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Nightblade Healer
master_vanargand
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I think Nightblade Healer is not good.
ZOS should give Nightblade Healer more love.
What is the improvement plan for Nightblade Healer?
Please let me know your opinion and ideas.
My Idea:
Add Minor Berserk to Malevolent Offering.
Bye Combat Prayer, and one skill slot can be free.
ZOS should give Nightblade Healer more love.
What is the improvement plan for Nightblade Healer?
Please let me know your opinion and ideas.
My Idea:
Add Minor Berserk to Malevolent Offering.
Bye Combat Prayer, and one skill slot can be free.
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NB healing’s good. There are only two issues:
1. No synergy outside ultimates
2. Refreshing path’s area is really small
If you think it’s weak you’re probably using funnel health. Stop, it’s a terrible ability. Once you stop using it the toolkit is good.Edited by Iskiab on June 12, 2019 1:14AMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten2 -
master_vanargand✭✭✭✭✭
✭DocFrost72 wrote: »Why is it not good? What tools is it missing compared to other classes?
Look at Templar and Warden, then look at Nightblade.
If you still ask the same question, I will give you Skooma.6 -
DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭master_vanargand wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »Why is it not good? What tools is it missing compared to other classes?
Look at Templar and Warden, then look at Nightblade.
If you still ask the same question, I will give you Skooma.
"Look at Templar and Warden, then look at Nightblade.
If you still ask me why Nightblade's Stronger, I will give you skooma". See why this argument is absolutely useless?
What healing abilities do they need that they don't have? What utility or support classes are they in need of? You just saying "they're bad" is going to get an eye roll from ZOS and nothing else.
Iskiab, thank you for showing some areas they might need work.Edited by DocFrost72 on June 11, 2019 6:39PM1 -
master_vanargand✭✭✭✭✭
✭NB healing’s good. There are only two issues:
1. No synergy outside ultimates
2. Refreshing path’s area is really small
If you think it’s weak you’re probably using funnel health. Stop, it’s a terrible ability. One you stop using it the toolkit is good.
Funnel Health is trash.
I do not use it.3 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It’s been a while since I PvE healed anything as a NB. Stopped when I got every monster helm in all weights, since then I only run PvE on alts for undaunted. Try something like this:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=153880
CPs I put wherever just to unlock the stat boosts.
I’ve healed all vets, HMs, normal trials and the vet HoF, HRC, AA as a NB.
When I did do all the vets I used Iceheart because sap spam causes a lot of aggro.Edited by Iskiab on June 11, 2019 7:05PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
master_vanargand✭✭✭✭✭
✭It’s been a while since I PvE healed anything as a NB. Stopped when I got every monster helm in all weights, since then I only run PvE on alts for undaunted. Try something like this:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=153880
CPs I put wherever just to unlock the stat boosts.
I’ve healed all vets, HMs, normal trials and the vet HoF, HRC, AA as a NB.
When I did do all the vets I used Iceheart because sap spam causes a lot of aggro.
I applaud your effort.
But if you were a Templar or Warden healer you could have done a better job.
Lokkestiiz set and Alkosh set need synergy, And Nightblade Healer is fatal because there is no synergy.
Refreshing Path is very very very small *** area.
And Malevolent Offering deals damage to you, so it's hard to use for final mode of Z'Maja in Cloudrest.
Soul Siphon is good, but it have to be far away from the enemy to activate synergy.
Nightblade Healer is very inconvenient.Edited by master_vanargand on June 11, 2019 9:50PM0 -
CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Like others have said the only weaknesses of a NB healer is the synergy and small aoe on path. Everything else in their kit is amazing, even offering costing health.0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭master_vanargand wrote: »It’s been a while since I PvE healed anything as a NB. Stopped when I got every monster helm in all weights, since then I only run PvE on alts for undaunted. Try something like this:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=153880
CPs I put wherever just to unlock the stat boosts.
I’ve healed all vets, HMs, normal trials and the vet HoF, HRC, AA as a NB.
When I did do all the vets I used Iceheart because sap spam causes a lot of aggro.
I applaud your effort.
But if you were a Templar or Warden healer you could have done a better job.
Lokkestiiz set and Alkosh set need synergy, And Nightblade Healer is fatal because there is no synergy.
Refreshing Path is very very very small *** area.
And Malevolent Offering deals damage to you, so it's hard to use for final mode of Z'Maja in Cloudrest.
Soul Siphon is good, but it have to be far away from the enemy to activate synergy.
Nightblade Healer is very inconvenient.
Agreed. I have a max level templar, warden (though I never finished undaunted on my Warden) and NB healer. I much prefer the Templar for pve healing. The vets I did on my NB was before my Templar was ready for vet trials. The extra healing output of a NB doesn’t matter in pve.Ran with a NB healer last night for some IC fun... it was far from bad...
