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And people still wonder why PTS is the most toxic place in ESO as a whole

Pr0Skygon
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3 words: INCAP. WITH. SILENCE!!!!! I'm legit scared right now. I'm scared of whoever can come up with this idea is now working for ZOS, and whoever approved this idea is also working for ZOS. if you're combat designer, you should know better that putting a powerful debuff with 0 counter play in 1 of the cheapest, highest damage dealing ulti in an already top tier 1v1 ganker in the game is an utterly terrible idea. The only other skill that can silence ppl is negate, which has a mind numbing counter play - the gtfo of the way move - but is still considered as 1 of the most OP ulti in PvP, especially in zerg battle (which tbh, is a norm in MMO games). So what were your thought process behind this change? Like seriously, what were you guys at ZOS thinking? The community have been shouting loud and clear that the silence debuff is way too punishing for 1 side, but is utterly useless in the other. And for that, you think putting the silence debuff in 1 of the most overused ulti of 1 of the biggest 1v1 bully class in the game is a good idea? I'm just... sad. I'm not even angry anymore, I'm tired of being angry all day. I'm just sad to see my beloved game keeps being hammered down by these obvious terrible idea.

I do however, understand that ZOS have done many wonderful thing to the game, and I wanna give credit where credit is due. ZOS have made some amazing changes to my girl templar, to my 3 dragonknights. I'm not 100% on board with the whole magsorc nerf, but I think we should all agree that they were overperforming in a big way. I mean even after the nerf hammer, magsorc is still 1 of the most potent pvp class in the game, and petsorc is still 1 of the easiest yet effective DPS in PvE.

But please understand ZOS: None of this will matter when you keep on making these idiotic decision for class balance. Remember the time you almost make Dragon Blood heals more when magDk run out of magicka? Terrible idea. And thanks to this even, the whole DK community rioted. Remember when you make a 28 meters stun skill that cannot be dodge nor block? Terrible idea. And thanks to this actual change, all PvPers suffer (even magsorc keep on getting sms on how noob they are for playing OP skill). And now we come to this.

Please ZOS, for the love of Meridia, please just nerf this skill as you've promised, literally nerf it. Not just "change" it, nerf it. It's an overperforming skill that has no business being this good. As a stamNB player myself, even I feel like this skill is ridiculously OP. It's a 120 cost ulti that deals massive damage and give 1 of the best debuff in game, which cannot be avoided in anyway (either silence, or defile). "But you can cleanse it". If only 1 out of 6 classes can reliably do it, then that's not counter play, that's a rock paper scissor mechanic. Either make the skill have a stun if use with 120 ulti, or let us be able to break free from silence in the same way as to Total Dark (the reflect debuff from Templar).

There's only 1 week left, the clock is ticking. Please ZOS, save Elsweyr :(
  • Zacuel
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    Yes.
  • Ocelot9x
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    Pts is toxic due to all mag players complaining for everything that could affect their playstile. This patch they promised a class overhaul but still stamsorc is left behind and only thing stamdk got was a buff to a clunky skill and a nerf to the spammable effect of claw. We also got a huge nerf to uppercut (hello 14% less damage) our only decent “spammable”. But no one cares and now everyone is flooding the pts opening threads instead of responding to the already opened ones. Incap change is cool and i hope zos don’t listen to the people who are zerging the forum.
    You know why the pts is toxic? Cause most of magicka players are.
  • ChunkyCat
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    Insightful.
  • Pr0Skygon
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    Ocelot9x wrote: »
    Pts is toxic due to all mag players complaining for everything that could affect their playstile. This patch they promised a class overhaul but still stamsorc is left behind and only thing stamdk got was a buff to a clunky skill and a nerf to the spammable effect of claw. We also got a huge nerf to uppercut (hello 14% less damage) our only decent “spammable”. But no one cares and now everyone is flooding the pts opening threads instead of responding to the already opened ones. Incap change is cool and i hope zos don’t listen to the people who are zerging the forum.
    You know why the pts is toxic? Cause most of magicka players are.

    I'd disagree on the "magicka players are toxic", cause as far as I see it, everyone can be toxic, even stam players :'( I mean I still QQ about stamDK sustain, and a lot more are still QQ about stamsorc sustain, which tbh, is a fair point.

    The fact that we see a lot more crying on PTS about mag is just because mag are either too good (former magsorc) or just too clunky (magden).
  • Deathlord92
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    The toxicity is because mag sorcs constantly trying to get nb butchered no class should be butchered everyone deserves to enjoy eso on there class. Mag sorcs are on the same lv as nb in terms of damage and mag sorcs have better survivability if you know how to play it anyway I’m tired of you guys asking for nb nerfs you earned silence being on incap.
    Edited by Deathlord92 on May 9, 2019 7:00AM
  • Rygonix
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    This rivalry between the two most popular class/spec combos is getting worn out.
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  • Pr0Skygon
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    The toxicity is because mag sorcs constantly trying to get nb butchered no class should be butchered everyone deserves to enjoy eso on there class. Mag sorcs are on the same lv as nb in terms of damage and mag sorcs have better survivability if you know how to play it anyway I’m tired of you guys asking for nb nerfs you earned silence being on incap.

