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Mag or Stam Necro for PvP
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So I'll have the chapter tomorrow and only got 1 space left ( until I decide to buy more ) but dunno what version to make, it will mostly be for organised group play ( Non CP )
I know both will have their differences but seeing Stamcro's killing full groups with Bash but no doubt that will be nerfed HARD the time I get round to trying it and have a little fun
I know both will have their differences but seeing Stamcro's killing full groups with Bash but no doubt that will be nerfed HARD the time I get round to trying it and have a little fun
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✭✭✭Mag Necro has a very long L2P curve which I and most players are still on
And I mean the real mag necros not the ones with a front bar consisting of 1 or 2 mag necro skills max and the rest coming from other skill lines
Stam necro looks like a typical stamina copy and paste style just with different skills so the L2P curve is a lot lower.
Basically if you want a challenge and want to create your own unique style then go for mag necro. If you want it easier and want to use the formula that most stam classes go for then go for stam necro3 -
Urvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Mag necro is a complete meme in PvP so I'd def say go for stam. The class has pretty much no damage outside of the ult so unless you want to play an ult dumping bot playstyle, don't play mag.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Mag necro is a complete meme in PvP so I'd def say go for stam. The class has pretty much no damage outside of the ult so unless you want to play an ult dumping bot playstyle, don't play mag.
I do this on my Sorc but she is Stam so I can at least be helpful with rapids etc, I kinda like playing this char since I can dump out negates every 30-45 seconds0 -
Cernow✭✭✭✭I have levelled a Stamcro (2h/bow) to 41 and a Magcro (Dest/Rest) to 34, both exclusively in non-50 / no CP Cyrodiil.
Of the two, I prefer the Stamcro for solo, small scale and general group play. For zerging both are ok, but the Stamcro is still more fun, more mobile and and higher dps. The Magcro tends to get pushed into a support and healing role, which it does fine at but other classes do better.
What I would say is that the Stamcro plays as a typical stamina class, it doesn't feel very unique but this does avoid some of the weaknesses of the class as a whole. The Magcro has a bit more of a unique feel, but sadly this only goes to shine a bright light on the shortcomings of the class.
So if you've just one slot left, I'd recommend a Stamcro and enjoy the Goliath ultimate before they inevitably nerf it.
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✭✭✭✭✭Mag Necro has a very long L2P curve which I and most players are still on
And I mean the real mag necros not the ones with a front bar consisting of 1 or 2 mag necro skills max and the rest coming from other skill lines
Stam necro looks like a typical stamina copy and paste style just with different skills so the L2P curve is a lot lower.
Basically if you want a challenge and want to create your own unique style then go for mag necro. If you want it easier and want to use the formula that most stam classes go for then go for stam necro
no need to write anything more...this is it right here...PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If you wanna be a mini lesser sorc be mag necro
If you wanna have a chance of doing well, go Stam necro1 -
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I just have a hard time believing you. I'm also sure I'm gonna get a, "you haven't unlocked the true potential" type speech; which makes me wonder why even make the original comment in the first place?
Care to share with us what makes you think differently?3 -
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✭✭✭✭I'm just wondering if any of the devs actually play any mag class?
Magden? It's poo.
Magcro? It's poo.
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david_m_18b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Mag Necro has a very long L2P curve which I and most players are still on
And I mean the real mag necros not the ones with a front bar consisting of 1 or 2 mag necro skills max and the rest coming from other skill lines
Stam necro looks like a typical stamina copy and paste style just with different skills so the L2P curve is a lot lower.
