We should get a 50% damage bonus when leveling up

ryzen_gamer_gal

We should get a 50% damage bonus when leveling up to cp 160 while using a healing staff, ice staff, or sword and board?

Vildebill

No

Why?

Banana

Leveling sucks

Turelus

I take it you mean a damage buff to make PvE content (questing etc) more bearable for non DD related builds?

I wouldn't be entirely against it in overland zones/quest locations only as questing on a tank/healer without having alt spec skills or gear can be pretty tiresome after a while.

daemonios

Spec for damage while leveling, respec when done. You can back-bar your s/b or resto staff and skills and still level that skill tree, while keeping a damage-oriented weapon on your main bar. Or level with a friend/guildie.

Seraphayel

No

God no. The game is already way too easy when it comes to overland and non-veteran content.

Custos91

Yes

It took me a while to understand what you meant questing xD

Sure, why not^^
I mean Resto used to have a 10% damage done passive, for probably exactly that reason.
SnB still has a 6% (I think) weapon damage passive for probably this reason as well, also increased bash damage (which used to be much higher and more spammable)

Ice staff doesn't really need it though. It has damage passives

jainiadral

please leave my butthurt out of this poll please

^ I'm sorry-- this made me giggle

Is this so that tanks and healers can level more easily when questing? If so, maybe a 25% boost might work. 50 seems too high to me.

pknecron

No

ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »

We should get a 50% damage bonus when leveling up to cp 160 while using a healing staff, ice staff, or sword and board?

Nah, that's a terrible idea. And grossly biased against DPS builds.

Elwendryll

No

Even on a tank or healer build. The scaling bonus makes any player absurdly powerful. All the skill points you don't have are compensated by raw max stats.
I really don't see the need for more damage.

disintegr8

No

Yeah, nope.

ryzen_gamer_gal

it's almost dawn, goodnight

Well i mean, i posted two polls suggesting a buff to exp and to damage to make tanking and healing more viable for leveling up BUT mostly noone want to incentive tanks or healers. All the complaints of people entering dungeons as fake tanks and healers demanding ZOS do something about it and no one want to actually allow anything to be done.

Ah well. good night.

ryzen_gamer_gal

it's almost dawn, goodnight

Banana wrote: »

Leveling sucks

esp as a healer or a tank.

AcadianPaladin

No

I get the point.

My healer had no trouble leveling up since spell damage boosts both healing and damage and she runs a destro staff on one bar.

My tank is stubborn and came out of the box in full tank mode and never changes gear for damage boosting. Though leveling was tedious I don't mind. That said, there is no reason why a pure tank should not be able to generate closer to 10k instead of 5k - that difference is enough to make leveling enjoyable but not intrude on dps territory. So, though a way for a pure tank to boost damage would be most welcome, I'd suggest a different path - scaling at least one S&B skill (oh, say pierce armor perhaps) to health instead of stamina. As ever, the challenge here is as always with tanks - helping them without conflicting with PvP. As long as the game remains stubbornly wedded to the idea that PvP and PvE must be balanced together, I'm not at all optimistic about PvE main tanks ever being enjoyable enough to draw more players.

srfrogg23

No

Sorry, not sure what's driving that request. Seems game breaking. No.

Rex-Umbra

Oh not this nut again

Maybe brand new players first characters could get more dmg bonus if they make the game harder for the rest of us to enjoy

Mayrael

No

Why? You gave no reasons to support it. Then why we wont increase resistance or sustain of builds using other weapons?

omgiztim

Oh not this nut again

Omg leveling up is so easy. PVE content is so easy. Really, make it easier. Lol

Uryel

Oh not this nut again

Banana wrote: »

Leveling sucks

There is no such thing as "levelling". One plays the game, and thus earns experience, which in turns earn them levels. At some point, this stops, because there has to be some sort of cap.

The problem with most MMO gamers those days, and I think it dates back to the early years of World of Warcraft, or maybe a bad influence from asian MMOs, or maybe both... The problem, I was saying, is that many folks consider "gaining experience" as a phase that should be dealt with as swiftly as can be.

The game starts at character creation, not when you reach the cap.

Turelus

Uryel wrote: »

Banana wrote: »

Leveling sucks

There is no such thing as "levelling". One plays the game, and thus earns experience, which in turns earn them levels. At some point, this stops, because there has to be some sort of cap.

The problem with most MMO gamers those days, and I think it dates back to the early years of World of Warcraft, or maybe a bad influence from asian MMOs, or maybe both... The problem, I was saying, is that many folks consider "gaining experience" as a phase that should be dealt with as swiftly as can be.

The game starts at character creation, not when you reach the cap.

The reason is because traditionally all the new content is designed for end levels. If an MMO was just about playing for the the content there would be no need for a progression system at all.

However once you have a progression system there will be a point where a character has to tick off some requirements past just playing knowledge and skill to partake in that content.

sdtlc

No

It's only one time, please use this one time to at least try and learn sumething about the game.

MartiniDaniels

No

Ugh, you already have huge damage buff when leveling. And 50% is a lot, in your suggestion ice staff will be dominating by huge margin over fire and lightning until you reach CP160.

Reverb

Oh not this nut again

Overland content and normal (non dlc) dungeons are already faceroll easy no matter what weapon you have equipped. While leveling you typically want one skill from each class on each bar, which will give you enough damage dealing abilities to use.