    My man, come on :( Really?
  • Pr0Skygon
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    Rygonix wrote: »
    This rivalry between the two most popular class/spec combos is getting worn out.

    As someone who has both magsorc and stamnb, I'm sick of watching these 2 sides fighting each others on PTS :)) Just play the other, and you'll know what's wrong with the classes.
  • juhislihis19
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    Pr0Skygon wrote: »
    Rygonix wrote: »
    This rivalry between the two most popular class/spec combos is getting worn out.

    As someone who has both magsorc and stamnb, I'm sick of watching these 2 sides fighting each others on PTS :)) Just play the other, and you'll know what's wrong with the classes.

    Solution?

    Buff other classes to match stamblade and magsorc. No more pickering.
  • Azurya
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    Not only PTS, also PVP-gamers, who think the whole game should be adusted to their ideas of how this game should function...............................
    have a nice day
  • Pr0Skygon
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    Pr0Skygon wrote: »
    Rygonix wrote: »
    This rivalry between the two most popular class/spec combos is getting worn out.

    As someone who has both magsorc and stamnb, I'm sick of watching these 2 sides fighting each others on PTS :)) Just play the other, and you'll know what's wrong with the classes.

    Solution?

    Buff other classes to match stamblade and magsorc. No more pickering.

    Well ZOS did say that they wanna buff every other class to the level of stamNB, since stamNB is so overperforming in both pvp and pve. And look what they did.

    I already have trust issue, and now this :(
  • Feanor
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    Azurya wrote: »
    Not only PTS, also PVP-gamers, who think the whole game should be adusted to their ideas of how this game should function...............................
    have a nice day

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  • Elwendryll
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    Pr0Skygon wrote: »
    Ocelot9x wrote: »
    Pts is toxic due to all mag players complaining for everything that could affect their playstile. This patch they promised a class overhaul but still stamsorc is left behind and only thing stamdk got was a buff to a clunky skill and a nerf to the spammable effect of claw. We also got a huge nerf to uppercut (hello 14% less damage) our only decent “spammable”. But no one cares and now everyone is flooding the pts opening threads instead of responding to the already opened ones. Incap change is cool and i hope zos don’t listen to the people who are zerging the forum.
    You know why the pts is toxic? Cause most of magicka players are.

    I'd disagree on the "magicka players are toxic", cause as far as I see it, everyone can be toxic, even stam players :'(

    Actually, stam players are more toxic. Poison damage get buffed by the mighty CP star and generally scales with max stamina and weapon damage. You're welcome.
    Edited by Elwendryll on May 9, 2019 8:35AM
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  • Bergzorn
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    If you look at the typical playstyle and toolkit of Stamblades, the Silence on Incap makes total sense. Surprise the enemy with some burst to half health, then silence them and finish them off.

    Whoever designed this just seems to have forgotten that the NB's opponents are real players and not NPCs.

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  • irstarkey57
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    Honestly, the extent of most of the bs comments comes from people that legit just don"t know the game as well as others. What I mean by that....New people that don't think soloing a normal dungeon is even possible. New people that run from the normal dungeon bosses without a tank. New people that get to cp 160 from only questing and think they are endgame, etc...get the pattern here? I have friends that are max cp without beating vma yet. much less flawless. and they dont pvp worth a damn. ive been pveing and pvping for 4 years now and love both. but to hear anyone try to advocate this incap change shows a HUGE...i reapeat, HUGE lack of knowledge for the game. And lets say you are a stamblade that absolutely loves this change, and why wouldnt you, you are ONLY thinking of yourself and not for the good of the game. We need people that play all toons to stand up and just be real. This change is bs. Worst I have seen in years and im not the only one that thinks so. All main youtube content creaters are like wtf is this. Anyway, if this is the way the game is going, its time for a hang up. Too many l2p issue players these days, so called one v xer streamers who only zerg non prime time.....its a *** show. Devs having no idea what they are doing....im lost, evident from my rambling....yea...GfnG
  • Miswar
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    Pr0Skygon wrote: »
    Rygonix wrote: »
    This rivalry between the two most popular class/spec combos is getting worn out.

    As someone who has both magsorc and stamnb, I'm sick of watching these 2 sides fighting each others on PTS :)) Just play the other, and you'll know what's wrong with the classes.

