What Everyone Should Read...The Results of 3-Hour Long PTS PvE Raid: Healer Role At Risk?

  • BringerOfOmens
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    We are all assuming right now ZOS does not intend to all but render the healer class obsolete but maybe it is.
  • Gilvoth
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    Thank you for your work and study.
    as others said "a great break down of the changes.

    but things allways slightly different on "Live", lets wait for it to launch on live before actual proof of the new changes.
    in both pvp and pve.
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  • BennyButton
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    Good write up! I agree 100% with @code65536.
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  • Wolf_Watching
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    Gets rekt by stam. Reduces values to 1 hps. Still gets outdeeps'd and loses. Nerf yourself and l2p. <3
    Edited by Wolf_Watching on July 27, 2019 11:14PM
    For All Those Who Don’t Understand What Real Balancing is, or What The Word Buff Means in Video Games:
    Please just stop (with the nerfomancing). We are all sick of people like you, no offense. Just play the game w/o gear or armor. You are going to die and scream anyway.

    Otherwise I don’t mind helping you fix your build for either PvE or PvP. Just hit me up w/ a PM.
  • Bherdani
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    New group comp will be 1-3 tanks, 7-10 DPS, and a Bard ffs
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  • Jaimeh
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    Bherdani wrote: »
    New group comp will be 1-3 tanks, 7-10 DPS, and a Bard ffs

    Trial stam healing 2019 :smiley:
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  • ccfeeling
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    Finally someone posted the thing im seeking for since pts week 1

    Thanks.
  • bol
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    It is quite simple to save the healer role. Just add a third stat to the game called Healing Power (or something like that) and have all healing spells/skills scale of that and not of spell/weapon damage.
    Of course would need to revise some sets, add some more glyphs, etc... but then you would have a choice to either spec for damage or healing.
    As it is right now the more damage you have, the more healing you have, which is especially broken in PvP and goes against the policy where you should either spec for survivability or damage, but not get one for free with the other.
  • magicsprout
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    great idea like they changed spc and olo to courage buff incorporate the blessed cp with the healing % increases to another named buff . stops power creep making it a choice to run either full power heals or a dps heal hybid
  • zvavi
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    Guys what are you talking about, this is the time to have a necro buff monk... I mean healer, necro stamina healer.
    Edit: hircines and scavaging
    Edited by zvavi on July 28, 2019 1:00PM
  • Hotdog_23
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    I agree restoration staff heals should be stronger and considered " rule breaker" because it requires a specific weapon unlike all other heals in the game. Sure some heals are available in other weapon lines but those weapons are primarily for damage.

    Would increasing resto heals by 25% make a different in these hard runs? Give resto skills higher heals then the current standards set forth. I know in PVP areas this would not work so just change the formula for battle spirit. I see a lot of suggestion for applying things in battle spirit but it never seems to happen for apparently a reason. Just make the extra healing given (25%) a passive giving automatically and disable that passive in PVP areas so you don't have to change the Battle spirit formula.

    Personally I don't really have a problem/issue with the way healing is moving. I think that with increased healing it helps the causal and new player. One Tank and 3 dps have been a thing for a long time in dungeons. Even 4 dps has been also. The sky is not falling for healing except in new harder content ZOS has created with the current changes.

    Again I want to state as I have said before vigor should be moved to the fighters guild skill line.
  • RebornV3x
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    saw most of the video ZOS needs to rethink these upcoming changes.
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  • BroddFletcher
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    I think these changes will be felt most strongly in random dungeons. Not an area of concern I know for high end, end content players, but for a healer going into even normal dungeons, trying to support the tank while the low DPS DDs run around like the headless chicken, being unable to put out multiple orbs or HS will make it significantly more difficult to keep them up and clear.

