Whirling Blades starts to push other classes in line with sBlade it seems.

Azyle1

Watched Liko's last few videos. Did sSorc, sBlade and sWarden. I assume DK and Necro are coming ( No one cares about you, Templar - At least Stamina wise ).

Looking at the DPS, sBlade was slightly above sSorc by a few hundred DPS but then lower than sWarden by 3-5k DPS ( Liko says 94K seems realistic ). While sWarden was already close, the addition of an "execute" so to speak has pushed them ahead and brought others up.

I never had an easy time linking videos, so if you just Youtube "Liko ESO" it'll come right up.

Though things could change, I am curious to see other's thoughts with this. sBlade for a long time ( Since at least Morrowind )has been top dog and it seems that is coming to a close.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Whirling blades got a big nerf. The scaling went from 100% to 50%, something the skill desperately needed. It still might be too powerful though.

Azyle1

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Whirling blades got a big nerf. The scaling went from 100% to 50%, something the skill desperately needed. It still might be too powerful though.

These tests were done post nerf.

xMovingTarget

It's still too strong. Way to, strong. The execute damage kicks in at 50%. The damage did not get changed. So hit execute damage of 60k+ with an AoE attack is straight up reta......

If that is an attempt to provide all stam builds with an execute, it's done wrong. Every class rather should have a single target execute in their class kit.

The damage of whirling is ridiculous. Replace your main spam at around 35% and you will hit more with whirling. Stupid.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Azyle1 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Whirling blades got a big nerf. The scaling went from 100% to 50%, something the skill desperately needed. It still might be too powerful though.

These tests were done post nerf.

Then it is still too powerful.

AJ_133

The morphs are the same, they just swapped places. You can use it on live too. Whirling blades on live are the cost reduction of pts's steel tornado. And both morphs on live do up to 100% more damage based on the percent of missing health. The execute should still be nerfed imo. Using an aoe ability as a single target execute is stupid, and even then it should outdamage spammables at <25% health, not 35%.

Arcanasx

xMovingTarget wrote: »

It's still too strong. Way to, strong. The execute damage kicks in at 50%. The damage did not get changed. So hit execute damage of 60k+ with an AoE attack is straight up reta......

If that is an attempt to provide all stam builds with an execute, it's done wrong. Every class rather should have a single target execute in their class kit.

The damage of whirling is ridiculous. Replace your main spam at around 35% and you will hit more with whirling. Stupid.

For PvE, would you say that whirling blades is more powerful than endless hail?

Izaki

Yeah Stamblades are over. Sucks for me but great for anyone who likes Wardens! Gonna have Bear zergs in raids smh

LiquidPony

AJ_133 wrote: »

The morphs are the same, they just swapped places. You can use it on live too. Whirling blades on live are the cost reduction of pts's steel tornado. And both morphs on live do up to 100% more damage based on the percent of missing health. The execute should still be nerfed imo. Using an aoe ability as a single target execute is stupid, and even then it should outdamage spammables at <25% health, not 35%.

You can't reliably just drop your spammable at 35% and switch to Whirling Blades spam. It's really expensive. The threshold also varies depending on your build. For a stamden it's about 31% where it starts doing more than Cutting Dive. For a stamsorc using Rapid Strikes it's different, and different still for a stamplar.

Arcanasx wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

It's still too strong. Way to, strong. The execute damage kicks in at 50%. The damage did not get changed. So hit execute damage of 60k+ with an AoE attack is straight up reta......

If that is an attempt to provide all stam builds with an execute, it's done wrong. Every class rather should have a single target execute in their class kit.

The damage of whirling is ridiculous. Replace your main spam at around 35% and you will hit more with whirling. Stupid.

For PvE, would you say that whirling blades is more powerful than endless hail?

No. It was close in 5.0.1 but it's not now.

Arcanasx

LiquidPony wrote: »

AJ_133 wrote: »

The morphs are the same, they just swapped places. You can use it on live too. Whirling blades on live are the cost reduction of pts's steel tornado. And both morphs on live do up to 100% more damage based on the percent of missing health. The execute should still be nerfed imo. Using an aoe ability as a single target execute is stupid, and even then it should outdamage spammables at <25% health, not 35%.

You can't reliably just drop your spammable at 35% and switch to Whirling Blades spam. It's really expensive. The threshold also varies depending on your build. For a stamden it's about 31% where it starts doing more than Cutting Dive. For a stamsorc using Rapid Strikes it's different, and different still for a stamplar.

Arcanasx wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

It's still too strong. Way to, strong. The execute damage kicks in at 50%. The damage did not get changed. So hit execute damage of 60k+ with an AoE attack is straight up reta......

If that is an attempt to provide all stam builds with an execute, it's done wrong. Every class rather should have a single target execute in their class kit.

The damage of whirling is ridiculous. Replace your main spam at around 35% and you will hit more with whirling. Stupid.

For PvE, would you say that whirling blades is more powerful than endless hail?

No. It was close in 5.0.1 but it's not now.

What I'm trying to say is that if whirling blades is still considered to be too strong and needs to be nerfed further (which is what some other people are complaining about), then what about its performance compared to other skills for DPS? We can clearly see that there are other skills that are now doing a lot more damage in these high DPS parses, such as endless hail for example, which is a very strong AOE DOT that procs enchantments from the other bar while allowing you to spam other damaging skills.

Endless hail is basically mandatory for good stam DPS and has been for a very long time; and its currently much more useful than whirling blades for stam DPS at the moment. Its also something you start using at the beginning of the fight when your target is at 100% health (unlike whirling blades), all the way down to like 5%, and yet from the PvE balance perspective you don't hear much whining about endless hail at all despite its extremely strong performance. The point I'm trying to make is that there is so much bias against "spin2win" that despite the big nerf that is the new execute threshold, the whirling blade knee-jerk reactionaries continue to tunnel vision and concoct these perfect scenarios where whirling blades would shine while ignoring the bigger picture. It really just comes to a strong personal dislike of the skill where they want it nerfed to the point where barely anyone will use it, rather than from a place of reason.

"But what about PvP? Whirling blades is so going to OP!!!" Which I also don't buy this at all. The new execute threshold starting at 50% instead of 100%, the reduction from 9m to 6m if you want the execute. It being affected by major evasion on top of other forms of mitigation, and the buffing of the other AOEs across the board (Brawler is going to be very strong), ensures that this skill will not be the over the top skill that these whirling blades alarmists think it will and are freaking out about.

templesus

Lol I love maining Stamplar.