Riverhold Dragon 100% respawn on death...WTF

reidbaker

So I'm not sure how this got through testing - but on the Battle For Riverhold, once you knock the dragon with the ballista, if you die (pretty easy to do for an early story quest) - he respawns at 100% in the arena with NO ballista. How the hell? AND it's at the end of an instance you have to do entirely again if you want another legitimate crack at him.

Am I missing something? This is remarkably frustrating for such an early story quest. You die, you have to redo the entire instance again (and manually exit to retry)... soulstones are useless.

reidbaker

I'm watching videos where the encounter is structured way different. When he's downed, leaving 1% health, he seems rather unassuming. But when I attempted him, he was a huge damage sponge that had massive AOE that essentially 2-shotted me. And again, if you die during that last 1%, he respawns at 100%.

With One Tamriel, I thought content scaled to your level, nothing so far in Elsweyr has been problematic. But this story quest halted with my level 10 Necro.

LeagueTroll

Working as intended. It shows new players they need to git gud and start search for solution early, so they won’t be doing 4 digit dps at 300cp.

reidbaker

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Working as intended. It shows new players they need to git gud and start search for solution early, so they won’t be doing 4 digit dps at 300cp.

This is remarkably unhelpful. Respawning at 100% can't be what's intended considering how the fight starts. And what do you mean 'git gud'. It's a sharp change in an early story quest that I'm assuming is under One Tamriel.

It's broken. Simple as that.

Siohwenoeht

I thought all bosses/mobs reset on wipe... Why would this dragon be any different?

If you'd like a "tear your hair out" frustration level, try soloing the kings in skyreach catacombs and wiping with the last one just barely above execute...

reidbaker

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

I thought all bosses/mobs reset on wipe... Why would this dragon be any different?

If you'd like a "tear your hair out" frustration level, try soloing the kings in skyreach catacombs and wiping with the last one just barely above execute...

This boss has an opening mechanic that knocks out 99% of it's health. If you die (he hits really hard and 2-shot me, which is different from anything else encountered), re respawns to 100% and the mechanic is disabled, which is intended to be part of the fight.

reidbaker

reidbaker wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

I thought all bosses/mobs reset on wipe... Why would this dragon be any different?

If you'd like a "tear your hair out" frustration level, try soloing the kings in skyreach catacombs and wiping with the last one just barely above execute...

This boss has an opening mechanic that knocks out 99% of it's health. If you die (he hits really hard and 2-shot me, which is different from anything else encountered), re respawns to 100% and the mechanic is disabled, which is intended to be part of the fight.

And the problem with completely restarting the fight is that you have to redo the entire instance by manually leaving. Using a soul-stone is wasteful in this case. The game doesn't provide any information on this if it's intended - I'm not so new to this game that I think this is consistent. Finished summerset and other zone quests, this is a very unique case.

jainiadral

I hope this is a bug

russelmmendoza

Well, the overland dragon took 10 plus cp cap guys to take down, this dragon is quest story dragon right? They should be easy to take down, or are they made to be hard for new players?

reidbaker

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Well, the overland dragon took 10 plus cp cap guys to take down, this dragon is quest story dragon right? They should be easy to take down, or are they made to be hard for new players?

You're missing the issue. The mechanic doesn't reset. It allows you to blow through soul stones trying to figure out what's going on. You have to manually reset the while instance and work through the entire instant to try again. They shouldn't allow you to use a soul stone if it's "working as intended". I'm guessing it's not working as it should.

SirAndy

reidbaker wrote: »

With One Tamriel, I thought content scaled to your level

This is wrong by the way.

Since 1T, everything you encounter in the world is fixed at CP160 and *you* are scaled up to match (and even exceed) the stats of a CP160 player.

The difference is important ...


PS: Not that this helps you with your bug

Mr_Walker

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Working as intended. It shows new players they need to git gud and start search for solution early, so they won’t be doing 4 digit dps at 300cp.

1000+ dps?

How much "gudder" do I need to be?

Bekkael

I’m glad you lovely PC folks are working out all the bugs before we get the new content in 2 weeks. 😝

Seriously though, that sounds super frustrating and I hope they sort out whatever isn’t working properly. If it were me, I would probably leave my low level newbie character and take my high CP main through the story content until a fix comes. Good luck. 👍

vgabor

Err... wasn't this thing in PTS for like a month or more to test?

zaria

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

I thought all bosses/mobs reset on wipe... Why would this dragon be any different?

If you'd like a "tear your hair out" frustration level, try soloing the kings in skyreach catacombs and wiping with the last one just barely above execute...

Its some exceptions if you have npc helpers they might continue to fight the boss while you res. Its an nice way to make an boss harder while still be doable on low level characters.

Loralai_907

So all I am seeing is abandon the quest and start it over as the only way to deal with this quest if you die. It seems to bring you back a little bit more than would be reasonable, I really don't want to have to abandon the quest 15 times and redo that much every time (my girls squishy lol, but 15 times might be an exaggeration). So for now, I will not be continuing the main quest and will go do something else instead

@ZOS_GinaBruno is this being looked into by chance?

idk

reidbaker wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Working as intended. It shows new players they need to git gud and start search for solution early, so they won’t be doing 4 digit dps at 300cp.

This is remarkably unhelpful. Respawning at 100% can't be what's intended considering how the fight starts. And what do you mean 'git gud'. It's a sharp change in an early story quest that I'm assuming is under One Tamriel.

It's broken. Simple as that.

I agree that comment was not helpful and seemed more like it was a jab at you and that they clearly did not read the entire post.

However, I would expect the dragon to respawn at 100% if the player died. The issue is the fight does not totally reset according to what you say. The dragon should be on the roof and the ballista available so you start from scratch. I cannot tell you how I did that fight because I did not find it terribly difficult to figure out on the spot. Maybe watch some videos but you may have to reset it for now.

