I really don't want to play stamina Necromancer :(

Bigevilpeter

I want to play a Necromancer, and a necromancer to me and to most people are summoners and magicka based. Stamina Necromancers dont really make sense and the stamina morphs really don't make sense. I want to be casting spells from range, I dont want to be using daggers and bows while playing necromancer.

Unfortunately they gave all the good morphs to stamina necromancers, who already have a lot of great weapon skills, while magicka characters only get elemental blockade. I get now why there are less stamina morphs for most classes, they already have a ton of good weapon skills plus caltrops.

I feel like if I play Magicka Necromancer I'm just handicapping myself. I made a khajit necromancer so I can switch between both, but why??? why did they make magicka necros so bad.

Fix blastbones and make it more reliable and faster, they nerfed it for pvp and made megicka necros useless in pve. Stamina necros dont care cause they have a ton of other reliable skills.

Elwendryll

If you don't want to play stamina then don't. Blastbone is bugged, nothing to do with that 🤔

Bigevilpeter

Elwendryll wrote: »

If you don't want to play stamina then don't. Blastbone is bugged, nothing to do with that 🤔

even without the bug it's still unreliable and very slow

FierceSam

Then really don’t play one.

I wish all game issues were this easy to resolve.

Bam_Bam

So don't play it?

I made a magicka necromancer and I'm having a blast (bones. LOL unintentional pun but it's actually true).

Turelus

If you don't want to play Stamina then don't. Magicka Necromancer isn't so bugged it can't complete content or compete in PvP.

Massacre_Wurm

Depends. I am playing 2h/2h stamina necro right know. Deathknight theme and such. Perfectly fine for questing ,exploring , normal dungeons , etc. I dont wanna to run with daggers and bow also.

Having so many good stam morths is good. You actually can keep class identity in stamina build.

biminirwb17_ESO

Just levelling a Magcromancer at the moment, got to level 30 so far. (1450cp).

I just soloed the group boss in the Orcrest? Public Dungeon in Elsweyr and got the skill point, the Crow guy with the 1 million health points and all his birdie buddies.

Its fun to play, all light, khajiit, vamp in gear collected along the way, (cant be bothered making stuff at low level).

Will be interesting to see how the skills develop at cp160 but for now it feels good.

mb10

I’m the exact same as you smh

Being forced to play stamina when it’s on ps4 because magicka will simply get walked all over in PVP.

The stamina morphs are so much better...again like the warden.

TriangularChicken

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I want to play a Necromancer, and a necromancer to me and to most people are summoners and magicka based. Stamina Necromancers dont really make sense and the stamina morphs really don't make sense. I want to be casting spells from range, I dont want to be using daggers and bows while playing necromancer.

Unfortunately they gave all the good morphs to stamina necromancers, who already have a lot of great weapon skills, while magicka characters only get elemental blockade. I get now why there are less stamina morphs for most classes, they already have a ton of good weapon skills plus caltrops.

I feel like if I play Magicka Necromancer I'm just handicapping myself. I made a khajit necromancer so I can switch between both, but why??? why did they make magicka necros so bad.

Fix blastbones and make it more reliable and faster, they nerfed it for pvp and made megicka necros useless in pve. Stamina necros dont care cause they have a ton of other reliable skills.

The bold parts show that you have no idea what you are talking about or are simply overreacting.
To say Mag Necros are useless in PvE is a lie, they are pretty much on par with other ranged mag DD classes as you can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyNYLCn_vqE

..but I agree that Blastbones need a fix/buff. It's ridiculous how fast they die and how slow they move..and it's even more of a joke that NBs get a big heal and major berserk by simply casting no cost Reaper's Mark on Blastbones..

Davor

So you can't imagine or pretend that the green bar is poison or poisonous magika?

After all, I never see the characters huff and puff when it runs out. Heck we don't even sweat. So it's just a different type of magika after all.

stewhead2ub17_ESO

absolute silliness. Moving on.

Bigevilpeter

FierceSam wrote: »

Then really don’t play one.

I wish all game issues were this easy to resolve.

I paid for the expansion to play the necromamcer, not playing necromancer or playing a handicapped one is not a solution

Bigevilpeter

TriangularChicken wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I want to play a Necromancer, and a necromancer to me and to most people are summoners and magicka based. Stamina Necromancers dont really make sense and the stamina morphs really don't make sense. I want to be casting spells from range, I dont want to be using daggers and bows while playing necromancer.

Unfortunately they gave all the good morphs to stamina necromancers, who already have a lot of great weapon skills, while magicka characters only get elemental blockade. I get now why there are less stamina morphs for most classes, they already have a ton of good weapon skills plus caltrops.