    Solution?

    Buff other classes to match stamblade and magsorc. No more pickering.

    Buff whar? .. if you really cannor kill mag sorcs than pick up your mirror.. look at it and mantra "I have serious learn to play issues"... repeat that at least 100 times than go play.

    ...than again giving some class one click kill ANY mag characters (magplars, magdens, sorcs, dk's....) is just beyond absurd.

    How the hell this even passed through their meetings and into pts is utterly mind boggling + scary!!!
  • juhislihis19
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    Miswar wrote: »
    Pr0Skygon wrote: »
    Rygonix wrote: »
    This rivalry between the two most popular class/spec combos is getting worn out.

    As someone who has both magsorc and stamnb, I'm sick of watching these 2 sides fighting each others on PTS :)) Just play the other, and you'll know what's wrong with the classes.

    Solution?

    Buff other classes to match stamblade and magsorc. No more pickering.

    Buff whar? .. if you really cannor kill mag sorcs than pick up your mirror.. look at it and mantra "I have serious learn to play issues"... repeat that at least 100 times than go play.

    ...than again giving some class one click kill ANY mag characters (magplars, magdens, sorcs, dk's....) is just beyond absurd.

    How the hell this even passed through their meetings and into pts is utterly mind boggling + scary!!!

    Ah, there it is again. The perennial, self-denial "L2P bro" -argument, always used by the biased, extremely sensitive player-base.

    Here's a solution for you:

    Take off your pointy sorcerer hat, pick up a mirror and repeat: "I am in serious self-denial, and cannot assess this game objectively without getting my knickers in a bunch"

    If you are sensitive in a game, you're likely sensitive in real life as well. This should help you out!
  • Pr0Skygon
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    Honestly, the extent of most of the bs comments comes from people that legit just don"t know the game as well as others. What I mean by that....New people that don't think soloing a normal dungeon is even possible. New people that run from the normal dungeon bosses without a tank. New people that get to cp 160 from only questing and think they are endgame, etc...get the pattern here? I have friends that are max cp without beating vma yet. much less flawless. and they dont pvp worth a damn. ive been pveing and pvping for 4 years now and love both. but to hear anyone try to advocate this incap change shows a HUGE...i reapeat, HUGE lack of knowledge for the game. And lets say you are a stamblade that absolutely loves this change, and why wouldnt you, you are ONLY thinking of yourself and not for the good of the game. We need people that play all toons to stand up and just be real. This change is bs. Worst I have seen in years and im not the only one that thinks so. All main youtube content creaters are like wtf is this. Anyway, if this is the way the game is going, its time for a hang up. Too many l2p issue players these days, so called one v xer streamers who only zerg non prime time.....its a *** show. Devs having no idea what they are doing....im lost, evident from my rambling....yea...GfnG

    Mah man, how about an imaginary hug?
  • Pr0Skygon
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    Miswar wrote: »
    Pr0Skygon wrote: »
    Rygonix wrote: »
    This rivalry between the two most popular class/spec combos is getting worn out.

    As someone who has both magsorc and stamnb, I'm sick of watching these 2 sides fighting each others on PTS :)) Just play the other, and you'll know what's wrong with the classes.

    Solution?

    Buff other classes to match stamblade and magsorc. No more pickering.

    Buff whar? .. if you really cannor kill mag sorcs than pick up your mirror.. look at it and mantra "I have serious learn to play issues"... repeat that at least 100 times than go play.

    ...than again giving some class one click kill ANY mag characters (magplars, magdens, sorcs, dk's....) is just beyond absurd.

    How the hell this even passed through their meetings and into pts is utterly mind boggling + scary!!!

    Ah, there it is again. The perennial, self-denial "L2P bro" -argument, always used by the biased, extremely sensitive player-base.

    Here's a solution for you:

    Take off your pointy sorcerer hat, pick up a mirror and repeat: "I am in serious self-denial, and cannot assess this game objectively without getting my knickers in a bunch"

    If you are sensitive in a game, you're likely sensitive in real life as well. This should help you out!