Going forward though, this is a clear sign more people need to test out on the PTS . OP is on PC so can help test things out in future PTS cycles.

Narvuntien

I definitely found and reported that bug

Caligamy_ESO

This isn't a bug.. when hes on the rooftop he has something like 14 million HP, when hes shot down he has a few 100k (300k'ish?) but the health bar fills up to 100% as if that is his new max health amount. I did die on this fight to see what happened, but the only weird thing that it did to me was he stopped taking damage at around 2.2k health remaining like the bar was out of sync because he didn't refill to full health when I died.

Regardless he still died on a fresh lvl 8 character with some pickup gear and no CP applied...

LeagueTroll

Mr_Walker wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Working as intended. It shows new players they need to git gud and start search for solution early, so they won’t be doing 4 digit dps at 300cp.

1000+ dps?

How much "gudder" do I need to be?

'4 digit dps' means <10k

LeagueTroll

reidbaker wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Working as intended. It shows new players they need to git gud and start search for solution early, so they won’t be doing 4 digit dps at 300cp.

This is remarkably unhelpful. Respawning at 100% can't be what's intended considering how the fight starts. And what do you mean 'git gud'. It's a sharp change in an early story quest that I'm assuming is under One Tamriel.

It's broken. Simple as that.

but those builds online are, maybe try them?

reidbaker

LeagueTroll wrote: »

reidbaker wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Working as intended. It shows new players they need to git gud and start search for solution early, so they won’t be doing 4 digit dps at 300cp.

This is remarkably unhelpful. Respawning at 100% can't be what's intended considering how the fight starts. And what do you mean 'git gud'. It's a sharp change in an early story quest that I'm assuming is under One Tamriel.

It's broken. Simple as that.

but those builds online are, maybe try them?

That's like half of a solution. Again, dying and not having the required mechanic reset is a problem. And it's made worse by requiring a manual reset new players may not be aware of while burning through soul shards AND requires you to redo the whole instance.

idk

reidbaker wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

reidbaker wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Working as intended. It shows new players they need to git gud and start search for solution early, so they won’t be doing 4 digit dps at 300cp.

This is remarkably unhelpful. Respawning at 100% can't be what's intended considering how the fight starts. And what do you mean 'git gud'. It's a sharp change in an early story quest that I'm assuming is under One Tamriel.

It's broken. Simple as that.

but those builds online are, maybe try them?

That's like half of a solution. Again, dying and not having the required mechanic reset is a problem. And it's made worse by requiring a manual reset new players may not be aware of while burning through soul shards AND requires you to redo the whole instance.

As I pointed out earlier that they clearly did not read the entire post and seem more just trying to take a jab at you.

I hope you created a ticket on this to get Zos' attention. @ZOS_BillE might be able to pass this on to them but a ticket is always best.

Androconium

reidbaker wrote: »

So I'm not sure how this got through testing - but on the Battle For Riverhold, once you knock the dragon with the ballista, if you die (pretty easy to do for an early story quest) - he respawns at 100% in the arena with NO ballista. How the hell? AND it's at the end of an instance you have to do entirely again if you want another legitimate crack at him.

Am I missing something? This is remarkably frustrating for such an early story quest. You die, you have to redo the entire instance again (and manually exit to retry)... soulstones are useless.

So I'm not sure how this got through testing

Just guess, you don't need to be sure.

Am I missing something?

Nope.

What ballista?

RavenSworn

I've yet to encounter this, if there is a proper workaround, I'll post it up.

zabeebleb14_ESO

If this is the developers idea of a good quest mechanic - to give the player a way to knock a dragon almost down to nothing, make it so it can kill you in one or two attacks, then require you to ABANDON THE QUEST to even have a chance to finish it because the dragon just suddenly threw a massive spell that completely healed the damage that brought him down in the first place - then not only is it the MOST STUPID idea I've seen in gaming history but also the lamest example of mental fortitude in the field. Bravo! They've really outdone themselves this time. Really, are they getting that lazy in the game design business? It makes me worry for the future of gaming... even more than I was already.

Syb_ill

I had this issue as well. I abandoned the quest and had to start the whole thing over for it to happen again. I mean that dude immediately healed back most of his hp before I got maybe 4 hits on him. Leaving the zone and coming back did not restart the instance. BUT someone in my guild offered to help and groupes up with me. When I reentered the instance with the group formed it restarted the instance luckily. The dragon still healed almost immediately, but with the two of us (him being a higher level toon with cp he carried me to be fair) we were able to kill the damn thing.

So, the only fix I found to restart the instance is to get a buddy. It will restart the instance from the beginning though, so you will have to run to the temple and all the shrines again first before you get to the dragon, but it's a lot better than redoing the entire quest.

lonesail

I'm experiencing the same issue. Opened a ticket for it, because 1) Dragon shouldn't have 100% immunity at low health and 2) Resetting the dragon to 100% health when the encounter is clearly meant for just 1% health fight isn't right.

NeillMcAttack

When you shoot him he lands with a smidgin of health, but then you hit him a few times and his health fills back up anyway. So I don’t see what the difference is. You still have to wear him down from full health.

Syb_ill

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

When you shoot him he lands with a smidgin of health, but then you hit him a few times and his health fills back up anyway. So I don’t see what the difference is. You still have to wear him down from full health.

I've watched videos of other players where he does not heal. I don't think this is supposed to happen.

Embraer

I just killed the dragon as a level 10 Necro (solo). I kept dying because I kept leaving the "arena" and the Dragon would keep porting me back to him.
DON"T LEAVE THE ARENA, stay kinda close. Block what you can and heal when you can. Steady damage works, just stay close