Basically if you want a challenge and want to create your own unique style then go for mag necro. If you want it easier and want to use the formula that most stam classes go for then go for stam necro
Stamnec is the stamina class that use the least generic skill. WTF are you talking about ?0 -
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Yeah...no. The real damage skills the class has for pvp are blastbones and the flame skull, the first of which has terrible pathing, is super slow, and gets CC'd constantly, and the skull is just a typical spammable. The breach/fracture from graveyard doesn't stay on for any extended duration and no one is going to stand in there with the current meta. Aside from that, the mage and the siphon do virtually no damage, so how exactly is my comment incorrect?2 -
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Yeah...no. The real damage skills the class has for pvp are blastbones and the flame skull, the first of which has terrible pathing, is super slow, and gets CC'd constantly, and the skull is just a typical spammable. The breach/fracture from graveyard doesn't stay on for any extended duration and no one is going to stand in there with the current meta. Aside from that, the mage and the siphon do virtually no damage, so how exactly is my comment incorrect?
Cause the things people say happens just doesn’t happen to me which leads me to believe people are exaggerating on here. A lot of group think going on in these forums. My BB works fine majority of the time. It occasionally goes *** and waits the entire duration to explode even if I’m right next to someone but that’s not often. Slow? I’ve yet to see anyone outrun it without using some form of expedition and even so it jumps to the target at the end of duration. People CC it? Haven’t seen that but maybe it has happened idk BGs get intense and I’m not really looking to see if it does.
The flaming skull is a good spammable not great but it’s decent And the graveyard works great in BGs in the many chokepoints. Especially when there’s a lot going on if you cast BB then drop the graveyard as BB gets there so people have no time to roll out it hits pretty hard with the breach/fracture. The siphon I don’t really use for damage as much as I use it for the mag restore. The class overall has good sustainability and is fairly tanky with the HoT which has gotten me out of many sticky situations already. Very good for 1 v Xing too. I don’t get wrecked in PvP I do the wrecking. So to say the class is a “meme” is ridiculous. If I’m not top of my team in kills I’m 2nd. Not tryna gloat but I just feel like everyone has to build a rotation(which seems to be the biggest complaint)that works for them rather than following one they may have seen on YouTube or alcast because it’s very dynamic. I’m not against a buff for the class but knowing ZoS it probably won’t happen so we will have to work with it. Damage isn’t top of the classes but that doesn’t mean it’s weak just because it’s weaker than some others.Edited by ImSoPro on June 24, 2019 4:32PM1 -
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✭If the question is competitive Magicka or Stamina in ESO. The answer as of the past year or so is always Stamina for much better results.
Numbers don't lie!
Fuwk this game!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FjWe31S_0g
I now give the same fwuks as ZOS now NONE!
Now watch me use Cheat Engine to drop 1 million Meteors on players in Cyrodiil now. And use ESO Ninja in BGs just for the personally LULZ.Edited by FearlessOne_2014 on June 24, 2019 4:30PM1 -
geonsocal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I haven't used either in cyrodiil or imperial city yet...i've been leveling my two necros doing random battleground dailies...with the 50% scroll XP boost I'm able to go up 2 levels doing 3 or 4 battleground matches a day on each character - currently level 32 on both...
would love to hear some different gear and rotation suggestions for both mag and stam versions of the necromancers...
right now for the necro stam:
(5) pc battlefield acrobat
(5) pc cowards gear
(2) pc something else (heavy armor)
bow bar: resistant flesh, resolving vigor, skeletal archer, beckoning armor, lethal arrow, and pestilent colossus
2H bar: resistant flesh, resolving vigor, skeletal archer, beckoning armor, dizzying swing, and pummeling goliath
right now for the necro mag:
(5) pc spell strategist
(5) pc knight slayer
(2) pc something else (heavy armor)
resto bar: bone totem, resistant flesh, skeletal arcanist, beckoning armor, combat prayer, and glacial colossus
destro bar: bone totem, resistant flesh, skeletal arcanist, beckoning armor, unstable wall/destructive reach, and ravenous goliath
because i'm still leveling a lot of my skills are in flux...i still don't have a great plan yet for when i unlock all the skills, and, hit cp160 and can actually start wearing the best gear to maximize the character...right now i'm simply equipping the gear i've collected from cyrodiil (i have 5 more toons at level 40 sitting in cyrodiil) and battlegrounds...
