How do you deal with incapable people in vet dungeons and trials?

Gordon906

Fake/incompetent/under geared/low cp tanks, healer, and/or dps.

mann9753b16_ESO

Stick with them

How about using your superior knowledge of the game to teach them how to do it better?

Gordon906

Leave

Sometimes I do if they at least have a decent set up.

Mintaka5

Stick with them

mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »

How about using your superior knowledge of the game to teach them how to do it better?

Because that would be too hard for elitist monkeys

czar

Other

Depends. If they are nice and try their best, I stick with them. If we don't progress, they usually realize they're not ready for the content and give up long before I do. If they have a bad attitude, are horrible at their role and refuse to leave, I will vote to kick them.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Stick with them

We were all new to vet dungeons once. Some people forget that.

DeadlyRecluse

Other

I don't run challenging content with incapable people.

I'll pug a nonDLC vet dungeon with anybody--it's easy enough to cover for group weaknesses there. But I don't jump in DLC dungeon queues or run vet trials with unknowns.

Tasear

Other

Bad attitude vote to kick
Blame the healer... vote to kick

If truly can't progress with them then we talk about issue like a team.

Sometimes I am just not in mood and walk away from the situation

Most times just stick with them.

reoskit

Other

Identify with them?

That said, I only run with people who know me and my (lack of) skills.

Royaji

Other

I assume we are talking about GF/random groups? I'll only talk about base game vet dungeons since I do not even attempt vet DLCs or trials without an organised group. And in normals I do not care what you do. I either can solo the whole thing or it is a normal trial farm run and I don't join those without a couple of capable friends.

One guy who is not that great is usually not a problem and I don't mind carrying him. Bad tanks? I do not meet them since I am a tank myself. Bad healers? I might grumble a bit under my breath and just slot GDB back on the bar instead of a support skill. Bad DD? No problem if the other guy + healer can carry. But two LA heroes? Sorry, either I ask them to kick me or just leave. I do not have the patience to stare at boss's balls for 15 minutes.

bulbousb16_ESO

Kick them

The very question assumes that I am a horrible person but think very highly of myself?

Kolache

Other

It really depends on the dungeon, the boss, the roles, and how many people are struggling.

If I can carry I'll usually just carry if the group hasn't hit a wall on a harder dungeon.
If it's one person that I perceive to be the reason we hit a wall I'll usually share my opinion and give it a few wipes.
If it's more than one person struggling and the group has hit a wall then I'll usually politely bow out after a few wipes.

Facefister

Kick them

Mintaka5 wrote: »

mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »

How about using your superior knowledge of the game to teach them how to do it better?

Because that would be too hard for elitist monkeys

Yeah because of people like you I've stopped doing that. I explain only once, then kick.

ATomiX96

Kick them

PURGE

mann9753b16_ESO

Stick with them

Facefister wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »

How about using your superior knowledge of the game to teach them how to do it better?

Because that would be too hard for elitist monkeys

Yeah because of people like you I've stopped doing that. I explain only once, then kick.

Nice elitist thinking....

I bet people had more patience with you when you were a noob...

srfrogg23

Other

All of the options depending on the circumstances.

Facefister

Kick them

I was very shy about joining vets because I didn't want to drag down my group. The first time I've joined a vet group was when I was able to do 25k dps on the 6m dummy and even then I thought it was barely enough. Playing mechanics wasn't an issue since I've played WoW for years.

But head-diving into veteran dungeons as a newbie is the most preferred strategy these days

Veinblood1965

Mintaka5 wrote: »

mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »

How about using your superior knowledge of the game to teach them how to do it better?

Because that would be too hard for elitist monkeys

That's not nice, they may be elitist but not monkeys

Goregrinder

The same way I deal with PVEers showing up to Cyrodiil trying to do quests.....show them no mercy.

Tsar_Gekkou

Kick them

Some people are almost incapable of learning and people completely screwing over the group time and time again would have to go for the benefit of the group. We all know that one person who still hasn't beaten vMoL because they keep getting kicked for blowing people up on the twins constantly despite being in there for god knows how long. I'm pretty patient with those people, but thankfully for my sake and the sake of the group, a lot of people aren't.

Anhedonie

It depends. Most of the time I just carry them.
For me to kick a person he must be something way worse than LA bowtard doing 2k dps.

Agenericname

Other

Depends. It's really not that big of a deal in base game vets. As long as they're not being an ass, I don't care.

Vet DLC, same really. Seems like people that do them are different from normals or base game vet dungeoneers though. I've never seen anyone kicked from a vet DLC before, most people just leave if they feel the group doesn't have a chance.

I'll stick around if they have a good attitude usually, sometimes I run out of time and I'll leave. If the group is completely hopeless, I'll leave. That's a chance I took with the RDF.

Kagukan

Stick with them

Depends. If they are good people and trying I would stick with it. Everyone is new at some point and there is nothing worse than some elitist puke thinking they are all that and a bucket of apples.

If they are truly the reason a run can't be completed than a constructive polite conversation needs to be had with the person explaining why they are not ready yet.

Heelie

Leave

If I come to the conclussion that I have to spend more than 30 minutes in a dungeon, or that I might have to teach the group the mechanics. I leave, I am not in the business of free carry runs.

Mintaka5

Stick with them

Other is a damn cop-out

Matthew_Galvanus

Leave

if it is normal content, i'll stick it out because i can solo pretty much any dungeon (non trial), but when it comes to veteran content i just leave. nothing is worse than wasting time on a dungeon run destined to disband because someone is not capable of pulling their own weight

Mintaka5

Stick with them

Veinblood1965 wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »

How about using your superior knowledge of the game to teach them how to do it better?

Because that would be too hard for elitist monkeys

That's not nice, they may be elitist but not monkeys

Why is it not nice? Don't behave like an alpha ape, and anyone can evolve to civilized existence. You want to behave like a lesser species then I'm just calling it what it is. Nothing more. Nothing less.

El_Borracho

Stick with them

At least until I determine if they are incapable because they refuse to learn. If so, buh bye.

But if its just inexperience, and they are trying, I'll stick it out. I was once there, too.

Onefrkncrzypope

Other

Solo:
For dungeons, I give them 15 mins of trying to complete or pushing them farther.(till que is ready again).
For trials, I give them 25 pots at most to prove to me that the are just struggling instead of inept and then I will say sorry GTG.

Group:
For dungeons carry the starchy potato as best as we can unless the group can't progress because of said starch.
For trials, same but less patience, like actively start looking for sub after 3 big mess ups or if the temperature of the floor rises to high(dead all the time).

Haquor

mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »

How about using your superior knowledge of the game to teach them how to do it better?

Can you please let me wife and kids know that i owe my time to randoms in a computer game and not them.

Its not as cut and dry as a lot of people make out.

If i have the time and no other goals with my short windows of game time i will def help people out. But sometimes i want to get *** done. And that involves replacing someone who is not condusive to that endstate being achieved then so be it.

bulbousb16_ESO

Kick them

I kick them and then pat myself on the back for being a superior human being and never once consider whether I am a narcissist that doesn't understand RPGs.