Begin your life of crime...

abigfishy

Most of my characters also refuse to join the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild as well although the game has "tricked" some into joining just by going to the zone or accidentally clicking on a trove. what you should do is just create one alt that is utterly evil. Get that one toon to do all your bad things and your main characters can deny all knowledge as they will never actually meet them!

VaranisArano

TheShadowScout wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

The Morag Tong are the Dunmer branch of the Dark Brotherhood...

Other way around.
The Dark Brotherhood are the less self-limiting offspring of the Morag Tong.

But yeah, its just a different shade of assassins grey. Like mentioned, one with a -bit- more limitations, a -bit- more rules and ritual... but in the end, still murder.

commodore64 wrote: »

If all the animals, creatures and 'bad guys' you're killing in quests/on the way to quests aren't deserving it, i.e. fitting your idea of justice, then you're just a murderer anyway aren't you?

Hey! They aggroed my poor innocent librarian boy -first-! It was elf defense!

What? My other main? Yeah, she is a murderer, no question about it. Vakar Morghulis! No, wait, wrong universe...

And my orc paladin... anyone aggroing on her tends to be ruled as "suicide" by the authorities...

You are right, I got them mixed up. Oops!

max_only

Hey where did they say mid year Mayhem is cancelled?

Jaraal

VaranisArano wrote: »

The Dark Brotherhood will murder you if someone appeals to the Night Mother and pays for it.

The Morag Tong will murder you legally if a wealthy Dunmer noble makes it sound good and foots the bill.

The Dark Brotherhood harvests souls for Sithis, when someone performs the Black Sacrament. There is no payment involved in performing a Sacrament.

The Morag Tong are political assassins who Mephala uses to keep the Great Houses in check. And their writs are paid for with gold.

Jaraal

max_only wrote: »

Hey where did they say mid year Mayhem is cancelled?

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/47354/~/will-there-be-a-midyear-mayhem-event-in-2019

peacenote

My favorite story growing up was Robin Hood.

To me all of TG and DB are just versions of Robin Hood from my character's perspective. Bringing justice to the poor and downtrodden and fighting "the man" by working around the system.

I suppose "truly good" characters would not embrace some of the quest lines, especially the DB ones, but just because there is a death contract out there for someone for possibly a petty reason doesn't mean your good character can't find the underlying reason that person needs to die and choose to implement that contract for their own vigilante reasons.

VaranisArano

Jaraal wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

The Dark Brotherhood will murder you if someone appeals to the Night Mother and pays for it.

The Morag Tong will murder you legally if a wealthy Dunmer noble makes it sound good and foots the bill.

The Dark Brotherhood harvests souls for Sithis, when someone performs the Black Sacrament. There is no payment involved in performing a Sacrament.

The Morag Tong are political assassins who Mephala uses to keep the Great Houses in check. And their writs are paid for with gold.

I guess I missed getting paid with a plate and an amulet of the Elder Council in Skyrim...

MartiniDaniels

This is The Elder Scroll game. Long before internet community start preying for "grey" games, TES was already grey - murder and theft were extremely profitable, if you are not caught - i.e. same as IRL. Btw, ESO not so good in this, crafting writs are more profitable then theft and murder, which is obviously bad design solution.

Jawshoeuh

logarifmik wrote: »

This recent post reminded me how crime-oriented this game is.

Can we begin a life of justice for a change, please? Am I alone not very fond of murderers and thieves? I think, the one who's not into crime stuff should have better options, than just completely ignore a big part of the game content.

JumpmanLane

Hail Sithis! I’m gonna kill and kill some more during that event. I’m even gonna kill all the people I pickpocket in the thieves guild. Straight up love DB. I’m gonna wear my Black Hand robes and everything!

Mother sweet Mother is gonna be real happy with her cutest lil killer.

dem0n1k wrote: »

See Thogard's hilarious streams where he role plays a cop in Cyrodiil during the PVP event.

FOR JUSTICE! (in a gravelly voice)

I saw him standing on Alessia Bridge all by himself once. And I thought, “Why is this fool standing on Alessia Bridge all by himself like he can just stand on Alessia Bridge all by himself.”

