I really don't want to play stamina Necromancer :(

Daedric_NB_187

Every class except for NB and Warden had the exact same skill set up in PvE for stamina. All the same DW/Bow abilities plus the 1-2 stam morphs for the class. Magicka didn't have that. They finally show stamina some class love and you want to complain. FOH with that noise. I'm glad stamina finally has a class that can use it's class skills so it's not the same cookie cutter DW/Bow set up every other stamina based class is.

Emmagoldman

FierceSam wrote: »

Then really don’t play one.

I wish all game issues were this easy to resolve.

Man, this is my life. I teach middle school and I give my students several options on how to do the assignment. One will come up to me and say, I dont want to draw the comic! I just look at the and say, ok, choose another.

Almost like if the solution was just that simple the whole time.......

max_only

I’m not saying it’s broken, but I agree that Magicka Necromancer feels lackluster. I have so many endless hail/caltrops/vigor characters now that I was hoping Necromancer would be a real “caster” experience. When I look at it, all the stam morphs just look better.

Stamplar, stamden, stamsorc, stamdk, stamNb. Every single one has endless hail and/or caltrops and/or vigor and/or poison injection and/or rearming trap and/or twin slashes. Every single one. It’s fun, don’t get me wrong, I was just hoping to play a new class not a recolor of what I already have.

I think maybe the solution is a new weapons skill line 1h&rune.

I’m also going to force myself to use Psijic and Mages Guild because AS IS Magicka Necromancer just doesn’t feel magical.

Waffennacht

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

To those that say don't be competitive etc...

Due to MMR there's no chance of not bringing a grade A build. If you don't, you're just gonna have a bad time.

Due to what? For what content? What you talkin bout Willis?

BGs. AFAIK MMR is only applicable to BGs

Anti_Virus

The days of stick and skirt Elder robes online are over, Stamina is here to stay.

jircris11

Mage necro and honestly I'm burning through things of a laughable pace. Their aoe dmg is insane.

Thokri

It is bit boring that effective builds are almost same on every class.

Non-class abilities should be just novelty/for lulz instead of what they are currently.

"Every class can be what they want" is big part of ESO but cost of it is that all good builds end up same ignoring class abilities.

jircris11

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

FierceSam wrote: »

Then really don’t play one.

I wish all game issues were this easy to resolve.

OP bought an expansion only to find a broken class and your advise is dont play one. Really? So if you go buy $50 worth of electronics that dont work today rather than ask for them to be fixed by the seller you would just not use them?

It's not broken, its PERFECTLY playable. People are just mad it's not pure OP.

Runefang

I assume the people saying it's fine are not pushing for high end dps.

Grandma

Runefang wrote: »

I assume the people saying it's fine are not pushing for high end dps.

if by high end dps you mean 100k, because magcro hits 89k. it's kinda funny how nobody parsed over 100k before the new dummy came out. almost like it means nothing, and that most people who push for high end dps cap around 50k regardless of class.

MashmalloMan

If you forget about damage numbers for 1 second you would see how the mag morphs are much more interesting imo.

Mystic Siphon does DMG and returns your main resource.. Stam morph does more damage at the end in a 4m radius. Mortal Coil returns stam but doesn't have dynamic scaling so the heal is extremely weak.

Skeletal mage's attacks are aoe.. Stam morph does more single target damage.

Flame Skull bounces between 3 targets on 3rd cast and does extra damage.. Stam morph reaches 3rd cast via other abilities and does more damage.

Ice Flesh Atro does a stun after 3 seconds.. Stam Morph does more damage.

Blastones Stam morph is better for PvP because of major defile, but once they iron out the kinks with the mechanics, the mag morph damage should be extremely bursty to use.

Mag gets a unique aoe ground dot with a self synergy themed with tombstones.. Stam uses caltrops that every Stam build uses.

Every mag ability in the healing tree that doesn't scale with Stam...

