Do you want to see the balance team run vet trials on the PTS?

MLGProPlayer

Given that @ZOS_BrianWheeler says that his balance team has a "vision" for the game, I wanted to see that vision in action.

Who else would like to see the balance team at ZOS run vSS, vCR, vAS, and vHoF on the PTS? Show us how great your vision is guys! I want to see how much fun you'll be having. I'm sure it'll be a lot of fun.

I'd also love to see all the classes represented on your team. Some DK healers, some NB tanks, some magicka warden DDs. Show us how great this balance patch is at creating class parity!

Uryel

Yes

I would also like to see them run a basic shoplifting run in any town with a Bosmer thief. I would like to see their parse on a stam nightblade solo-ing a public dungeon.

Maybe they're reconsider their racial "balance" and "we have spread the utility over more skills" nonsense.

TheUndeadAmulet

Yes

Yeah lets see it! I'm assuming since the devs made such far reaching changes they must know the meta and game intimately enough to easily clear at least the new DLC dungeons on vet and some vet trials. It would be great for them to show us how its done!

Mitrenga

Yes

Meanwhile the balance team.

Turelus

No

Not really, as I said in another thread I don't think it would give a clear indication of the systems.

I would rather see player trials guilds of various levels play it and see if they can still clear the content and where the issues are. They're the ones with hundreds of hours of gameplay invested into trials to gain the knowledge and skill not the devs.

Asking devs to play content is just a gotcha so people can go "well devs can't do it, so it's bad game design"

LoreToo

Yes

Just for fun-yes. They didnt complete hmMoS, so......
Anyway, it will be only funshow, showing nothing

essi2

Yes

Yes, but only because I would like ZOS to have a gameplay stream independent of ESO Live.

Similar to what other Zeni studios do with FO76 and Prey.

Kadoin

Yes

But only IF they include me on the PTS as healer and vow not to nerf what I do

Rerum

Yes

Pretty sure they have no clue what game is and how to play it. Game for them just numbers that "must be in balance". So it will be fun to see.

Darkenarlol

Yes

a full 40-60 min stream of wipes on 1st boss

definitely worth a big bucket of popcorn

ezio45

Yes

Yup. Id also like that group to consist of only madgen, magblade, nonpet magsorc dd's

really really doubt any of the devs play any mag characters other than to test out skills

danara

Yes

That the same post i did yesterday, it is still a yes for me, because it is clear that their team and the players have completely différent problematic and i want to highlight that

I also think that they should hired a team of competitive players Who know the game and can give them constructive and neutral feedback on how the changes they are proposing could affect the game considering is current state

vCR+3 execute phase and vHoF HM execute phase with the current pts healing springs ? I would love to see how they can deal with such incoming damage...

They say "we want to reduce the out heal" but dude... CR execute phase is about to out heal... They clearly have a lake of communications between the team (no offense ZOS, i know it s not easy !)

redlink1979

Yes

I'd like to see their testers, at least, running vCR+3 now.

Sanguinor2

Yes

It´d be Pretty entertaining but it wouldnt Show much since they very likely wouldnt clear those Trials on live either.

GeorgeBlack

I want to see them PvP prime time PC EU in chalman and brk

Donny_Vito

Yes

Turelus wrote: »

Not really, as I said in another thread I don't think it would give a clear indication of the systems.

I would rather see player trials guilds of various levels play it and see if they can still clear the content and where the issues are. They're the ones with hundreds of hours of gameplay invested into trials to gain the knowledge and skill not the devs.

Asking devs to play content is just a gotcha so people can go "well devs can't do it, so it's bad game design"

I'd like to see the Dev Run 2019 for the fun of it, but this quote is spot on. This is supposed to be the purpose of the PTS: real players run the same trials again and give feedback about how the respective changes affect them. But the problem with the PTS.....well that's a different thread.

srfrogg23

No

I would probably be as lost as them. "They seem to be doing ok and they're having fun. Only a few deaths here and there but no major roadblocks. I don't know why people wanted to see this so much. /shrug"

Meanwhile, min/maxers and parsers are losing their minds, "OMG DIDN'T YOU GUYS SEE THE MAG DK DID 5% LESS DPS THAN THE MAGBLADE??!?! WHY AREN'T YOU FIXING THIS??! COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE THAT THE BALANCE TEAM WON'T FIX THEIR GAME!!!!"

