Is the chest run on VSS a violation against TOS?

OrphanHelgen

who cares about the chests anyway its non perfected

xSkullfox

nope, it was only bad level design, was fixed anyway....

Crafts_Many_Boxes

1) I firmly believe that players should never be punished for dev incompetence. I would extend this to ANY exploits, regardless of how obvious it is. I mean for God's sake we have a patch test server in this game, if you're so bad at your job that you allow content to release with such glaring problems after a testing period, then you deserve whatever issues come along with it. If I failed that hard at my job, on a consistent basis, I'd get fired, so why are the players getting punished?

2) It's not as if the loot was free. Some of those trash fights were harder than the actual bosses on normal mode, especially because the groups for the VSS chest runs were often ad-hoc with inexperienced tanks and bad healers. The only reason the runs were happening was because it was more loot at a faster rate than one could receive through normal means. The purple jewels vs blue jewels was nice, but the real draw was that every chest is guaranteed to drop set pieces on vet, which roughly doubles the number of chests that actually have set pieces.

I don't disagree with patching it out, but I think punishing players for taking advantage of it would be a little much.

OrphanHelgen

Crafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »

1) I firmly believe that players should never be punished for dev incompetence. I would extend this to ANY exploits, regardless of how obvious it is. I mean for God's sake we have a patch test server in this game, if you're so bad at your job that you allow content to release with such glaring problems after a testing period, then you deserve whatever issues come along with it. If I failed that hard at my job, on a consistent basis, I'd get fired, so why are the players getting punished?

2) It's not as if the loot was free. Some of those trash fights were harder than the actual bosses on normal mode, especially because the groups for the VSS chest runs were often ad-hoc with inexperienced tanks and bad healers. The only reason the runs were happening was because it was more loot at a faster rate than one could receive through normal means. The purple jewels vs blue jewels was nice, but the real draw was that every chest is guaranteed to drop set pieces on vet, which roughly doubles the number of chests that actually have set pieces.

I don't disagree with patching it out, but I think punishing players for taking advantage of it would be a little much.

I agree the chest thingie here is just extremly bad and lazy design from developers, but some exploits like double mundus I don't think should go unpunished. Only some people knew how it was done, and the advantage from it was huge. It also required more than just random to do it I believe.

Hiruda

Yesterday i was doing quest and level up while doing that, can i be banned ?

better ask to be sure, since it seems people tend to say everything is a exploit and the only gameplay is standing still doing nothing

grannas211

It drops non perfected anyways in the chests even if you kill the boss on vet.

LeagueTroll

If they want to waste time to get non perfected junk, let them do it.

Drako_Ei

vSS is so easy just get the perfected gear

ZeusChaos25

Just say you are roleplaying as a chest thief. No harm no foul.

Goregrinder

MrGarlic wrote: »

What's TOS?

Terms Of Subscription?

Are chests not a part of the reason to run a trial?

Terms of Service, or End User Agreement.

Nemesis7884

Didnt they say they changed it in the latest patch?

Chrysa1is

Id say so, if you're using any exploit to makes acquiring something easier, (skipping bosses, killing bosses out of aggro range "AS" ahem*) then id say its ban-able. if its not the way acquiring gear is supposed to be then yeah

Donny_Vito

Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or Virtual Currency or virtual items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;

You decide.

Kuramas9tails

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Didnt they say they changed it in the latest patch?

@Nemesis7884 Not on console. They have to schedule the maintenance ahead time for console so if ZOS wants to fix something for us, it will probably be like a couple weeks or a month? Maybe longer?

Kuramas9tails

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or Virtual Currency or virtual items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;

You decide.

Yeah see, that's where it is a grey line for me. Yeah, you aren't using a 3rd party and is accessible without a glitch BUT....it's not what they intended and fixed it on PC so to me, it's taking advantage of a situation not intended by ZOS. It's really grey and I was hoping ZOS would clear this but all their silence is telling me is that, yeah, it's not encouraged to do it but they won't do anything to you if you do it.

Donny_Vito

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or Virtual Currency or virtual items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;

You decide.