If you've noticed. Almost every Stam morph just does more damage while it's awesome for DPS, it's not particularly that interesting or unique.

navystylz_ESO

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Unfortunately they gave all the good morphs to stamina necromancers, who already have a lot of great weapon skills, while magicka characters only get elemental blockade. I get now why there are less stamina morphs for most classes, they already have a ton of good weapon skills plus caltrops.

You argue about abilities then say stamina can just use weapon skills and non-class skills?? Uh, no thanks. Also plenty of fighters with necromantic or dark magic, so not sure how "you don't get it."

Actually like that being stamina doesn't mean I don't feel like a caster. It allows me to play a Death Knight as stamina without gimping myself using magicka and stamina, while the feel of the class remains.

navystylz_ESO

TriangularChicken wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I want to play a Necromancer, and a necromancer to me and to most people are summoners and magicka based. Stamina Necromancers dont really make sense and the stamina morphs really don't make sense. I want to be casting spells from range, I dont want to be using daggers and bows while playing necromancer.

Unfortunately they gave all the good morphs to stamina necromancers, who already have a lot of great weapon skills, while magicka characters only get elemental blockade. I get now why there are less stamina morphs for most classes, they already have a ton of good weapon skills plus caltrops.

I feel like if I play Magicka Necromancer I'm just handicapping myself. I made a khajit necromancer so I can switch between both, but why??? why did they make magicka necros so bad.

Fix blastbones and make it more reliable and faster, they nerfed it for pvp and made megicka necros useless in pve. Stamina necros dont care cause they have a ton of other reliable skills.

The bold parts show that you have no idea what you are talking about or are simply overreacting.
To say Mag Necros are useless in PvE is a lie, they are pretty much on par with other ranged mag DD classes as you can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyNYLCn_vqE

..but I agree that Blastbones need a fix/buff. It's ridiculous how fast they die and how slow they move..and it's even more of a joke that NBs get a big heal and major berserk by simply casting no cost Reaper's Mark on Blastbones..

Thank you! This video needed to be posted. People hear "Stamina is better" without any context or information and they assume magicka just sucks. It's a problem in MMOs when people just hear things like this and make assumptions.

Made up scenario and reaction:
Stamina does 95k dps
Magicka does 80k dps
Content requires only 40k dps

Reaction: OMG magicka sucks and doesn't work at all. Obv pvp would be different and it's own issues...

LeHarrt91

If you dont want to then dont. I only use a MagDen atm and they are in the same boat as magicka necromancer lol

max_only

Marshall1289 wrote: »

If you forget about damage numbers for 1 second you would see how the mag morphs are much more interesting imo.

Mystic Siphon does DMG and returns your main resource.. Stam morph does more damage at the end in a 4m radius. Mortal Coil returns stam but doesn't have dynamic scaling so the heal is extremely weak.

Skeletal mage's attacks are aoe.. Stam morph does more single target damage.

Flame Skull bounces between 3 targets on 3rd cast and does extra damage.. Stam morph reaches 3rd cast via other abilities and does more damage.

Ice Flesh Atro does a stun after 3 seconds.. Stam Morph does more damage.

Blastones Stam morph is better for PvP because of major defile, but once they iron out the kinks with the mechanics, the mag morph damage should be extremely bursty to use.

Mag gets a unique aoe ground dot with a self synergy themed with tombstones.. Stam uses caltrops that every Stam build uses.

Every mag ability in the healing tree that doesn't scale with Stam...

If you've noticed. Almost every Stam morph just does more damage while it's awesome for DPS, it's not particularly that interesting or unique.

This is a rare occurrence for the internet but I think you might have.... not changed my mind... given me a refreshed perspective. Thanks

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx

Then don't play it. It's that easy

StormChaser3000

On a bright side you can equip your stamina necromancer with 2H and apply Caswell's weapon shovel skin. Necromancer with a shovel... That should look hilarious

Fur_like_snow

Stamina was always gonna be better because stam derives mostly from the weapon skill lines. It’s kinda played out at this point but what are ya gonna do?