Easily_Lost

No

If you look at my sig you know that I love Sorcerers, but I decided to try a Warden tank with Sword & Board. I had no trouble leveling my character. Killing was too easy. SO NO!

Browiseth

ryzen you're a funny lady

Uryel

Oh not this nut again

Turelus wrote: »

Uryel wrote: »

Banana wrote: »

Leveling sucks

There is no such thing as "levelling". One plays the game, and thus earns experience, which in turns earn them levels. At some point, this stops, because there has to be some sort of cap.

The problem with most MMO gamers those days, and I think it dates back to the early years of World of Warcraft, or maybe a bad influence from asian MMOs, or maybe both... The problem, I was saying, is that many folks consider "gaining experience" as a phase that should be dealt with as swiftly as can be.

The game starts at character creation, not when you reach the cap.

The reason is because traditionally all the new content is designed for end levels. If an MMO was just about playing for the the content there would be no need for a progression system at all.

However once you have a progression system there will be a point where a character has to tick off some requirements past just playing knowledge and skill to partake in that content.

Indeed, and that's also why the level cap is usually raised every once in a while in most games, or artificial requirements are introduced, such as the sets that gave "hope" in LOTRO, without which you just can't approach some bosses / dungeons, because without them your max HP is reduced below 0.

That's the easy , lazy, bullsh*t way to do, but that's the one everyone is used to, so it lives on. However, ESO has (had ?) a different approach. It has its flaws, but since One Tamriel and the level scaling your level doesn't really matter anymore. You can go anywhere, do anything. Progression was never really tied to levels anyway, as your skill lines progress much slower than your character's level, and skill points earned by levelling are nothing compared to those you gain by exploring and whatnot.

For the same reason, there is no such thing as "end game" content in a game where levels don't matter. There are few games that get it right. ESO, for all the things I dislike about the recent updates, does that pretty right IMO. The Secret World, the original one, not that "legend" god-awful relaunch, was damn awesome on that aspect too.

But WoW set the bar for everything MMO. And WoW says you need to level super fast so you can start the "real" game, and farm sets that will allow you to farm other sets to farm other sets... Before WoW MMOs were only a marginal genre, so most peole have nothing prior to compare with. Since WoW is an awfully simplistic game (I often nickaned it "the MMO for dummies", and could give several exemples of acquaitances who came from WoW to try something else and left because it was too complicated for them), games either emulate this simplicity in one way or another, or fail because the crowd isn't ready for something slightly more complex.

So be it, we live in a time of oversimplified games. That doesn't mean we can't enjoy them from the start. I do see a lot of folks asking for the "fastest way to level" or how to "skip quests" and whatnot, though. I do wonder why they play a game if they just want to ignore most of it. Maybe I'm just too old for this sh*t.

elvenmad

No

I returned to the game after just over a 2 year break, purchased Elsweyr and rolled a Necromancer, Instantly notice how much easier the game is these days to how I remember.

Took me around 7/8 hours to get to max level (that's including getting every skyshard and maxing Mage guild and fighters guild at the same time), was wearing 8 pieces training gear and using the free XP scrolls you get free every few levels, there was free buff food and potions too but didn't need those, thats hours not days, how much easier could it be ?

Yeah leveling sucks in most games, but this as the easiest and fastest i've played, if anything it was very boringly easy, which made me think how easy endgame was going to be and if i will just get bored very fast of that too and eventually just quit again.

daemonios

Uryel wrote: »

ESO has (had ?) a different approach. It has its flaws, but since One Tamriel and the level scaling your level doesn't really matter anymore. You can go anywhere, do anything. Progression was never really tied to levels anyway, as your skill lines progress much slower than your character's level, and skill points earned by levelling are nothing compared to those you gain by exploring and whatnot.

For the same reason, there is no such thing as "end game" content in a game where levels don't matter. There are few games that get it right. ESO, for all the things I dislike about the recent updates, does that pretty right IMO.

I disagree. Tamriel One and battle leveling were a huge disservice to the game. It directed the game at the kind of player who plays Overwatch or PUBG, where progression is more or less irrelevant, you drop into a toon and do your thing from the start. While that is perfectly valid, it is not what ESO should be about IMO. They threw every player who enjoys character building and progression under the bus in order to make the game a Frankenstein monster that doesn't know if it wants to be a battle royale game or an MMO.

Llaren_Uvayn

As a tank I don't do a lot of damage but I'm fine with that while questing. A story leading up to a boss fight can feel a bit underwhelming if the boss dies within 5 seconds.

Sansoul

No

ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »

We should get a 50% damage bonus when leveling up to cp 160 while using a healing staff, ice staff, or sword and board?

Dude this game is already participation trophy enough.

Any more and it will become a childish adult theme park like WoW.

elvenmad

No

Sansoul wrote: »

ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »

We should get a 50% damage bonus when leveling up to cp 160 while using a healing staff, ice staff, or sword and board?

Dude this game is already participation trophy enough.

Any more and it will become a childish adult theme park like WoW.

Agree that's exactly what has happened to WoW, they've changed the game to cater more for players who CBA to learn, cba to work for stuff and just want everything now with as least effort as possible, that's what has ruined WoW, That's the main reason I just quit WoW and came back to ESO, i remember having to actually learn and learn to play and having challenging content that needed thought to defeat, Been back a couple of weeks I can clearly see its going in the same direction.