Agreed. See above for the classes I have, I prefer my NB for pvp.Edited by Iskiab on June 11, 2019 10:01PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten1 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭master_vanargand wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »Why is it not good? What tools is it missing compared to other classes?
Look at Templar and Warden, then look at Nightblade.
If you still ask the same question, I will give you Skooma.
Nightblade has major valitity, major protection, minor vulnerability, off balance, extreme ultimate generation, unique penerartion debuff, silence if you need it, major expedition for allies, slow debuffs for eniemies, cc fear if needed.
Just add a synergy from undaunted line. Also do you really need another synergy from healers besides orbs,
Nerco tanks can self synergize. Then as long as you use one class besides Nightblade or DragonKnights you good.Edited by Tasear on June 11, 2019 11:43PM0 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'll let you in on a little secret...but please keep this to yourself.
Everyone else please go away as the following is for the OP's eyes only!
Are we alone? Good. Okay here goes:
NBs make very good healers.2 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yea, trick for pve and pvp is to tank sp and stack %healing modifiers and crit. A little different then other healers.
Healthy offering’s health drain is based off magicka and sp only. Stack crit and healing modifiers to reduce the drain amount. In pve healthy Offering isn’t even required unless you’re trying to save a low health dps who just got caught standing in stupid.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
DarkShadowFax✭✭✭They're not lacking in healing power. They have plenty of that.
Synergies for alkosh and lokke users are severely lacking (something they share with dk healers). Bolstering Darkness and Soul Siphon are good for certain fights but generally speaking people want a warhorn more than they want either of those, making us choose between increased damage and stats for a brief moment of time or a synergy which might not even go towards an alkosh user.
In the meantime, any other class has class skills which they can easily drop on a tank for the synergy. My necro healer is fastly becoming a favourite among my tank friends precisely for the amount of synergies I can offer them.
So long as magdks keep getting bumped from trials in favour of harder hitting stam, a dk tank will most likely remain meta for engulfing so I'm not too sure about self-synergizing tankcros.
The magicka steal on debilitate underperforms compared to ele drain. Minor vulnerability from teleport strike can be acquired through IA or Scavenging, or even a necros totem. Some things you don't want to teleport strike to. Or at least I dont.
Funnel health - which I very much enjoyed using until Murkmire - severely underperforms. It hits like a wet noodle and I have to cast it too many times to even attempt to cover a trial group. No bueno.
If healblades were better for endgame pve content I wouldve made my healblade my main in a heartbeat. As it is, my templar healer currently takes that spot because they're easier to play and more favourably looked upon in late game content.PC-NA | vCragHM | vDSA | Flawless | vMoLHM | vHoFHM | IR | GH | Unchained | vSSHM | DB | Spirit Slayer | vRGHM | vDSR | PvP Scrub- Zookeeper Sarena | Magicka Sorcerer
- Sarena Shadow-Claws | Stamina Nightblade
- Sarena the Dancer | Templar Healer
- Sarena Greenheart | Warden Healer
- Sarena Likes Hiding | Nightblade Healer
- Sarena Chases Bears | Stamina Warden
- Sarena Robs Graves | Necromancer Healer
- Sarena's Warning | Magicka Templar
- Saint Sarena | Magicka Nightblade
- Sarena Tail-Chaser | Magicka Dragonknight
- Sarena Likes Bones | Stamina Necromancer
- Sarena War-Wolf | Dragonknight Tank
- Sarena Stormcaller | Sorcerer Healer
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✭✭✭Yea. If your main is a NB healer you’re gtg in pvp. In pve you’re good for doing vet dungeons, but for trials not so much.
I used to do magblade dps in trials, now that’s not really a thing either.
Magblade in pve isn’t in a good place right now. In pvp it’s okay, just not part of the current meta in pve in any role. If you play at the endgame pve level you’re likely going to have an alt anyways so it’s not an issue really, with how it goes some classes are always going to be left out.
If you aren’t in a score type pve guild what class matters a lot less then how well you play your class, so you’ll be okay.Edited by Iskiab on June 12, 2019 1:23AMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
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✭✭Templar and Warden are much more better as a healer , I have them all .
But I still like use to my NB healer the most in trial even HM .
My guild won't force anyone to use specific roles
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thedude33✭✭✭✭✭I really enjoy my NB healer in pvp. After a tough day on my stamblade, it's nice to load up the NB healer. very very hard to kill and much more useful to the cause!1v1 Win/Loss Record in PvP.