Bigevilpeter

navystylz_ESO wrote: »

TriangularChicken wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I want to play a Necromancer, and a necromancer to me and to most people are summoners and magicka based. Stamina Necromancers dont really make sense and the stamina morphs really don't make sense. I want to be casting spells from range, I dont want to be using daggers and bows while playing necromancer.

Unfortunately they gave all the good morphs to stamina necromancers, who already have a lot of great weapon skills, while magicka characters only get elemental blockade. I get now why there are less stamina morphs for most classes, they already have a ton of good weapon skills plus caltrops.

I feel like if I play Magicka Necromancer I'm just handicapping myself. I made a khajit necromancer so I can switch between both, but why??? why did they make magicka necros so bad.

Fix blastbones and make it more reliable and faster, they nerfed it for pvp and made megicka necros useless in pve. Stamina necros dont care cause they have a ton of other reliable skills.

The bold parts show that you have no idea what you are talking about or are simply overreacting.
To say Mag Necros are useless in PvE is a lie, they are pretty much on par with other ranged mag DD classes as you can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyNYLCn_vqE

..but I agree that Blastbones need a fix/buff. It's ridiculous how fast they die and how slow they move..and it's even more of a joke that NBs get a big heal and major berserk by simply casting no cost Reaper's Mark on Blastbones..

Thank you! This video needed to be posted. People hear "Stamina is better" without any context or information and they assume magicka just sucks. It's a problem in MMOs when people just hear things like this and make assumptions.

Made up scenario and reaction:
Stamina does 95k dps
Magicka does 80k dps
Content requires only 40k dps

Reaction: OMG magicka sucks and doesn't work at all. Obv pvp would be different and it's own issues...

15k dps difference is huge, also in order for magicka to get this much lower dps they have to play in melee range, losing any benifit of playing magmancer. Stamancer would be a much more logical option

BalticBlues

OP is right. For playing competitively, only Stam works. ONCE AGAIN.
ZOS promised not to repeat the design failures of Wardens.
But in the end, ZOS even copied the failures from MagWardens to MagNecros:

Both Magicka classes are plagued with micromanagement skills.
Both Magicka classes cannot even use one spammable execute.
While Stamina can select of three spammable weapon executes.

Even the Warden/Necro skills are similar (Skull mimics Cliff Racer, BlastBones mimics Fissure, ...).
Necros somehow play like reskinned Wardens: Warden skin is life, Necro skin is death.
And especially in PVP, playing without any spammable execute sucks.

I wanted to play MagWarden, but had to switch to StamWarden for playing competitively.
And now I find the the same with Necros again. Why does Magicka always suck lately?
MagWardens and MagNecros need at least one spammable Execute. Stamplayers have three.
Suggestion: ZOS could easily redesign DESTRO-IMPULSE as spammable Execute.

TheShadowScout

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I really don't want to play stamina Necromancer

Then don't.
Its really that easy.

However, at this point I am very much reminded of another post:

TheShadowScout wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

I'm sure the devs will make certain that the Necromancer class has no worthless/bad skills, skill morphs, and passives.

...the devs... will make... certain...

...no... worthless... or... bad...

Good morphs??? Who the fu... uhm... who cares? Its more fun to find ways to make a not super effective setup work for you anyhow! And besides, you realize that in due time, there will be a round of "rebalancing" changes anyhow... because its always that way, things never ever work out quite as intended, and they have to make adjustments. And maybe some nerfings for the stamancer and buffings for the necromage will be coming this way in a while...

Better idea:
Just learn how to stop worrying about super-effectiveness and live with playing the game.
Its way much more fun going down that road then chasing the ever elusive META!

BalticBlues

Sorry, but I find the posts of defending the designs flaws here lacking any arguments.
"It's easy" ... "just learn" ... "just do not play" ... "wait for balancing" ... "funny pictures" ... bla bla bla

MagWardens already suck for FULL TWO YEARS now.
If fixing MagWardens is too costly for ZOS, ok. But using it as a blueprint for another failure?
People paid for a competitive MagClass, not for another support MagClass.

Ravena

Y'know, spellblades and battlemages are an actual thing in Elder Scrolls.

A necromancer battlemage isn't that far fetched.