Yeah see, that's where it is a grey line for me. Yeah, you aren't using a 3rd party and is accessible without a glitch BUT....it's not what they intended and fixed it on PC so to me, it's taking advantage of a situation not intended by ZOS. It's really grey and I was hoping ZOS would clear this but all their silence is telling me is that, yeah, it's not encouraged to do it but they won't do anything to you if you do it.

The reason you aren't seeing a Forum Moderator make an official statement is because of the ramifications it might have. This is technically a legal decision, and in order to actually ban accounts for TOS violations they have to take the appropriate legal steps. Therefore, you won't see them say something official until they get all their "ducks in a row" for a lack of a better phrase.

Kuramas9tails

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Promote, upload, transmit, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or Virtual Currency or virtual items. In an effort to continuously improve the Services, You and other players discovering exploits, cheats, cracks or other inconsistencies are required to report them to ZeniMax;

You decide.

Yeah see, that's where it is a grey line for me. Yeah, you aren't using a 3rd party and is accessible without a glitch BUT....it's not what they intended and fixed it on PC so to me, it's taking advantage of a situation not intended by ZOS. It's really grey and I was hoping ZOS would clear this but all their silence is telling me is that, yeah, it's not encouraged to do it but they won't do anything to you if you do it.

The reason you aren't seeing a Forum Moderator make an official statement is because of the ramifications it might have. This is technically a legal decision, and in order to actually ban accounts for TOS violations they have to take the appropriate legal steps. Therefore, you won't see them say something official until they get all their "ducks in a row" for a lack of a better phrase.

Ahhh. I don't know how the banning side of an account goes and never thought about it from that point of view. Thank you for putting that into perspective.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Chests in VSS aren't worth the lockpicks they take to open... Who gives AF?

Ackwalan

The problem with this kind of gray area of game play, is that ZOS is not consistent. When people were flipping outpost in PvP, ZOS let it go on for awhile then came down on it only when it became overly used. The same with the Trial boss that could be exploited, ZOS didn't react until it became an openly known exploit. This bug/exploit/feature could end up the same way. ZOS may ignore it today and ban people for it tomorrow.

Benzux

If you are intentionally abusing an unintended exploit in any way, be it skipping bosses to open chests, or glitching bosses to make killing them easier, it should count as a punishable offense. Sure, these bugs might be the result of a slight oversight or a *** up in the code, but I think shouting "hurr durr it's the devs' fault so we shouldn't be punished for it hurr durr" is unjust. We are all human, and we make mistakes, and especially when it comes to coding, those mistakes - especially the small ones that may have a big impact - are difficult to pinpoint.

Besides, me thinks that everyone saying "It's their fault!" or "Players shouldn't be punished for something the Devs did!" Are the ones using these exploits themselves. You are fully aware of what you are doing when abusing these exploits, don't try to shift the blame.

Blinkin8r

Curious, what's the difference between farming chests in Vet City of ash 1 without killing any bosses which I'm sure everyone has done?

Kuramas9tails

Blinkin8r wrote: »

Curious, what's the difference between farming chests in Vet City of ash 1 without killing any bosses which I'm sure everyone has done?

@Blinkin8r I never chest farmed in any group content. And it was an entire week after the DLC release before I seen anyone ask for people for a nss run. My BF and I were wondering what was wrong with nss because everyone was asking for vet runs and we didn't know why. We figured it was easy af but we didn't run normal yet so we wanted to try normal for experience of mechanics. I feel that degrades the quality and integrity of the trial they released for the DLC. You can queue for nCOA so anyone who doesn't want to just chest run can get a group. When you try to get 11 other people who refuse to do normal when you can chest farm vet....like I said, that falls short of the integrity of the trial.

Blinkin8r

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Blinkin8r wrote: »

Curious, what's the difference between farming chests in Vet City of ash 1 without killing any bosses which I'm sure everyone has done?