Well I rode past and the dummy attacked me. I chased that fool all around that bridge. I WAS gonna tbag him but thought better of it. Perhaps he learned something lol.

SirMewser

logarifmik wrote: »

This recent post reminded me how crime-oriented this game is.

Can we begin a life of justice for a change, please? Am I alone not very fond of murderers and thieves? I think, the one who's not into crime stuff should have better options, than just completely ignore a big part of the game content.

In my life of crime, me, my winged twilight and babies terrorize; the markets, the crafters, the bankers, and mingle in the biggest of crowds!

Some may call us the scissor sisters, the flappy ladies, or the molag balls.

We speak gossip of icky people who complain about us being at the banks, especially those days when we invite our own personal banker to the bank.

We will poke your eyeball with our tongues, fart into your mouths, and fly away~

Fear us

Zacuel

I remember beating a hooker repeatedly with a baseball bat on GTA.

So comparatively speaking this isn't so bad.

Kotusha

Uryel wrote: »

Give me the Morag Tong any day. The religion of senseless murder and criminal bigotry is boring AF.

Implying MT is not religious. And they don't have Mephala's symbol on their banner.

barney2525

logarifmik wrote: »

This recent post reminded me how crime-oriented this game is.

Can we begin a life of justice for a change, please? Am I alone not very fond of murderers and thieves? I think, the one who's not into crime stuff should have better options, than just completely ignore a big part of the game content.

There is no justice


There is Just Us

OrdoHermetica

Jaraal wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

The Dark Brotherhood will murder you if someone appeals to the Night Mother and pays for it.

The Morag Tong will murder you legally if a wealthy Dunmer noble makes it sound good and foots the bill.

The Dark Brotherhood harvests souls for Sithis, when someone performs the Black Sacrament. There is no payment involved in performing a Sacrament.

...huh? The Black Sacrament summons the Dark Brotherhood to you to discuss terms. You absolutely pay them for the service, and it's both expected and pretty much always required. That's been the case in every game so far, including a little kid in Skyrim trying to pay you to kill the orphanage woman.

bmnoble

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

My thief already has 100k+ bounty.

Event will change nothing for me.

Why does he leave the guards a hint to his identity after every crime

Salvas_Aren

bmnoble wrote: »

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

My thief already has 100k+ bounty.

Event will change nothing for me.

Why does he leave the guards a hint to his identity after every crime

Because "last witness killed" works not so well.

logarifmik

Taunky wrote: »

Go roleplay then.

I do. It's a massively multiplayer online ROLE-PLAYING game, no?

TheShadowScout wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

Can we begin a life of justice for a change, please?

And I really would LOVE to see some "Either-Or" guild uptions in that regard.
I mean, I would have loved to have the option back then too, get two stories for the TG or DB DLC... but alas, that is not how it went.
Despite that missed chance, I still would -love- to see them remove all TG memberships from anyone who has NOT completed the TG intro quest, and instead give those who did not join the thieves an other option - and join some "Enforcers Guild" instead.
Like: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/387560/additional-guild-ideas-mk-ii

VaranisArano wrote: »

What are you thinking of?

Originally ZOS had a bounty system planned out for players to take part in, but they couldnt figure out how to prevent people from using it to troll and,grief other players.

I heard rumors about so-called bounty system. It's pity, that they haven't figured out how to make it work, but what I mean is different. I speak about lack of the alternative content for lawful characters. For now you either ignore DB and TG or dive into it, starting a life of crime, as they said.

Lets take for example DB questline. First you meet some weird girl, who supply you with rumor about DB in Gold Coast region. To draw their attention you must kill someone in Anvil. Just for fun, without a good enough reason. After this cold blooded crime Speaker Terenus want to have a word with you and so on, the questline starts.

But how about an alternative way to proceed with the situation taking place on Gold Coast? The driving conflict of the questline is confrontation of radical Akatosh followings and Dark Brotherhood, which is a result of Primate Artorius political ambitions. What about putting it this way? Let us assume, that there is another strong political leader on the Gold Coast. We even have two of them, Governor Fortunata ap Dugal and Count Carolus Aquilarios. Each of them not very fond of growing influence of the local church, I presume? So, as alternative Vestige could serve one of them, instead of becoming a bloody assassin in the local sect. The alternative questline could be done even more interesting with all these political games going on. At least, that's how I see it.