gear wise i'll probably keep it simple for both once they hit cp160...stam: battlefield acrobat, spriggans, velidreth...mag: necropotence, spinners, maw of the infernal...
i'm not sure on the stam toon how many of the necro skills i'll end up using - but, for the mag character i'll try to role play the character as a necro as much as possible, and, still compete in pvp okay...Edited by geonsocal on June 25, 2019 7:34PMPVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place0 -
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Yeah...no. The real damage skills the class has for pvp are blastbones and the flame skull, the first of which has terrible pathing, is super slow, and gets CC'd constantly, and the skull is just a typical spammable. The breach/fracture from graveyard doesn't stay on for any extended duration and no one is going to stand in there with the current meta. Aside from that, the mage and the siphon do virtually no damage, so how exactly is my comment incorrect?
Cause the things people say happens just doesn’t happen to me which leads me to believe people are exaggerating on here. A lot of group think going on in these forums. My BB works fine majority of the time. It occasionally goes *** and waits the entire duration to explode even if I’m right next to someone but that’s not often. Slow? I’ve yet to see anyone outrun it without using some form of expedition and even so it jumps to the target at the end of duration. People CC it? Haven’t seen that but maybe it has happened idk BGs get intense and I’m not really looking to see if it does.
The flaming skull is a good spammable not great but it’s decent And the graveyard works great in BGs in the many chokepoints. Especially when there’s a lot going on if you cast BB then drop the graveyard as BB gets there so people have no time to roll out it hits pretty hard with the breach/fracture. The siphon I don’t really use for damage as much as I use it for the mag restore. The class overall has good sustainability and is fairly tanky with the HoT which has gotten me out of many sticky situations already. Very good for 1 v Xing too. I don’t get wrecked in PvP I do the wrecking. So to say the class is a “meme” is ridiculous. If I’m not top of my team in kills I’m 2nd. Not tryna gloat but I just feel like everyone has to build a rotation(which seems to be the biggest complaint)that works for them rather than following one they may have seen on YouTube or alcast because it’s very dynamic. I’m not against a buff for the class but knowing ZoS it probably won’t happen so we will have to work with it. Damage isn’t top of the classes but that doesn’t mean it’s weak just because it’s weaker than some others.
It's quite tanky, yes, but the damage just isn't there. You might not be at a high enough MMR yet in BGs to tell, but it's abysmally low and lacks almost any bust or constant pressure. I played it fairly extensively in some high MMR games, and it's nigh impossible to hit even close to acceptable damage numbers (seemed like averaging 500k while other players hit 1m on different classes was pretty much the norm). The pathing is so bad on the blastbones too, that on certain maps it will take the long route around to a player and then run out of time instead of just running down or jumping off the slope next to you. It also never hits anyone that you're chasing and gets stuck constantly.
I could get plenty of kills in the low MMR games, going like 14-1, etc, but that really doesn't mean anything. You can only tell how good a class is once you start facing actual good opponents. The only two high MMR players that have somewhat stuck with magnecro on PC/NA are @wheem_ESO and Sunbark/Fiji and both of them are setup as support dps to play around the ult.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Necromancer is very similar to Warden, very tanky, amazing heals, bad Magicka DPS skills, shining as Stamina.
Ah Magcro can be a pita but it’s actually no threat, as much as Magden isn’t. Both lack burst, executes and skills that are good enough to put a lot of pressure on your opponent (PvP).PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭my magden is hard to kill, and, actually provides decent group support...
just for the survivability of the toon it's fun to play...
if I can get my mag necro to perform similarly in pvp that won't be so bad...
has anyone figured out a way to make expunge (from living death skilline) work...man, I killed myself a bunch of times when I tried slotting it as a heal
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Yeah...no. The real damage skills the class has for pvp are blastbones and the flame skull, the first of which has terrible pathing, is super slow, and gets CC'd constantly, and the skull is just a typical spammable. The breach/fracture from graveyard doesn't stay on for any extended duration and no one is going to stand in there with the current meta. Aside from that, the mage and the siphon do virtually no damage, so how exactly is my comment incorrect?
