Hopefully the racial passives will be balanced next update.

Strider__Roshin

For Stam Nords are still garbage DPS, and it's Orc or nothing. This isn't balanced at all, and it's been this way since the previous PTS cycle and nothing was done about it.

blnchk

Imagine the outcry if Orcs were to be nerfed now that people have already used their free Race Change tokens.

Crixus8000

I hope races don't get nerfed just because pve players don't like that few k dps difference.

laissezfaire

There is always going to be BIS races for a particular role. Races are way more balanced than they used to be. The only way that all races could have the same effectiveness for every role is to have the same passives and that doesn't sound like much fun.

Nord is fine, orc is fine.

Khajiit and argonian could use a slight buff.

Vildebill

The races have never been as close to each other as they are now. You can do anything as any race on any role. Most effective, maybe not, but still fine.

Why did you choose the tank race for your stamina DPS character, and then complain about it?

DocFrost72

Genuine question, why should Nords be a DPS race and not a tanking race?

TequilaFire

Made a Nord for the first time and am quite happy with it.

blnchk

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Genuine question, why should Nords be a DPS race and not a tanking race?

Maybe they're violent drunks?

Vietfox

I'm quite happy with the racial changes, especially with the bosmer (+ penetration when roll dodging) and altmer (stamina back when using class skills) ones.

sionIV

blnchk wrote: »

Imagine the outcry if Orcs were to be nerfed now that people have already used their free Race Change tokens.

Let them cry. They should have known this would happen sooner or later when they race changed. It was obvious after the second change to Orcs, that they would be by far the strongest Stamina DD.

highkingnm

Not every race needs to compete at the same level as others. Nords are amazing tanks and, unless you are min-maxing, will still hit good DPS numbers in the right hands. If you want racial passives at all, you have to accept not all races can excel at every role. And that doesn’t limit you from anything except the absolute hardest scoreboard content.

shimm

Bosmers have the most useless 3rd trait of all the races...

DocFrost72

blnchk wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Genuine question, why should Nords be a DPS race and not a tanking race?

Maybe they're violent drunks?

So they can't hit their targets but they don't feel pain and scream obscenities at their opponents? Sounds like a tank to me xD

technohic

I like my Nords how they are and would not want any changes that break that.

Tryxus

blnchk wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Genuine question, why should Nords be a DPS race and not a tanking race?

Maybe they're violent drunks?

When Nords have mead, they are protective of it. Then they're tanks
When someone steals their mead... Top deeps right there

Ratzkifal

And don't forget to fix Argonian, Bosmer and Altmer lore while we are at it.
Racial passives have no reason for being at all if they aren't based in lore. Otherwise we might as well "choose our destiny" at the start and pick stats regardless of race.

DreadDaedroth

They should revert argonians' racial passives.

Ratzkifal

shimm wrote: »

Bosmers have the most useless 3rd trait of all the races...

@shimm Which one are you talking about? Hunter's Eye? That's their first passive, not their third. If you are talking about 258 stam regen, then you are wrong. It's quite powerful. Certainly more powerful than Redguards outside of lab conditions anyway.

DeadlyRecluse

I hope we get a good 2 years before any more racial passive changes. It's pretty swell right now, I have toons of each race, and they each serve a purpose.

ZarkingFrued

Daus wrote: »

For Stam Nords are still garbage DPS, and it's Orc or nothing. This isn't balanced at all, and it's been this way since the previous PTS cycle and nothing was done about it.

What is your definition of balance? Essentially you want every class to be the same?

John_Falstaff

I do hope they'll make another balancing pass. Not sure what they were thinking (if they were thinking at all) when they overloaded orcs with such abundance of stats, it was clear as day that orc will end up being runaway meta. And later on, instead of adjusting that, they further skewed the picture by nerfing food - something that did bring sustain stamina races a bit higher (although 'middle ground' races like khajiits grew even worse), but on magicka side, pushed already top tier bretons even higher (since they just continue to run Bloody Mara without any sacrifices for sustain). So many misguided balancing attempts.

BaylorCorvette

Nords are amazing for PvP

shimm

Ratzkifal wrote: »

@shimm Which one are you talking about? Hunter's Eye? That's their first passive, not their third. If you are talking about 258 stam regen, then you are wrong. It's quite powerful..

Yes I meant hunters eye (I should have named it, the 2 two websites I looked up the racial passives on both list it 3rd). I just looked through all of the racial passives again, and it is (by far) the least useful of any. Even a straight increase of 500 penetration would be more useful... and still less useful than any other of the races passives. In my opinion of course.

DeadlyRecluse

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

Nords are amazing for PvP

And solid for PvE tanking. And tavern RP.

Kr3do

*Race isn't perfect for the role and content you're playing yet it shines in other scenarios that you choose to ignore*

"Omg nord dead race dps so bad go orc or go home, agree button below"

Banana

Orcs need an adjustment

Zacuel

So say I take my dark elf. Boost to resource and damage.

Slap an infused recovery glygh on 1 piece of jewelry.

My racial covers the lost resources and damage while putting my sustain close to other races.

So the difference becomes negligible.

Or am I wrong?

I'm asking you forum math guys.

mann9753b16_ESO

Or, maybe… and just hear me out here, we leave the races with some differences, allow each of them to have pros and cons, and dont try to make every race the exact same, just with a different skin?

Salvas_Aren

If they try to change passives again, they should hand us more tokens.

And idk why they made the Imperial an imp without Erial. Premium class - not premium at all.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Crixus8000 wrote: »

I hope races don't get nerfed just because pve players don't like that few k dps difference.

Ok but in exchange pvp player stop etting our skill nerfed

Beffagorn

Crixus8000 wrote: »

I hope races don't get nerfed just because pve players don't like that few k dps difference.

Few Ks of dps? We're talking about less than 300dps difference.

The races are far more balanced than before, parses and math have ALWAYS shown an incredibly small margin of difference that comes down to player skill and error.

This is just another thread pushing an agenda, like 99% of the threads regarding balance.