Regarding skill lines and achievements, I'm sure there is some way to put it right as MMO mechanics demand. That is not the main problem, anyway. Story is what makes any role-playing game interesting.

YaYaPineapple wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

Can we begin a life of justice for a change, please?

Do you mean 90% of the game where you play the Hero of Tamriel, fighting daedric princes, stopping the planemeld, rescuing people, fighting plagues created by evil-doers, fighting "evil cultists", making peace between opposing factions, bringing them together to fight for a common cause, fighting dragons, saving Elsweyr, righting various wrongs and basically saving the day, every day, for everyone?

And that is the problem. One day you save people of Vivec, next day you slaughter each of them several times to get motif pages. This Vestige have bipolar disorder, no less.

commodore64 wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

This recent post reminded me how crime-oriented this game is.

Can we begin a life of justice for a change, please? Am I alone not very fond of murderers and thieves? I think, the one who's not into crime stuff should have better options, than just completely ignore a big part of the game content.

If all the animals, creatures and 'bad guys' you're killing in quests/on the way to quests aren't deserving it, i.e. fitting your idea of justice, then you're just a murderer anyway aren't you?

Sophist detected. Carry on.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

I mean, I have some ruthless characters who would murder anything from harmless granny to a baby in the cradle if the price was right... but I also have some lawful good characters who would not touch any 'crime' if their life depended on it! (And get severely vexed by the fact that they are stuck with a mandatory TG membership for visiting abahs langing to grab skyshards...)

As do I. My main character even have a fancy story which brought him on the wrong side of law. But as I said, it's a pity, that if you want to role-play a lawful character, you forced to ignore quite a big part of the quest content for good. Also, it's quite a drawback, that you don't have an option to tell, what you really think about this bloody Dunmer lot, Naryu Virian and her cursed protege Veya Releth. Or, by the Eight, Lady Clarisse Laurent, the most disgusting exploiter of the man force on the whole Nirn.

KMarble

logarifmik wrote: »

I heard rumors about so-called bounty system. It's pity, that they haven't figured out how to make it work

At this point in time there is not enough technology available to prevent human malice. If there was, there would be no internet trolls.

logarifmik wrote: »

But as I said, it's a pity, that if you want to role-play a lawful character, you forced to ignore quite a big part of the quest content for good. Also, it's quite a drawback, that you don't have an option to tell, what you really think about this bloody Dunmer lot, Naryu Virian and her cursed protege Veya Releth. Or, by the Eight, Lady Clarisse Laurent, the most disgusting exploiter of the man force on the whole Nirn.

We don't have many choices in the game, we only have the illusion of choice. The first time I did a quest for Lady Clarisse I chose to tell her to touch a cursed item. Just to see poor Stibbons get the short end of the stick in her place.

I wanted to (at least) punch that Argonian who used me to become a Telvanni. I wish there was an option to tell other NPCs what she was doing and turn against her, but I didn't have that choice. I would be happy if the game at least gave me an option to tell her to go for a long walk on a short pier or something.

logarifmik

KMarble wrote: »

We don't have many choices in the game, we only have the illusion of choice. The first time I did a quest for Lady Clarisse I chose to tell her to touch a cursed item. Just to see poor Stibbons get the short end of the stick in her place.

My thought exactly. Even when we are able to choose at some point, the consquences of these choices are almost the same. Sure, there could be a good enough lore explanatation for this. The fatum or invisible hand of Molag Bal himself leads poor Vestige all over his journey, and he is just a pawn in the chess played by Daedra Princes, so there is no real choice for him, only the illusion of choice, provided by the grandmaster just to amuse himself, but know what? It's lame.

KMarble wrote: »

I wanted to (at least) punch that Argonian who used me to become a Telvanni. I wish there was an option to tell other NPCs what she was doing and turn against her, but I didn't have that choice. I would be happy if the game at least gave me an option to tell her to go for a long walk on a short pier or something.

Suppliers from the Murkmire prologue quest line are the worst bunch, in my opinion. I was so disgusted by those daily quests, that even stopped playing TESO for a while. Pshaw!