasted zone and empty as a matter of fact and not opinion, so spare any PR soft shilling or fanboi WKing.

mairwen85

KillsAllElves wrote: »

blistb16_ESO wrote: »

Someone attacked me while I was in IC collecting skyshard, but I killed him. Then I changed zone through a door, had the loading screen, and suddenly was dead, killed by the same game.
So this is what IC is. Guess it's also my last time.

Never going back here until someone tell me this guy is banned and the exploit fixed.

If you went through the big center door youre only put in sanctuary for a brief time. Depending on the load screen length, he killed you when your sanctuary buff timed out.

Do not assume that some one who killed you is a cheater.

You mean... People can kill me. Legit kill me and not cheat? Quick, what can we nerf?! Ban everyone but me and make IC a solo instance.

Coggo

I don't know. Once when returning to EP base via our sewer entrance in Arena a Sorc broke cover and came at me. I was loaded with Tel Var and wearing Imperial Physique. I panic smashed E and what followed was the longest loading screen.

When I finally materialised in our sewers I left the sanctuary zone and Bang! Dead! My nemesis had loaded in before me and even had time to buff up and hide.

I was gutted but I didn't blame the guy for cheating. Weird ass mechanics exist all through this game. In both PVE and PVP.

It's a huge deal to accuse someone of cheating or exploiting without truly tangible evidence.

mague

blistb16_ESO wrote: »

Someone attacked me while I was in IC collecting skyshard, but I killed him. Then I changed zone through a door, had the loading screen, and suddenly was dead, killed by the same game.
So this is what IC is. Guess it's also my last time.

Never going back here until someone tell me this guy is banned and the exploit fixed.

IC is, unfortunately, the darkest of the dark places. It is not necessarily a cheater. Some are just obsessed by PvP. Like that guy who chased me on my mount through Cyro. A fully trained mount plus Rapid. He used his gap closer for like 8 times to get me of the horse eventually. Just overland, far away from any objective.

If you dont want to deal with this mindset stay away.

max_only

blistb16_ESO wrote: »

Can we still get through door in cyrodill ? Such good times.

Just to be clear, as long as I got a loading screen, that means the server acknowledged the fact that I interacted with the door. You shouldn't be able to die in front of it after that.

Add to the fact that currently, I can't go near a fight in cyrodiil without being disconnected...

Door ganking was and still is a huge problem that was prevalent during the last pvp event. People were load screen ganking in the Cyrodiil towns farming pvers going for fetch quests. They never flipped the town, they purposefully left the town alone so unsuspecting pvers would travel there, go into the quest giver’s house, and be killed in the loading screen.

usmguy1234

blistb16_ESO wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

This is why you should have general pvp mechanic knowledge before entering a pvp zone.

You mean I should get a master in door engineering. Sorry but I wouldn't have killed him in the first place if I didn't know what I was doing.

And it wasn't the center door.

Some of the zone doors are very close to the enemy spawn points. He could have easily made it to you if you were stuck in a loading screen and killed you.

Morgul667

I got killed, he is a cheater!

Morgul667

I killed him it was fair game!

xxthir13enxx

DOTS....DOTS EVERYWHERE.....

Reistr_the_Unbroken

max_only wrote: »

blistb16_ESO wrote: »

Can we still get through door in cyrodill ? Such good times.

Just to be clear, as long as I got a loading screen, that means the server acknowledged the fact that I interacted with the door. You shouldn't be able to die in front of it after that.

Add to the fact that currently, I can't go near a fight in cyrodiil without being disconnected...

Door ganking was and still is a huge problem that was prevalent during the last pvp event. People were load screen ganking in the Cyrodiil towns farming pvers going for fetch quests. They never flipped the town, they purposefully left the town alone so unsuspecting pvers would travel there, go into the quest giver’s house, and be killed in the loading screen.

I still remember the thread addressing that issue, but then people screamed and whined “get gud!”

Like how are people supposed to “get gud” if they can’t fight back?

Lylith

El_Borracho wrote: »

Time to nerf doors in Cyrodiil.

that would require them to work properly in the first place.

EmEm_Oh

blistb16_ESO wrote: »

Someone attacked me while I was in IC collecting skyshard, but I killed him. Then I changed zone through a door, had the loading screen, and suddenly was dead, killed by the same game.
So this is what IC is. Guess it's also my last time.

Never going back here until someone tell me this guy is banned and the exploit fixed.

How many times did this player do what you described.

blistb16_ESO

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

DOTS....DOTS EVERYWHERE.....

Funny you say that, because when I killed him, I had to heal 5k dps of dots. This guy was obviously exploiting everything he could.

But in the end, I ended with 500 more TVS than before meeting him.

Sanctum74

So killing a player in a load screen is cheating and using dot based skills is exploiting? This thread just keeps getting better.

Major_Lag

El_Borracho wrote: »

Time to nerf doors in Cyrodiil.

Already been done.
Anyone still remembers the times when resource towers used to have doors?

That, plus the "can't use doors while stealthed" nerf a few months ago.

buttaface wrote: »

Just another example of a long list of gaping flaws in ESO's PvP design, cheat or not. I went in IC -once- saw what an absurd maze it is, went right back out, never back other than to get dungeons or roll the awful, rigged loot table WGT chest, and I've been PvPing in MMOs for 20 years. Just imagine how someone new to PvP reacts.

IMO, IC is only good for 1 thing: early morning PvE telvar farming. For actual PvP it sucks big time.
Which is a shame, because I really like the graphical/visual design of the place.

blistb16_ESO

Sanctum74 wrote: »

So killing a player in a load screen is cheating and using dot based skills is exploiting? This thread just keeps getting better.

English being my third language I still know what the verb exploit mean, but surely not the same thing as you

Rave the Histborn

buttaface wrote: »

Just another example of a long list of gaping flaws in ESO's PvP design, cheat or not. I went in IC -once- saw what an absurd maze it is, went right back out, never back other than to get dungeons or roll the awful, rigged loot table WGT chest, and I've been PvPing in MMOs for 20 years. Just imagine how someone new to PvP reacts. I'm not going to waste my gaming time learning some ridiculous maze to PvP or learning a bunch of sidegames in BG to do it either.

The fundamental core of any good MMO PvP system is a simple, usually 4v4 random arena with no premades and very simple few maps. Hop in, fight. Hop out. Allows new players to PvP to learn in a relatively simple environment and allows busy working people to get some fast PvP fun in. It's how GW1 did it, and almost every game has gotten it wrong since including this one, always biting off more than they can chew. Same for Cyrodiil.

And this, folks, is why the zone is mostly empty other than a handful of gank Telvar farmers and an occasional guild zerg. No debate possible, it is a completely wasted zone and empty as a matter of fact and not opinion, so spare any PR soft shilling or fanboi WKing.

Imagine saying you've been pvping in MMOs for years but they suddenly add buildings in and you have no idea what to do anymore.

Edit spelling

Sanctum74

blistb16_ESO wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

So killing a player in a load screen is cheating and using dot based skills is exploiting? This thread just keeps getting better.

English being my third language I still know what the verb exploit mean, but surely not the same thing as you

Apparently you don't know what it means or you would not be accusing people of cheating or exploiting when they clearly were not. False accusations plaque this community, it's kinda sad.