@Blinkin8r I never chest farmed in any group content. And it was an entire week after the DLC release before I seen anyone ask for people for a nss run. My BF and I were wondering what was wrong with nss because everyone was asking for vet runs and we didn't know why. We figured it was easy af but we didn't run normal yet so we wanted to try normal for experience of mechanics. I feel that degrades the quality and integrity of the trial they released for the DLC. You can queue for nCOA so anyone who doesn't want to just chest run can get a group. When you try to get 11 other people who refuse to do normal when you can chest farm vet....like I said, that falls short of the integrity of the trial.

@Kuramas9tails Good points. However, they're not getting any skins, completions, perfected gear, achievements etc. It's kinda dumb to farm it on vet tbh unless you're trying to save some money on purple jewelry matts.

Karivaa

I have played since release and worked too hard on my toons to exploit or cheat in this game. Wow was very strict. Some of my best friends in ESO got perma banned 2 years ago. Be careful.

ArchMikem

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Iarao wrote: »

chest run? vss???

I guess in Vet Sunspire on console, you can skip bosses to get to chests and people are farming for the sets from the trial that way instead of running it fully. I was trying to figure out why no one was hosting nSS since launch. It took us 20 minutes to find a full group for normal because everyone is running the chest runs.

If that's actually what's happening then yes its a TOS violation cause it's an exploit.

Royaji

ArchMikem wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Iarao wrote: »

chest run? vss???

I guess in Vet Sunspire on console, you can skip bosses to get to chests and people are farming for the sets from the trial that way instead of running it fully. I was trying to figure out why no one was hosting nSS since launch. It took us 20 minutes to find a full group for normal because everyone is running the chest runs.

If that's actually what's happening then yes its a TOS violation cause it's an exploit.

It is not. Nothing out of the ordinary happens on those runs. The chests are simply accessible prior to killing any bosses. No glitching through doors or going out of the map.

ArchMikem

Royaji wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Iarao wrote: »

chest run? vss???

I guess in Vet Sunspire on console, you can skip bosses to get to chests and people are farming for the sets from the trial that way instead of running it fully. I was trying to figure out why no one was hosting nSS since launch. It took us 20 minutes to find a full group for normal because everyone is running the chest runs.

If that's actually what's happening then yes its a TOS violation cause it's an exploit.

It is not. Nothing out of the ordinary happens on those runs. The chests are simply accessible prior to killing any bosses. No glitching through doors or going out of the map.

Acquiring loot without clearing any of the content first is obviously unintended and thus an exploit. ZOS didn't create a Trial just so people could find a way to get free stuff from it.

Royaji

ArchMikem wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Iarao wrote: »

chest run? vss???

I guess in Vet Sunspire on console, you can skip bosses to get to chests and people are farming for the sets from the trial that way instead of running it fully. I was trying to figure out why no one was hosting nSS since launch. It took us 20 minutes to find a full group for normal because everyone is running the chest runs.

If that's actually what's happening then yes its a TOS violation cause it's an exploit.

It is not. Nothing out of the ordinary happens on those runs. The chests are simply accessible prior to killing any bosses. No glitching through doors or going out of the map.

Acquiring loot without clearing any of the content first is obviously unintended and thus an exploit. ZOS didn't create a Trial just so people could find a way to get free stuff from it.

CoA 1 says hi...

Hiruda

ArchMikem wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Iarao wrote: »

chest run? vss???

I guess in Vet Sunspire on console, you can skip bosses to get to chests and people are farming for the sets from the trial that way instead of running it fully. I was trying to figure out why no one was hosting nSS since launch. It took us 20 minutes to find a full group for normal because everyone is running the chest runs.

If that's actually what's happening then yes its a TOS violation cause it's an exploit.

It is not. Nothing out of the ordinary happens on those runs. The chests are simply accessible prior to killing any bosses. No glitching through doors or going out of the map.

Acquiring loot without clearing any of the content first is obviously unintended and thus an exploit. ZOS didn't create a Trial just so people could find a way to get free stuff from it.

No, simply no
it's not a exploit so cut the crap

Synnastix

You do have to kill mobs, that’s how you open the door. If you don’t want players to get loot without killing a boss then put the loot on the boss instead of in a box. I’m a sneaky thief so if you hide treasure in a safe I’m going after it, simple as that.