Overhaul Templar

Rampeal

Let me start by saying that I love ESO. I have been playing it since 2015. One of the best MMO ever. That being said. Here goes my statement.

Templar. It needs to be fixed. I have had my Templar since 2015. First character ever. It was fun and amazing. Back when I could actually play my class with ALL of my class skills. But then came the nerfs. Templar at the start used to be something fun and interesting. We could be Blazing tanks, Spear wielding, health regen magick melee, Dual wielding spear stamina warriors, magicka holy fire casting mages, and the best healers in the game. Now he are shoe horned into a healing role and nothing more. Yes I know you will say that there are many other options for the Templar and I am wrong. Well let me explain.

I want to play a Templar. I want to use my class skills. I want to be viable, but I can't. ESO selling point was play the way you want. Be anything. Okay.

I want to be a Tank that relys on my awesome blazing shield to protect me and do some damage.

ZOS: nope. Can't play that. We are going to nerf your shield to the point that even if you have 50000k health you will only do 2k damage over a span of 5 secs. Pick something else.

Okay I want to be a magicka melee spear wielder that heals me when I attack.

ZOS: Nope can't have that. We are going to nerf the heals on the spears and the damage.

Okay well I want to be...

ZOS: Let me stop you there. We already nerfed the rest of your class skills. This is what you get to play.

Magicka: Use the staff abilities because they are more viable than your class skills, second thought other classes have better passives to support it so we are just gonna need you to play a healer. At least you get to use your class skills huh?

Stamina: Again the stamina morphs are nerfed so what we want you to do is run Weapon skills. Maybe one or two class skills, but 90% Weapon.

But in all seriousness this is how it feels. I can not play my class the way I want to play. I am more or less forced into playing with anything but my actual class.

And it is just not Templar it is all classes. PvE it is all Weapon skills with a touch of class (pun intended).
PvP is no better. 90% is just staff, Two handed and bow builds. Why? Because they outshine class skills which in any MMO should never happen.

This is just my opinion. Take it for that. Do you think Templars need a fix or do all classes?

Mitaka211

Yes fix Templars

From playing my stamplar and now my stamnecro i have to say , people have to be extremely blind if they claim stamplar is fine.

Everything that makes necro so great is taken from the templar feedback thread and it feels super scummy.

A simple start for templar (i would argue for all the old classes) is to rework the passives so both magika and stamina benefit from them.

Reworking the templar ultimates from the ground up is a must at this point. They look like crap, they play like crap and the only templars that use them "want to feel like they are playing a templar".

I only log on on my templar for daylies now , in the meanwhile i am getting to know my necro better. Templar is a disaster , just like the balance team in ZOS. All they care about is NBs and magsorcs... oh and taking feedback so they can make a new class and sell it.

chetter_hummin

No they are fine

Do u even play this game? Jabs nerfed? Using the forum for a l2p issue?! At least say it's your approach about the class, not that the class is bad. The class is powerful in the right hands, ofc.

Rampeal

Yes fix Templars

chetter_hummin wrote: »

Do u even play this game? Jabs nerfed? Using the forum for a l2p issue?! At least say it's your approach about the class, not that the class is bad. The class is powerful in the right hands, ofc.

Okay first let's be civil. Second I stated my "Opinion". Now to Answer your question yes I do play and no offence judging from your profile I have been playing longer than you and I bet a Templar as well. If you played one back in the day you would know what I speak of, so it is not a "lol L2P' issue. I agree the class is powerful... with weapon abilities and only weapon abilities. Running a Cookie Cutter Reverse Slash, Cleave, Momentum, Vigor, Dawnbreaker and spamming uppercut is not playing a templar. You can take any class and do that.. most classes better by far with the setup.

Ixilith

No they are fine

I’m ngl you pretty much list a problem which affects all Stam builds lol,

The game is balanced around ur class being able to use all those skill trees, so the feeling on class is lost a little.

No class is built on only its abilities , it’s just not something done in eso and I think it’s designed intentionally so you don’t. Because if worked as ur class skills being the best options you would have no reason to get these other skill lines to 50

PVE Templar meta -

DW - power of the light, rearming trap, rendering slash, biting jabs, resolving Vigor, Dawn breaker.

Bow - endless hail, razor caltrops, poison injection, restoring focus, blazing spear, Ballista

That’s

4 Templar
3 bow
3 assault

Templar is still morw Used then other lines.

