How much spell damage does magicka give you?

malistorr

I read some old posts about how magicka used to give people a spell damage point for about every 40 points of magicka. Then, if the posts are correct, it went to about 1:10.5. Meaning for every 10.5 magicka increase your spell damage would go up 1. A couple of nights ago I wanted to test this, as I'm trying to build the best mag sorc dps I can. I removed all my gear and equipped just 1 item that gave 840 magicka I think from an enchant. My spell damage only went up 10-points! So basically for every 84-points in magicka increase I only got 1 point in spell damage increase. I was wondering if this was a recent change and if anyone else is seeing the same results? Where can I find an official description of how magicka affects spell damage both for the current patch and the one coming? (In case it's changing) Thanks in advance for any feedback. If magicka does not give a significant amount of spell damage, then it seems like a better option for dps on a mag sorc would be magicka enchant on all armo with maybe thief or apprentice mundus stone in all divine traits instead of magicka enchants on the big pieces of armor with infused (to give even more max magicka). The DPS would be better getting the max out of the spell damage or spell crit mundus stones rather than trying to add another several hundred to couple thousand max magicka?

Unified_Gaming

The 10.5 is the average it gives but each skill has a different coefficient meaning the 10.5 will vary skill to skill. As such, it's usually treated as a general rule and other scaling factors will impact this too such as cp, buffs etc. For your mag sorc, they have a stronger coefficient with max stat than spell damage but it does get diminishing returns beyond 43k. Usually you want max magicka and mundus stone varies based on crit chance. High crit then use thief. Hope that helps.
Dan

p00tx

In PvE, you do actually want all divines on a non pet sorc. Pet dmg currently scales from your max mag though, so adding mag is the way to go with that one (better to use necropotence than wasting traits on infused though). Barring having access to the necropotence set, you'd go with infused on big pieces for a pet sorc. Your character sheet is also not the best place to get a gauge for how much dmg you can do. Look at how your max mag affects your skill tooltips instead, and run a rotation on the 3 million HP dummy to get a better idea of what your actual extended output will be (or use combat metrics if your're on PC).


I'm not a Mag Sorc main, so I could be totally off base here, but this is what I've gathered while playing one.

Iskiab

You’re looking at it wrong. Magicka doesn’t give spell damage, the damage of abilities scale from your magicka and spell damage pool independently.

The damage of abilities increase at the same rate from 1 sp as from adding 10.5 magicka.

Everything else past this point is class specific; some benefit more from crit, some sp and some magicka due to CPs, class passives, and typical skill combinations for that class.

zvavi

Iskiab wrote: »

The damage of abilities increase at the same rate from 1 sp as from adding 10.5 magicka.

What he said

validifyedneb18_ESO

actual calculation is

damage = A * WepDamage + B * MaxStamina

or SpellDamage and MaxMagicka for magic scaling spells

A and B are coefficients specific to each spell, and, as you may have worked out by now, Mean(A/B)~=10.5

In general, just multiply damage by 10, add it to your maxstat, and you have a rough indicator of your builds total "power"

MentalxHammer

The 40:1 ratio that you remember regards the calculation for light and heavy attack damage.

malistorr

Does Iskiab's comment apply to lightning staff heavy attack as well? If I increase max magicka by 10.5 would my staff heavy attack damge increase the same amount as if I added 1 spell damage, or is it 40:1 for that now, or some other ratio?

If it is 40:1 then obviously people who want max staff heavy attack damage should go will all divines trains on all armor (with magicka enchants) and use the apprentice for mundus. I imagine this would affect overall heavy attack damage with a staff more than going mage mundus or even thief or shadow. I don't know if there's any way to know without testing. Is there a reliable build calculator that's not horribly complicated to use where you can compare what your staff heavy attack damage would be when you for example change mundus, CP, traits, etc.?

Iskiab

@malistorr I’d check out esowiki, you can plug in your build to figure out how your tooltips end up and it has all the stat weights.

In terms of heavy attacks... I have no idea. 10.5 mag = 1 sp is pretty consistent for abilities, but I don’t know about light or heavy attacks.

WrathOfInnos

They changed light and heavy attacks to also obey the 10.5:1 a few patches ago.

If you want to find out exact scaling for any skill the data is all here: https://esoitem.uesp.net/viewSkillCoef.php

Edit: The only skill I can think of with higher than 10.5:1 ratio is Sorcerer mines, which scale mostly from Spell Damage with a 20:1 ratio. There are also some skills that only use Max Resources for damage and ignore Spell/Weapon damage, like Sorcerer pets, Templar backlash, and some damage shields.