I feel like if I play Magicka Necromancer I'm just handicapping myself. I made a khajit necromancer so I can switch between both, but why??? why did they make magicka necros so bad.

Fix blastbones and make it more reliable and faster, they nerfed it for pvp and made megicka necros useless in pve. Stamina necros dont care cause they have a ton of other reliable skills.

The bold parts show that you have no idea what you are talking about or are simply overreacting.
To say Mag Necros are useless in PvE is a lie, they are pretty much on par with other ranged mag DD classes as you can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyNYLCn_vqE

..but I agree that Blastbones need a fix/buff. It's ridiculous how fast they die and how slow they move..and it's even more of a joke that NBs get a big heal and major berserk by simply casting no cost Reaper's Mark on Blastbones..

you have to stay in melee range to get good dps, and still yoy will be much worse than stamancers. Also Liko makes every class look like god mode not really a referance

stewhead2ub17_ESO

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

FierceSam wrote: »

Then really don’t play one.

I wish all game issues were this easy to resolve.

I paid for the expansion to play the necromamcer, not playing necromancer or playing a handicapped one is not a solution

It is a solution. Then play a necro if you want. I'm loving mine (magicka). I don't really understand your need to make this post. If you feel you are "handicapped" playing a magicka necro, then that's a "YOU" issue and maybe you should rethink your approach to the game on all characters. Just maybe you can make a toon or two just for fun.

rabidmyers

its extremely fun tho haha, should def try it

Elsonso

Prior to going live, I had been playing only Magicka, and had a lot of fun with it. Something made me make a Stamina version for my official Live Necro.

I don't do characters for maximum potential in combat. I do characters that I think will be fun to play. I don't typically do stamina characters because they often end up not being fun to play.

So far, I am liking my Stamina DW Necro.

As for: "Stamina Necromancers dont really make sense" ... I feel the same way about Stamina Sorcs. So much so that I have never even tried one. Of course, there is no such thing as a non-magical character in ESO. All of the classes are Magicka, and Stamina has always been a secondary after-thought. I am still waiting for the Stamina class that morphs to Magicka.

srfrogg23

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I want to play a Necromancer, and a necromancer to me and to most people are summoners and magicka based. Stamina Necromancers dont really make sense and the stamina morphs really don't make sense. I want to be casting spells from range, I dont want to be using daggers and bows while playing necromancer.

Unfortunately they gave all the good morphs to stamina necromancers, who already have a lot of great weapon skills, while magicka characters only get elemental blockade. I get now why there are less stamina morphs for most classes, they already have a ton of good weapon skills plus caltrops.

I feel like if I play Magicka Necromancer I'm just handicapping myself. I made a khajit necromancer so I can switch between both, but why??? why did they make magicka necros so bad.

Fix blastbones and make it more reliable and faster, they nerfed it for pvp and made megicka necros useless in pve. Stamina necros dont care cause they have a ton of other reliable skills.

There's an easy solution here: stop being hypercompetitive. Stop chasing the META. Stop listening to spreadsheet toting, min/maxing, power-gaming dweebs on the internet. Just play the game.

Nemesis7884

Tip just play what u want without looking to the right and left all the time....your gonna be happier in the long run

Azyle1

I think this topic is more of "I am crying being mad isn't as strong as stam".

Mag Necro is fine. Stam is OP, it's whatever.

zaria

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

Depends. I am playing 2h/2h stamina necro right know. Deathknight theme and such. Perfectly fine for questing ,exploring , normal dungeons , etc. I dont wanna to run with daggers and bow also.

Having so many good stam morths is good. You actually can keep class identity in stamina build.

Yes should play 2H on her, the shovel 2H motif is kind of priceless.

NeillMcAttack

OP, what is the basis of this “nerfed it for PvP” claim?

BluntLightsaber

From a PVE perspective:

In order for necromancers to be balanced they have to parse lower than the rest of the classes, in my parses against the Iron Atro on a magicka necro I usually achieve 9% uptime on Major Vulnerability, if you translate this directly to a trial, a lone necro is worth around an extra 20% of a DD just from high ultimate uptime, 8DDs doing 3% extra damage blah blah blah. Obviously in a dungeon this scales differently as there are fewer DDs to benefit, and solo it's even weaker, so you can see that there are already scaling issues with necro that might not be as prevalent with other classes (this is true for all support roles btw, especially healers). So while necro has a fun interaction with the rest of the group by increasing damage for everyone, you need to balance this with stacking necromancers, overlapping ultis = diminishing returns, more coordinated groups can stack more necros etc. Then you run into the big, glaring issue, stamina necros are currently the top/close to the top performing stamDD while offering the same benefits, meaning that where you can, people will just stack stamina necros and call it a day.