Pvp stamplar meta

DW - Deadly cloak, rendering slash, biting jabs, power of the light, extended ritual Dawnbreaker

2handed - rally, repentance, restoring focus, binding Javalin, resolving Vigor, rememberence

That’s

8 Templar abilities
1 fighter ability
2 assault abilities
2 DW abilities

Once again Templar has the highest quantity of abilities used.

Don’t over exaggerate the problem, eso has never been about the class trees being stronger then the ingame trees.

worrallj

No they are fine

Blazing shield: True you can't do substantial damage with blazing shield, but honestly isn't that a Nerf that makes sense? It was a very powerful skill with zero tradeoffs.

Jabs: this may have been nerfed a while back before I was playing templar idk, but I still think it's *quite* a strong skill. I use it extensively, it doubles as my only self heal & spammable DPS.

Other Magicka damage abilities: they aren't quite as strong as sorc I know, but still very good. Blazing spear & solar barrage are awesome. I recommend you try out xynode's off balance templar. Melee Magicka, plenty of class skills, sounds like what your looking for. I've been playing it a little while and really enjoy it.

Edit: know what needs a Nerf IMHO? Psyjic skill line, especially elemental weapon. I always play the quests in order so don't usually have this unlocked, and it seems like 90% of build out there use this as the main spammable plus channelled acceleration. I'd call that OP.

Rampeal

Yes fix Templars

Ixilith wrote: »

I’m ngl you pretty much list a problem which affects all Stam builds lol,

The game is balanced around ur class being able to use all those skill trees, so the feeling on class is lost a little.

No class is built on only its abilities , it’s just not something done in eso and I think it’s designed intentionally so you don’t. Because if worked as ur class skills being the best options you would have no reason to get these other skill lines to 50

PVE Templar meta -

DW - power of the light, rearming trap, rendering slash, biting jabs, resolving Vigor, Dawn breaker.

Bow - endless hail, razor caltrops, poison injection, restoring focus, blazing spear, Ballista

That’s

4 Templar
3 bow
3 assault

Templar is still morw Used then other lines.

Pvp stamplar meta

DW - Deadly cloak, rendering slash, biting jabs, power of the light, extended ritual Dawnbreaker

2handed - rally, repentance, restoring focus, binding Javalin, resolving Vigor, rememberence

That’s

8 Templar abilities
1 fighter ability
2 assault abilities
2 DW abilities

Once again Templar has the highest quantity of abilities used.

Don’t over exaggerate the problem, eso has never been about the class trees being stronger then the ingame trees.

To be honest I don't think you get my post. You can run all weapons skills and not class and be meta. You can not do that with classes. No I do not want them to be more powerful just on par. And no that is not what ESO was at the start. You could run all class abilities and be viable. It was a play as you want game. Now it is like what you said because of the unjust nerfs.

FYI your math is off a bit.

Your second build has 13 listed when you can only have 10 skills and 2 ultimate. It is 7 Templar, 1 2h, 1 assault, 2 dual wield, 1 fighter.

kathandira

No they are fine

Puncturing Sweeps does exactly what you claim it doesn’t. Magplars are pretty awesome. Not sure why you don’t feel the same.

Rampeal

Yes fix Templars

worrallj wrote: »

Blazing shield: True you can't do substantial damage with blazing shield, but honestly isn't that a Nerf that makes sense? It was a very powerful skill with zero tradeoffs.

Jabs: this may have been nerfed a while back before I was playing templar idk, but I still think it's *quite* a strong skill. I use it extensively, it doubles as my only self heal & spammable DPS.

Other Magicka damage abilities: they aren't quite as strong as sorc I know, but still very good. Blazing spear & solar barrage are awesome. I recommend you try out xynode's off balance templar. Melee Magicka, plenty of class skills, sounds like what your looking for. I've been playing it a little while and really enjoy it.

Edit: know what needs a Nerf IMHO? Psyjic skill line, especially elemental weapon. I always play the quests in order so don't usually have this unlocked, and it seems like 90% of build out there use this as the main spammable plus channelled acceleration. I'd call that OP.

Well I respectfully disagree about blazing shield.

Blaze shield at 50k health does 2k damage with a up to 6 sec wait time.

Where Reflective scales can kill a caster with it's own abilities and cause a ranged to nuke itself in pvp while, and it can be spammed.

Wardens Ice shield can absorb up to 50k ranged damage and can send projectiles that do well over 4k multiple times, or it can restore huge amounts of mana.