    And while it's possible to argue they should all "git gude", the fact is that random dungeons ARE "end game content" for a very large group of people.
  • Demra
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    Well considering that there is an overflow of DDs in the game to the point you have to queue for an hour i guess overall the changes are not too bad. If majority will see improvement in the queue time and so on, its worth the sacrifice for "the greater good". (I am no dd, i like support roles)
    *i might've misunderstood the changes though, still noob.

    But, i am also sad for the healers as its such a noble profession and people enjoy being supportive. I hope there will be more balance in this regard and healers will be very desired but not required to balance the DD population.
    Edited by Demra on July 28, 2019 6:42PM
  • darkblue5
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    These are basically all the suggestions, right?
    1. Nerf DD self heals, or
    2. Make Vigors/Rings not stack, or
    3. Give healers another expensive group DPS boosting spammable, or
    4. Healing specific stat, or
    5. Revert the changes and make the heals to others in PvP get cut in some way


    I'd prefer 2 or 4. 4 has no chance of happening I'd figure. 2 would let stam healers be a thing in dungeons and wouldn't let stam dps put out so much healing.
  • Saril_Durzam
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    We need option 1 or there will be a big difference between classes that can heal well (staminas with Vigor, Templars) and those who dont.

    For the healers be worthy, we need others need healing and not being able to cope with it in group situations.

  • SirDopey
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    For my 2 cents:

    sounds like restro passives need to be reworked so that healing done, ultimate gained and buff durations are increased with a restro staff equipped.

    Said passive is then removed by battle spirit......
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  • Sanguinor2
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    Yeah that was kinda what I was afraid off after reading the patch notes About healing changes. Maybe 1 healer will be replaced by a magplar dd with zen´s+martial that places ritual and uses the healing orbs and POTL? :/
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  • Iskiab
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    Couple things:
    - you guys haven’t optimized your group around the changes
    - Echoing vigor doesn’t stack (or so I’m told)
    - Dps can easily slot the damaging morph of orbs since the damage is on par/better then other aoe attacks

    I think the game will change more then you guys think. It’ll be a larger rework of the meta then using the same abilities.
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  • brandoncoffmannub18_ESO
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    Iskiab wrote: »
    Couple things:
    - you guys haven’t optimized your group around the changes
    - Echoing vigor doesn’t stack (or so I’m told)
    - Dps can easily slot the damaging morph of orbs since the damage is on par/better then other aoe attacks

    I think the game will change more then you guys think. It’ll be a larger rework of the meta then using the same abilities.

    It's not about what's meta it's about the healer being a useless role, meta is a whole other issue with class skills and some abilities being useless and identities.
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  • Wolf_Watching
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    We need option 1 or there will be a big difference between classes that can heal well (staminas with Vigor, Templars) and those who dont.

    For the healers be worthy, we need others need healing and not being able to cope with it in group situations.

    How about healers adapt and stop trying to finish off whats left of solo and smaller content. I dont want to have to rely on people to get thru everything I want to do. When I as a DPS can no longer carry people thru vDSA for example without having a professional healer with me, then its time to hang it up.

    Fact is resto healing-only- needs to heal twice is current values and give more buffs and be labeled as the exception.
    For All Those Who Don’t Understand What Real Balancing is, or What The Word Buff Means in Video Games:
    Please just stop (with the nerfomancing). We are all sick of people like you, no offense. Just play the game w/o gear or armor. You are going to die and scream anyway.

    Otherwise I don’t mind helping you fix your build for either PvE or PvP. Just hit me up w/ a PM.
  • dcam86b14_ESO
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    As a healer, I will report everyone who tries to kick me from a dungeon. Bet
  • Ozby
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    As a healer, I will report everyone who tries to kick me from a dungeon. Bet

    I'm going to call this patch Volendrung the hammer!
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  • Ashtaris
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    Ozby wrote: »
    As a healer, I will report everyone who tries to kick me from a dungeon. Bet

    I'm going to call this patch Volendrung the hammer!

    I’m calling it Ballbreaker instead of Scalebreaker :)
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