Are you running molten whip on YOUR PvP Stam dk?

DecentGnostico

Recently, I swapped venomous claw for molten whip on my bar, the new changes that allow a stack of 135 weapon and spell damage for 5 seconds, paired with noxious breath's initial hit buff, I've found that it really helps burst and heals as a Stam dk, especially since I use cauterize.
As a dizzy swing dk, noxious breath followed by dizzy into another noxious is really bursty, and adding a leap and execute is almost overkill.
Molten whip's stack is really easy to keep at 3 in combat, so I'd like to know which you prefer, venomous or molten.

Vermethys

I play a DoT, Reverb, and Heroic Slash spam StamDk so bar-space is sort of limited. I'm not sure It'd be good for me since I keep Noxious on my back-bar and use it mainly to keep up fracture or reveal NBs. I can see how Molten Whip would be good on burst oriented StamDK with Dizzying Swing though.

DecentGnostico

Vermethys wrote: »

I play a DoT, Reverb, and Heroic Slash spam StamDk so bar-space is sort of limited. I'm not sure It'd be good for me since I keep Noxious on my back-bar and use it mainly to keep up fracture or reveal NBs. I can see how Molten Whip would be good on burst oriented StamDK with Dizzying Swing though.

I heard rumors that sword and board may get hit with a nerf, so maybe keep the Dizzying Swing in mind. But yea, it is very nice and noxious breath is the closest thing we have ever had to a real spammable.

Demra

That really interesting idea. I was thinking of trying something similar but haven't played dk yet post wings nerf.
Can you explain a bit how those stacking works? It adds damage only to noxious breath is that correct?

DecentGnostico

Demra wrote: »

That really interesting idea. I was thinking of trying something similar but haven't played dk yet post wings nerf.
Can you explain a bit how those stacking works? It adds damage only to noxious breath is that correct?

No, you get a flat 135 weapon and spell damage that stacks 3 times, up to 405, increasing all damage. So, I removed venomous claw and replaced it with molten whip, so that each time I cast noxious, I get a stack, and with the increased noxious damage, there is actually a reason to spam it:) . Plus it helps with healing as if you use cauterize, that spell dmg will boost the heal.

Demra

Interesting. But does it mean they all 3 need to be one the same skill bar? So you have to keep noxious breath and the whip on same skill bar? But will the damage transfer to your next skill bar?
Also didnt they change how dots works now, that they don't tick for like 2 second after applying? So casting noxious breath too often will delay the dot, no?

DecentGnostico

Demra wrote: »

Interesting. But does it mean they all 3 need to be one the same skill bar? So you have to keep noxious breath and the whip on same skill bar? But will the damage transfer to your next skill bar?
Also didnt they change how dots works now, that they don't tick for like 2 second after applying? So casting noxious breath too often will delay the dot, no?

The damage does transfer bars, however it only lasts 5 secs, I imagine if you ran a dual wield dot dk you could slot all three, but as a dizzy swing burst build I was cut for room, able to only slot noxious paired with whip, I decided on noxious because of its good initial damage and aoe major fracture. No, as long as lava whip is morphed to molten whip and slotted on a bar containing another ardent flame ability, the damage stack will activate. Yes the 2 second tick does get delayed upon spamming, so i combo my attacks with the timer, waiting 3-4 seconds before another cast, regardless it doesn't matter, as the damage the initial hit provides is sufficient. Getting the stacks is very easy.

Cortimi

In a word: no.
In many words: stamDK is a dumpster fire of gimmicks. Seriously, just give DK a Stam based spammable, like a normal class. This is why I switched to stamplar.

Firstmep

Cauterise now scales with your highest stats so the spell damage does nothing for you(the wpd does tho).

DecentGnostico

Cortimi wrote: »

In a word: no.
In many words: stamDK is a dumpster fire of gimmicks. Seriously, just give DK a Stam based spammable, like a normal class. This is why I switched to stamplar.

Can you expand on what you mean by "gimmicks"?