Cause the things people say happens just doesn’t happen to me which leads me to believe people are exaggerating on here. A lot of group think going on in these forums. My BB works fine majority of the time. It occasionally goes *** and waits the entire duration to explode even if I’m right next to someone but that’s not often. Slow? I’ve yet to see anyone outrun it without using some form of expedition and even so it jumps to the target at the end of duration. People CC it? Haven’t seen that but maybe it has happened idk BGs get intense and I’m not really looking to see if it does.
The flaming skull is a good spammable not great but it’s decent And the graveyard works great in BGs in the many chokepoints. Especially when there’s a lot going on if you cast BB then drop the graveyard as BB gets there so people have no time to roll out it hits pretty hard with the breach/fracture. The siphon I don’t really use for damage as much as I use it for the mag restore. The class overall has good sustainability and is fairly tanky with the HoT which has gotten me out of many sticky situations already. Very good for 1 v Xing too. I don’t get wrecked in PvP I do the wrecking. So to say the class is a “meme” is ridiculous. If I’m not top of my team in kills I’m 2nd. Not tryna gloat but I just feel like everyone has to build a rotation(which seems to be the biggest complaint)that works for them rather than following one they may have seen on YouTube or alcast because it’s very dynamic. I’m not against a buff for the class but knowing ZoS it probably won’t happen so we will have to work with it. Damage isn’t top of the classes but that doesn’t mean it’s weak just because it’s weaker than some others.
It's quite tanky, yes, but the damage just isn't there. You might not be at a high enough MMR yet in BGs to tell, but it's abysmally low and lacks almost any bust or constant pressure. I played it fairly extensively in some high MMR games, and it's nigh impossible to hit even close to acceptable damage numbers (seemed like averaging 500k while other players hit 1m on different classes was pretty much the norm). The pathing is so bad on the blastbones too, that on certain maps it will take the long route around to a player and then run out of time instead of just running down or jumping off the slope next to you. It also never hits anyone that you're chasing and gets stuck constantly.
I could get plenty of kills in the low MMR games, going like 14-1, etc, but that really doesn't mean anything. You can only tell how good a class is once you start facing actual good opponents. The only two high MMR players that have somewhat stuck with magnecro on PC/NA are @wheem_ESO and Sunbark/Fiji and both of them are setup as support dps to play around the ult.
You might be right about my MMR being not high enough to experience any disparity. Is there a way to find out my MMR? On console?0 -
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There's no way to see your MMR represented as a number in-game, but you can duo queue with someone that has a ton of BGs played on a particular character in order to see what the tougher games are like - and it's not pretty. In the low MMR games that I still sometimes get when solo queueing on my Magicka Necromancer, it's not all that uncommon to get 10+ killing blows and few, if any, deaths. But the times that I've duo queued with another player that has high MMR, the Magicka Necromancer was a dumpster fire, and easily the worst class in the entire game.
Yeah...no. The real damage skills the class has for pvp are blastbones and the flame skull, the first of which has terrible pathing, is super slow, and gets CC'd constantly, and the skull is just a typical spammable. The breach/fracture from graveyard doesn't stay on for any extended duration and no one is going to stand in there with the current meta. Aside from that, the mage and the siphon do virtually no damage, so how exactly is my comment incorrect?
Cause the things people say happens just doesn’t happen to me which leads me to believe people are exaggerating on here. A lot of group think going on in these forums. My BB works fine majority of the time. It occasionally goes *** and waits the entire duration to explode even if I’m right next to someone but that’s not often. Slow? I’ve yet to see anyone outrun it without using some form of expedition and even so it jumps to the target at the end of duration. People CC it? Haven’t seen that but maybe it has happened idk BGs get intense and I’m not really looking to see if it does.
