Refine all temper drop rate

Tebari

With the new update I had been saving raw materials to refine all at once to save some time. What I have noticed is that the temper drop rate for the refine all is atrocious. Before the update, I was getting a gold temper at least once every 200 raw materials refined. With the refine all, a stack of 1.2k returned 2 gold tempers, a stack of 600, returned one, and a stack of 400 returned 0. The other tier tempers have a huge reduction as well. Has anyone else noticed this?

SirAndy

Same here ...

Mark my words, ZOS will "fix" this by nerfing drop rates for manual decon to "balance" the two. You heard it here first.

Kel

SirAndy wrote: »

Same here ...

Mark my words, ZOS will "fix" this by nerfing drop rates for manual decon to "balance" the two. You heard it here first.

I was coming to say this very thing.

What's sad is we all know its true... 🙄😑😖

zParallaxz

Lol

UrQuan

I found that there is actually a maximum number of refines that can be done at once - you do a total of 1000 refines at a time (10,000 raw mats refined). When doing maximum stacks of 1000 refines, I was getting about 50 golds per stack (lowest I got from a full stack was 42, the highest I got was 56). That works out to a %0.5 drop rate, which is the same drop rate as getting 1 gold per 200 raw mats.

Edit to add: that's based on doing 6 full stacks of 1000 refines (well, actually 5 full stacks of 1000 refines and 1 almost full stack of 880ish refines), so it's still not a huge sample size.

BahometZ

I can see them nerfing the refining drop rate simply to up the cost of doing business. Prices have been steadily dropping.

It's a buyers market atm.

All these events have flooded the market with mats, furnishings and motifs—which used to be good earners—things have never been cheaper.

redspecter23

Tebari wrote: »

With the new update I had been saving raw materials to refine all at once to save some time. What I have noticed is that the temper drop rate for the refine all is atrocious. Before the update, I was getting a gold temper at least once every 200 raw materials refined. With the refine all, a stack of 1.2k returned 2 gold tempers, a stack of 600, returned one, and a stack of 400 returned 0. The other tier tempers have a huge reduction as well. Has anyone else noticed this?

How can you possibly expect anything statistically significant with such a small number? That is the definition of small sample size. I refined over 30,000 raws today and saw approximately 1 in 200, same as it always has been.

Taleof2Cities

@redspecter23 is right.

There is no change in the drop rate.

It was heavily scrutinized on PTS by crafters all last month.

I don't expect players to follow every detail in PTS.

I do expect players to at least do a forums search before blindly starting a new thread.

Especially when proclaiming the drop rate is "wrong" due to their poor RNG on a small sample size.

idk

UrQuan wrote: »

I found that there is actually a maximum number of refines that can be done at once - you do a total of 1000 refines at a time (10,000 raw mats refined). When doing maximum stacks of 1000 refines, I was getting about 50 golds per stack (lowest I got from a full stack was 42, the highest I got was 56). That works out to a %0.5 drop rate, which is the same drop rate as getting 1 gold per 200 raw mats.

Edit to add: that's based on doing 6 full stacks of 1000 refines (well, actually 5 full stacks of 1000 refines and 1 almost full stack of 880ish refines), so it's still not a huge sample size.

I tend to refine over 10k raw matts in one batch and have always been pretty close to the known drop rates. I have not refined anything today.

Tebari

I knew I had a small sample size when I originally posted, so I tried refining more stacks and in different quantities. I was never able to get a gold temper when refining less than 200 raw materials at a time after many attempts. Between 200 and 1k, the drop rate seems kind of low. However, once I started refining more than 1k raw materials at a time, the drop rate seems to be more normal. I suppose my first time through was simply bad RNG with the 1.2k stack.
Thank you for the feedback everyone.