1 Wins - 392 Losses (guy was AFK)0 -
booksmcread✭✭✭✭Passives are really good for healing. Healthy Offering is super strong. Soul Siphon is amazing, but heal ultimates are not used in vet trials very often (but very useful in PVP). Refreshing Path should at least match the area of effect of Combat Prayer. And completely agree on needing a class-based ability with a synergy. Preferably, ground targeted.2 -
Konstant_Tel_Necris✭✭✭✭✭If you think that's NB healer out of love than what have sorcerer healer in compare to NB?0 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »I'll let you in on a little secret...but please keep this to yourself.
Everyone else please go away as the following is for the OP's eyes only!
Are we alone? Good. Okay here goes:
NBs make very good healers.
Any class can heal great.1 -
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✭master_vanargand wrote: »I think Nightblade Healer is not good.
ZOS should give Nightblade Healer more love.
What is the improvement plan for Nightblade Healer?
Please let me know your opinion and ideas.
My Idea:
Add Minor Berserk to Malevolent Offering.
Bye Combat Prayer, and one skill slot can be free.
I have a Nightblade healer/dps hybrid. It works pretty well. I've done vet dungeons with him, though my main healer is a Templar which I generally use for more endgame dlc vets and trials etc.
While its not in the same class as a Templar or Warden (or Necro now?) its still great fun for overland and normal content.
I do agree that if ZOS wanted to make Nightblade healing more competative with the other recognised healer classes, some buffs to healing would be required.1 -
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✭✭✭Konstant_Tel_Necris wrote: »If you think that's NB healer out of love than what have sorcerer healer in compare to NB?
A synergyArgonian forever1 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »master_vanargand wrote: »I think Nightblade Healer is not good.
ZOS should give Nightblade Healer more love.
What is the improvement plan for Nightblade Healer?
Please let me know your opinion and ideas.
My Idea:
Add Minor Berserk to Malevolent Offering.
Bye Combat Prayer, and one skill slot can be free.
I do agree that if ZOS wanted to make Nightblade healing more competative with the other recognised healer classes, some buffs to healing would be required.
Might be OP if that happened. Thing is NB has the best healing passives in the game, meaning with equal gear an ability is stronger on a NB then any other class - abilities like Combat Prayer, Orbs, Springs.
The % healing and magicka % modifier in the Siphoning tree being the main reason.
To compensate NB healing abilities aren’t as good as templar ones. Breath of Life > Healthy Offering, Ritual > Path.... except NBs have the best healing ultimate.
Healthy Offering you can work with with the right build so it’s good, refreshing path in stacking fights is good... funnel health you can just not use.
I strongly feel the last thing NBs need is stronger healing, since on a HPS basis under optimal conditions NBs are the highest in the game. What it needs is versatility (refreshing path being larger or more versatile) and a synergy with how vet trials work and how important they are.
The last patch helped a lot too. Being able to use debilitate instead of elemental drain closes the gap between Templar and NB ST dps as a healer. Just one last change and I think it’ll be great.Edited by Iskiab on June 14, 2019 3:09AMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »master_vanargand wrote: »I think Nightblade Healer is not good.
ZOS should give Nightblade Healer more love.
What is the improvement plan for Nightblade Healer?
Please let me know your opinion and ideas.
My Idea:
Add Minor Berserk to Malevolent Offering.
Bye Combat Prayer, and one skill slot can be free.
I do agree that if ZOS wanted to make Nightblade healing more competative with the other recognised healer classes, some buffs to healing would be required.
Might be OP if that happened. Thing is NB has the best healing passives in the game, meaning with equal gear an ability is stronger on a NB then any other class - abilities like Combat Prayer, Orbs, Springs.
The % healing and magicka % modifier in the Siphoning tree being the main reason.
To compensate NB healing abilities aren’t as good as templar ones. Breath of Life > Healthy Offering, Ritual > Path.... except NBs have the best healing ultimate.
Healthy Offering you can work with with the right build so it’s good, refreshing path in stacking fights is good... funnel health you can just not use.
I strongly feel the last thing NBs need is stronger healing, since on a HPS basis under optimal conditions NBs are the highest in the game. What it needs is versatility (refreshing path being larger or more versatile) and a synergy with how vet trials work and how important they are.
The last patch helped a lot too. Being able to use debilitate instead of elemental drain closes the gap between Templar and NB ST dps as a healer. Just one last change and I think it’ll be great.
Don't think they need a synergy if there are other classes in play.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭master_vanargand wrote: »I think Nightblade Healer is not good.
ZOS should give Nightblade Healer more love.
What is the improvement plan for Nightblade Healer?
Please let me know your opinion and ideas.
My Idea:
Add Minor Berserk to Malevolent Offering.
Bye Combat Prayer, and one skill slot can be free.
You have merely replaced one skill that heals 6 people and give them a nice buff and add that buff to a single target skill. In other words it does nothing to help the NB healer as they will still have to use CP.
As others have explained, NB does have some benefits, especially with ult gen.0