In addition to all of this you run into the other obvious problem, necro skills are janky as hell and the rotation is not fun to perform, this is currently keeping magicka necromancers balanced in terms of that 20% imo but also makes the class very unfun to play, even if you've already reconciled yourself to a support/DD role. To reiterate, necromancers should never ever be the top parsing DD because of that ultimate, they've added a balancing nightmare that's only being kept at bay because the class has issues with targeting etc.

That's how I feel about necro at least, it's overly negative, but I feel a bit jaded as nothing has changed since they introduced the class on the PTS.

In short, the point I'm trying to make is you're balanced if you do less damage than everyone else while playing necro. Stamina necro is overtuned, I'm not sure how they'll bring it back inline with the ultimate as it is, the only thing stopping it at the moment is its skill targeting, but try not to feel obligated to play it.

I really hope that they fix the skills and find some way to keep it balanced while doing so...

Paazhahdrimaak

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I want to play a Necromancer, and a necromancer to me and to most people are summoners and magicka based. Stamina Necromancers dont really make sense and the stamina morphs really don't make sense. I want to be casting spells from range, I dont want to be using daggers and bows while playing necromancer.

Unfortunately they gave all the good morphs to stamina necromancers, who already have a lot of great weapon skills, while magicka characters only get elemental blockade. I get now why there are less stamina morphs for most classes, they already have a ton of good weapon skills plus caltrops.

I feel like if I play Magicka Necromancer I'm just handicapping myself. I made a khajit necromancer so I can switch between both, but why??? why did they make magicka necros so bad.

Fix blastbones and make it more reliable and faster, they nerfed it for pvp and made megicka necros useless in pve. Stamina necros dont care cause they have a ton of other reliable skills.

It is hard when a traditionally "Magicka" based classed is way stronger doing a stam version.
Magicka Sorcs and Necros need to be stronger than stamina builds of the same class.

Waffennacht

To those that say don't be competitive etc...

Due to MMR there's no chance of not bringing a grade A build. If you don't, you're just gonna have a bad time.

JiKama

Well.... The same thing could be said for a StamDen..... I love the necromancer when my abilities work.

srfrogg23

Waffennacht wrote: »

To those that say don't be competitive etc...

Due to MMR there's no chance of not bringing a grade A build. If you don't, you're just gonna have a bad time.

Due to what? For what content? What you talkin bout Willis?

ZarkingFrued

FierceSam wrote: »

Then really don’t play one.

I wish all game issues were this easy to resolve.

OP bought an expansion only to find a broken class and your advise is dont play one. Really? So if you go buy $50 worth of electronics that dont work today rather than ask for them to be fixed by the seller you would just not use them?

Grandma

nobody's holding a gun to your head and telling you to play stamcro. I'm making one because it hits high dps. do I like stam dps typically? no. Do i like hitting high dps ? yes. am i willing to make the compromise for some easier time parsing in raids? Sure, but he's just an alt. it's not be all end all of the world. Just play what you like. If you don't want to play stamcro and have no reason to play stamcro then just go magcro. it's not even that much worse.

also I just checked some Liko parses.

on the new dummy with magcro he hits 89k dps. okay? keep that in mind.

then on stamcro he hits 102k dps. holy crap right?

now ask yourself. in what situation will you ever be hitting that high. also in what situation will you need to hit that high, compared to 50 or 60k.

Stamcro might be easier to hit higher numbers with, but i'd hardly call the difference enough to dismiss a class as remotely viable. in fact, i'd garner that nobody would have known the difference if it weren't for people who press the meta to the extreme and then distribute that information like it matters to the average person.

the only viable argument i can see is that it would be "easier" to hit higher on stamcro. like, with the same number of abilities and same light attack ratio, you'd be hitting like 3-4k higher. And if i'm being honest with you that's kinda big, but not remotely big enough to consider forcing yourself into a role or specc you dislike just because it's meta.

alanmatillab16_ESO

srfrogg23 wrote: »

There's an easy solution here: stop being hypercompetitive. Stop chasing the META. Stop listening to spreadsheet toting, min/maxing, power-gaming dweebs on the internet. Just play the game.

This covers a good 95% of the whines on the forums, it is also why many other games have ended up with homogenised character classes. Damage meters/parsing or whatever they are called in a particular game are the bane of creative class design.

srfrogg23

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

FierceSam wrote: »

Then really don’t play one.

I wish all game issues were this easy to resolve.

OP bought an expansion only to find a broken class and your advise is dont play one. Really? So if you go buy $50 worth of electronics that dont work today rather than ask for them to be fixed by the seller you would just not use them?

It's not broken. It's just not #1. It's not the picture of statistical parity, so the OP is behaving like a overly dramatic damsel in distress, trying to convince everyone else that they are just some helpless victim. And, you're trying to be an enabler for that hyperbolic nonsense.