    I think that you're missing the point of @Miswar

    He/she did not wanna deny the fact that sorc was so OP, but stating that at the very least when sorc was on the top of the food chain, they were not impossible to counter (for example you can block crystal frag stun, bleed go through shield, etc). In this case of silence Incap however, there's little to nothing a mag player can do against stamNB. Effective counter play is what needed for every single skill out there. If there's no effective answer to a skill, then that's what we call "Overpowered".
  • rosendoichinoveb17_ESO
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    OMG i read the last word in the title wrong!
    Edited by rosendoichinoveb17_ESO on May 9, 2019 12:50PM
  • Iskiab
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    I’m scared we’ll get yet another pointless thread about the same thing.
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  • Jabassa
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    I completely agree, whoever came up with this crap needs to be terminated from employment
  • Morgul667
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    Pts is a scam
  • Jabassa
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    #DontToddHowardMyESO
  • DaveMoeDee
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    Most players aren't toxic. The toxic ones just stand out.
  • Vercingetorix
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    The community can help fix problems with Elsweyr. Yes, ultimately ZoS is at fault because they make the final decision and can choose to ignore the players, but the players must at least make an honest effort to help ZoS:

    1. STOP basing class performance on unrealistic dummy parses that are NOT representative of class performance in a real boss fight with mechanics that require movement and defensive tactics. Target dummies are for practicing rotation - NOT a tool for determining DPS. ZoS needs video evidence of new class abilities working or not working in a boss fight in order to understand WHY something needs to be changed. Community focus on dummy parses ultimately gives ZoS a very limited scope to work with.

    2. Class balance is achieved by IMBALANCE between classes - each class NEEDS to be its own playstyle. Homogenization leads to further problems as gameplay becomes linear, predictable, and quickly causes otherwise niche sets to be discarded. The end result of homogenization is a stale game where only a few armor sets and abilities matter - build diversity is key to a healthy game.
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  • Cortimi
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    Ocelot9x wrote: »
    Pts is toxic due to all mag players complaining for everything that could affect their playstile. This patch they promised a class overhaul but still stamsorc is left behind and only thing stamdk got was a buff to a clunky skill and a nerf to the spammable effect of claw. We also got a huge nerf to uppercut (hello 14% less damage) our only decent “spammable”. But no one cares and now everyone is flooding the pts opening threads instead of responding to the already opened ones. Incap change is cool and i hope zos don’t listen to the people who are zerging the forum.
    You know why the pts is toxic? Cause most of magicka players are.

    Here here. I posted a thread voicing concerns about getting my Wings clipped as a StamDK and got nothing but hate and "lrn2adapt" by mag players saying how "balanced" the change was, and that is was somehow a "buff, if you knew how to play".

    Try telling all those same mag players how to counter Silence and "lrn2adapt" and all Oblivion breaks loose.

    So if those same mag players "knew how to play, they would realize that Incap with silence is actually a nerf", because now you don't have to waste stam breaking a CC, you can just dodgeroll away and use an Immove pot to prevent the CC. 9k stam use vs 4k stam use. See? What a nerf, lrn2adapt, quit crying.
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  • Miswar
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    Miswar wrote: »
    Pr0Skygon wrote: »
    Rygonix wrote: »
    This rivalry between the two most popular class/spec combos is getting worn out.

    As someone who has both magsorc and stamnb, I'm sick of watching these 2 sides fighting each others on PTS :)) Just play the other, and you'll know what's wrong with the classes.

    Solution?

    Buff other classes to match stamblade and magsorc. No more pickering.

    Buff whar? .. if you really cannor kill mag sorcs than pick up your mirror.. look at it and mantra "I have serious learn to play issues"... repeat that at least 100 times than go play.

    ...than again giving some class one click kill ANY mag characters (magplars, magdens, sorcs, dk's....) is just beyond absurd.

    How the hell this even passed through their meetings and into pts is utterly mind boggling + scary!!!

    Ah, there it is again. The perennial, self-denial "L2P bro" -argument, always used by the biased, extremely sensitive player-base.

    Here's a solution for you:

    Take off your pointy sorcerer hat, pick up a mirror and repeat: "I am in serious self-denial, and cannot assess this game objectively without getting my knickers in a bunch"


    If you are sensitive in a game, you're likely sensitive in real life as well. This should help you out!

    Lol! I hate to disappoint you but haven't pvp with sorcs (neither stam nor mag) for months but have been killing them.

    Unfortunately not infected with "learn to play" thus feel sorry to disappoint you. I have no problems with the fact that they have made necromancers strong since after all they need to sell their chapters.

    ...but to introduce this kind of an "skill" they now have I do have problem with it. They even admit the fact themselves there is 0 counterplay againts it and lets be honest any decent stamblade will kill MAG toon with this rubbish. If not than well... you know.
    Edited by Miswar on May 9, 2019 1:46PM
  • Reverb
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    I’ve never even heard anyone allege that pts is the most toxic thing in eso, let alone wonder why.

    And so I reject the premise of your thread title and won’t be bothered to read the wall of ranting that follows.
    Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche
  • DeadlyRecluse
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    Reverb wrote: »
    I’ve never even heard anyone allege that pts is the most toxic thing in eso, let alone wonder why.

    And so I reject the premise of your thread title and won’t be bothered to read the wall of ranting that follows.

    ^this.

    Honestly not sure what's going on here. People are mad about some changes. Mad=/=toxic.
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