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

No

no, they dont have to cuz they know what they are doing...people need to stop being little !#$%es and adapt...eso is finally taking a step towards the right direction regarding tanks and healers since this is the only mmo I ever played who made tanks and healers the dps buff !#$%^es with no actual reason to ever use anything defensive at all...finally that its going to change.

therift

No

I'm not interested in the Combat Team's ability to clear a vet Trial.

I am, however, extremely interested in Hodor's opinion.

When I want a professional assessment, I ask a professional.


Do you want your brain surgery performed by a top neurosurgeon, or by the engineer who designed the surgical instruments?

Sephyr

Yes

Considering how the game is having an identity crisis? Yeah. They need to start playing their own game more. I don't care about parses, but I do care about the integrity of group/guild stability in progression runs and the fact that there's an overwhelming amount of bugs that they'd rather put off for future content instead of fixing.

rotaugen454

Yes

srfrogg23 wrote: »

I would probably be as lost as them. "They seem to be doing ok and they're having fun. Only a few deaths here and there but no major roadblocks. I don't know why people wanted to see this so much. /shrug"

Meanwhile, min/maxers and parsers are losing their minds, "OMG DIDN'T YOU GUYS SEE THE MAG DK DID 5% LESS DPS THAN THE MAGBLADE??!?! WHY AREN'T YOU FIXING THIS??! COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE THAT THE BALANCE TEAM WON'T FIX THEIR GAME!!!!"

The point people are making is that they wouldn’t clear it, not that they do 5% less DPS. They would be a better indicator of the majority of the player base, as opposed to elite trial guilds that have been working together for years.

Lady_Rosabella

Yes and without the little cheats/codes that they use when they do a live stream. I want to see them do it with only the gear, gold food, potions, and skills that we all use in the game.

Pevey

Yes

Whether it’s dev team or testers, I don’t care. Just someone who works at zos. Let’s see it.

Pallio

Yes

People are parsing too high on DPS, healing is too easy.. FIXED

Now only Elite trial guild can final the new content, perfect.

GrumpyDuckling

Yes

...and I want to see them doing it in true "play as you like" fashion. Bow + Resto hybrid with attribute points split up.

kylewwefan

Yes

This game has a very strange flavor to it. Groups either crush content to their will, easily bending it into submission. Or they struggle and struggle and want to throw in the towel and aren’t good enough.

There’s not much in between.

So the devs would either crush it so hard they would be accused of cheating, or they would fail. So they wouldn’t have so much to gain from demonstrating how awesome they are.

John_Falstaff

Yes

srfrogg23 wrote: »

I would probably be as lost as them. "They seem to be doing ok and they're having fun. Only a few deaths here and there but no major roadblocks. I don't know why people wanted to see this so much. /shrug"

Meanwhile, min/maxers and parsers are losing their minds, "OMG DIDN'T YOU GUYS SEE THE MAG DK DID 5% LESS DPS THAN THE MAGBLADE??!?! WHY AREN'T YOU FIXING THIS??! COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE THAT THE BALANCE TEAM WON'T FIX THEIR GAME!!!!"

Only a few deaths. Totally like in that dev run at vMoS HM. Totally nobody wiping hard and cursing "f&[email protected] you strangler" right on live stream. ^^

John_Falstaff

Yes

I'm all for it. ^^

Not for proof of anything, granted. Not because it'll indicate something. They're not obliged to be good players. But I'd simply want them to squirm a little for not listening to good players (which they have aplenty), even though I know they won't start doing it after the fact.

To think of it, I wouldn't even mind it happening now on live. I don't need nerfed Springs and orbs to enjoy hearing "f$#@ you dragon" when invisible, non-telegraphed bugged ice from Thurvokun would hit devs into ghost walls, pretty fun in my book. They could make it our weekly show for those six weeks until we have AoE bugs fixed, not running those bugged dungeons ourselves gives us plenty of free time to watch them playing. ^^

Kadoin

Yes

therift wrote: »

I'm not interested in the Combat Team's ability to clear a vet Trial.

I am, however, extremely interested in Hodor's opinion.

When I want a professional assessment, I ask a professional.


Do you want your brain surgery performed by a top neurosurgeon, or by the engineer who designed the surgical instruments?

Some of the engineers are, in fact, neurosurgeons and train other surgeons though. So...

Huyen

To the OP: so you want a group of people to be coordinated in a vet trial, where guilds take weeks, if not months to be adjusted to each other just this once? I see your point but what you are asking is not doable. Asking for a fail for the sake of the fail is insane.

Jaimeh

Yes

Yes, for the entertainment value, but it would be more meaningful and informative to watch an experienced raiding group tackling veteran content on the PTS to see how the new changes affect fights compared to live counterparts