The flaming skull is a good spammable not great but it’s decent And the graveyard works great in BGs in the many chokepoints. Especially when there’s a lot going on if you cast BB then drop the graveyard as BB gets there so people have no time to roll out it hits pretty hard with the breach/fracture. The siphon I don’t really use for damage as much as I use it for the mag restore. The class overall has good sustainability and is fairly tanky with the HoT which has gotten me out of many sticky situations already. Very good for 1 v Xing too. I don’t get wrecked in PvP I do the wrecking. So to say the class is a “meme” is ridiculous. If I’m not top of my team in kills I’m 2nd. Not tryna gloat but I just feel like everyone has to build a rotation(which seems to be the biggest complaint)that works for them rather than following one they may have seen on YouTube or alcast because it’s very dynamic. I’m not against a buff for the class but knowing ZoS it probably won’t happen so we will have to work with it. Damage isn’t top of the classes but that doesn’t mean it’s weak just because it’s weaker than some others.
It's quite tanky, yes, but the damage just isn't there. You might not be at a high enough MMR yet in BGs to tell, but it's abysmally low and lacks almost any bust or constant pressure. I played it fairly extensively in some high MMR games, and it's nigh impossible to hit even close to acceptable damage numbers (seemed like averaging 500k while other players hit 1m on different classes was pretty much the norm). The pathing is so bad on the blastbones too, that on certain maps it will take the long route around to a player and then run out of time instead of just running down or jumping off the slope next to you. It also never hits anyone that you're chasing and gets stuck constantly.
I could get plenty of kills in the low MMR games, going like 14-1, etc, but that really doesn't mean anything. You can only tell how good a class is once you start facing actual good opponents. The only two high MMR players that have somewhat stuck with magnecro on PC/NA are @wheem_ESO and Sunbark/Fiji and both of them are setup as support dps to play around the ult.
You might be right about my MMR being not high enough to experience any disparity. Is there a way to find out my MMR? On console?
Damage is laughable outside of the Colossus Ultimate, and that's oftentimes very much avoidable (but admittedly very strong when it isn't). Sustain is also really awful, since Magicka Necromancer doesn't actually have any sustain skills. Just do the math on Undead Confederate while considering the cost of your choice of "pet," or on the cost-vs-return of Mystic Siphon (and keep in mind that if the siphon gets broken early, you won't get the full amount of returned Magicka).
Survivability also isn't anything special, and I typically find it much easier to stay alive on my Magicka Warden than I do on Magicka Necromancer (huge difference in Magicka sustain, and "Spiderman Vine" can oftentimes save the day). Your healing tether may seem pretty spiffy in those low MMR games, but wait until you're forced to move around a lot and end up LOSing your own heal constantly.
If I could ever get a good enough healing setup figured out, which may or may not really be possible against good teams due to sustain issues, then I think Magicka Necromancer has some potential in that role. For offense, though? It's basically not viable outside of cases where you outclass your opponents bad enough that you'd win pretty much no matter what.2 -
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It's just betterI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
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TriangularChicken✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »For my Stam necro I'm running hunt Leader (gasp!) ad my sustain set
@Waffennacht how exactly does hunt leader proc on necro? the stam morph of skull? does it proc the set?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TriangularChicken wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »For my Stam necro I'm running hunt Leader (gasp!) ad my sustain set
@Waffennacht how exactly does hunt leader proc on necro? the stam morph of skull? does it proc the set?
Blastbones triggers it.
So untargetable pets and targetable pets both trigger hunt leader
Edit: @TriangularChicken my whole set up is rather synergistic. I'd have to go into more detail about the whole thing and I'm not entirely sure I wanna do that just yet. Especially the other 5 piece set.Edited by Waffennacht on June 26, 2019 4:36PM0