Stx

I dont like the poll options so I'm not going to vote. I think magicka templars are fun to play, versatile, and very powerful.

I think stamina templars need some help. The nerf to empowering sweep really hurt my playstyles, and stamplar dps is clearly suffering in pve so some sort of buff is warranted. Stamplars just have nothing going for them other than extended ritual. DKs have better healing and utility and minor brutality.

Drdeath20

Yes fix Templars

This is a class riddled with bugs and just about every skill has major design flaws. There is a ton of essential things missing from the templars toolbox that makes them shoehorned into1 role.

My favorite is the change they did to radiant aura by making it free. This was something we needed years ago when staves counted as 1 armor piece. Now its really not difficult for a healer to slot 1 bar destro and the other bar resto. It being this big AoE minor magicka steal is just a small quality of life change and the secondary effect is not very good. The 10% on all stats is ok but its gets lost on a bar swap. I call this my favorite change bcz it perfectly sums up how templars get buffs. They do it years too late when it no longer matters and the skill is still not good enough

CambionDaemon

Considering that there is a stamina templar running around in Sotha Sil (PS4) who is extremely tough to kill (due to healing) and has insane damage, I am going to say no. But he is a very good player. The point that I am making is that all of the classes are powerful if you can take the time and learn very little nuance of the character.

I would welcome a proper overhaul to ALL class skills though.

Drdeath20

Yes fix Templars

CambionDaemon wrote: »

Considering that there is a stamina templar running around in Sotha Sil (PS4) who is extremely tough to kill (due to healing) and has insane damage, I am going to say no. But he is a very good player. The point that I am making is that all of the classes are powerful if you can take the time and learn very little nuance of the character.

I would welcome a proper overhaul to ALL class skills though.

What unique healing does a stamplar have?

Drdeath20

Yes fix Templars

Templars are the best healers but the funny thing is they dont have the best heals and stamplars have the worst heals/healing out of every class/spec.

CambionDaemon

I don't know what he was using (not vigor), but his health went from almost dead to 80% every time. As I said though really good player, made me think about dusting my templars off.

StarOfElyon

Yes fix Templars

Can you please stop hitting me while I spam BoL to try to heal up? Please?

Oh, and don't dump your AOE on my house, thank you. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a house in this game, after all.

And another thing, how do you expect me to hit you with my puncturing sweeps if you won't stay still? Be considerate to others.

Drdeath20

Yes fix Templars

CambionDaemon wrote: »

I don't know what he was using (not vigor), but his health went from almost dead to 80% every time. As I said though really good player, made me think about dusting my templars off.

Maybe it was the restoration staff ultimate.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

From a PVP perspective the only true disadvantage a Templar has is burst DPS on a full or near health opponent. It can still be done but it’s mostly by jabs and they can be hit or (literally) miss.

In every other scenario Templars may actually be the best overall class. Best healers, usually the best tanks, arguably the best execute.

I’d like some buffs ... I personally don’t use the Aedric Spear line at all or any of the ultimates ... but if you are willing to get creative ANYTHING is possible in the right hands with a Templar.

Anyone who thinks that Templars have a true meta at the top ends of the game need to open up their minds a bit.

Imryll

It's not just templars. I really hope that when they reinvent CP, they will do it in a way that allows them to re-empower class skills without trivializing content.

Hexquisite

Yes fix Templars

Yes.
Though I am just a pvp healer with support DPS. Every patch it seems that they change something that makes me have to tank up even more.

This patch we lost Major Protection on Empowering Sweeps, and on Light's Champion. This affected me greatly, as I generally run a small 4 person team, and end up focused by many players at once quite a bit as is the nature of Vivec. I do not think that I should live forever, and these two skills didn't always allow me to live, but they did allow me to not get plowed down every 5 mins, which of course is much more enjoyable.

With as buggy as everything is right now: Topple charge Bug, Mist Form, Immovable, Heavy Attack Bug, weird delays after roll dodging and break free, and yes lag, these two skills also helped make these less frustrating.

worrallj

No they are fine

@Rampeal that's a good point, but to be fair the skills you mention just reflect projectiles which is not nearly as big a defensive buff as a full blown damage shield. A big damage shield that also does good damage, plus puncturing Sweeps which does good damage and heals at the same time, and I think Templars would start to be the class that didn't have to pick between doing & mitigating damage.