What is your DPS looking like so far on the PTS?

Azyle1

Curious - I personally am speaking from a stam perspective .

Playing a Khajiit sNecro/sBlade on the new dummy I have found the following -

Necro - Relequen/Tooth : 85-90k ish DPS.

Blade - Relequen/AY : 85k ish DPS

Necro still seems pretty strong compared to blade, but I also haven't done any test with whirling blades ( I assume that won't make it to live as is as it seems kinda powerful ).

I think sBlade for a PVE standpoint is pretty good still. I'd like to see where Warden falls now though, which will be my next and probably last test as I do not play Plar, DK or Sorc.

Anyone else have any thoughts? Many still think Nightblade is gutted and I don't think that is quite true.

Olupajmibanan

80-82k solo on target Iron Attronach with a duo inferno petsorc.

Daedric Prey nerf touched my dps a lot, but buffed Lighting Flood morph made for some of the lost dps. Also it's AoE is huge, so even more group utility.

sudaki_eso

Mind doing the dps tests on the regular dummy? its pretty hard to compare your numbers to what we have now if you use the raid dummy.

Darlon

Yes, normal dummies makes comparison to live a lot easier...

Olupajmibanan

Darlon wrote: »

Yes, normal dummies makes comparison to live a lot easier...

The Raid dummy is made for class and setup comparison.

I don't know if OP's intent is to compare classes between each other, or compare PTS dps with live DPS. He posted Raid dummy DPS, so I guess he wants to see class comparisons.


If this is what you want to see, my 3m parses on a duo inferno petsorc are around 56k.

Azyle1

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Darlon wrote: »

Yes, normal dummies makes comparison to live a lot easier...

The Raid dummy is made for class and setup comparison.

I don't know if OP's intent is to compare classes between each other, or compare PTS dps with live DPS. He posted Raid dummy DPS, so I guess he wants to see class comparisons.

This one.

Narvuntien

I am not particularly good (and play on 300 ping ) and I am using my normal 3m target dummy and not the raid dummy but my dps has gone up 4-5K or something significant.

34K for MagDk (Silks/Sun/Grothdar), I was tripping over my rotation because it has changed with the molten whip changes and I am fighting against muscle memory.

40K For Pet Sorc (Necro/SIrioira/infernal), I heard there was a bunch of bugs with pets so I need to test this again to see if this was a bug because I don't remember doing this much.

I was struggling a bit with Mag Necro (Siroira/mothers sorrow/ llambras) only 30K It takes me time to learn a rotation and nercos is kind of complicated.

I haven't tried out my Stamden

Also since I don't have DLC dungeons on live I didn't test that stuff

Darlon

so far only used the regular 3M dummy on the pts.

Only did magcro and noticed that the results vary a lot. Seems like the difference between a good parse and a parse with small mistakes can be quite big. (Bigger than I have on live with mag nb). Might be because of the fact that all is new and still getting used to stuff (and bad ping maybe).

Results so far are around 45-47k for a parse that ‘felt good’. Which is compared to live about the same (maybe 1-2k less) as I do on my NB

Colecovision

Azyle1 wrote: »

Curious - I personally am speaking from a stam perspective .

Playing a Khajiit sNecro/sBlade on the new dummy I have found the following -

Necro - Relequen/Tooth : 85-90k ish DPS.

Blade - Relequen/AY : 85k ish DPS

Necro still seems pretty strong compared to blade, but I also haven't done any test with whirling blades ( I assume that won't make it to live as is as it seems kinda powerful ).

I think sBlade for a PVE standpoint is pretty good still. I'd like to see where Warden falls now though, which will be my next and probably last test as I do not play Plar, DK or Sorc.

Anyone else have any thoughts? Many still think Nightblade is gutted and I don't think that is quite true.

Did your nightblade and necro have the same amount of health when you tested?

Azyle1

Colecovision wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Curious - I personally am speaking from a stam perspective .

Playing a Khajiit sNecro/sBlade on the new dummy I have found the following -

Necro - Relequen/Tooth : 85-90k ish DPS.

Blade - Relequen/AY : 85k ish DPS

Necro still seems pretty strong compared to blade, but I also haven't done any test with whirling blades ( I assume that won't make it to live as is as it seems kinda powerful ).

I think sBlade for a PVE standpoint is pretty good still. I'd like to see where Warden falls now though, which will be my next and probably last test as I do not play Plar, DK or Sorc.

Anyone else have any thoughts? Many still think Nightblade is gutted and I don't think that is quite true.

Did your nightblade and necro have the same amount of health when you tested?

We lost some HP with Atreum. Like 500 or so.

Colecovision

Azyle1 wrote: »

Colecovision wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Curious - I personally am speaking from a stam perspective .

Playing a Khajiit sNecro/sBlade on the new dummy I have found the following -

Necro - Relequen/Tooth : 85-90k ish DPS.

Blade - Relequen/AY : 85k ish DPS

Necro still seems pretty strong compared to blade, but I also haven't done any test with whirling blades ( I assume that won't make it to live as is as it seems kinda powerful ).

I think sBlade for a PVE standpoint is pretty good still. I'd like to see where Warden falls now though, which will be my next and probably last test as I do not play Plar, DK or Sorc.

Anyone else have any thoughts? Many still think Nightblade is gutted and I don't think that is quite true.

Did your nightblade and necro have the same amount of health when you tested?

We lost some HP with Atreum. Like 500 or so.

I'm asking if you had a standard health when you tested or if the classes tested their dps with different amounts of health. That 2k health buff for necro is quite the food nerf buffer imo. Personally I'd need to lose stam on the nb using health glyphs to get up to a health level that I can play at. I suspect you're fine playing well where ever the max health lands so I thought I'd ask.

MassTerror23

Azyle1 wrote: »

Curious - I personally am speaking from a stam perspective .

Playing a Khajiit sNecro/sBlade on the new dummy I have found the following -

Necro - Relequen/Tooth : 85-90k ish DPS.

Blade - Relequen/AY : 85k ish DPS

Necro still seems pretty strong compared to blade, but I also haven't done any test with whirling blades ( I assume that won't make it to live as is as it seems kinda powerful ).

I think sBlade for a PVE standpoint is pretty good still. I'd like to see where Warden falls now though, which will be my next and probably last test as I do not play Plar, DK or Sorc.

Anyone else have any thoughts? Many still think Nightblade is gutted and I don't think that is quite true.

To better compare the stam necro and stamblade don’t use tooth for the necro because I doubt that set will be meta

caperon

MassTerror23 wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Curious - I personally am speaking from a stam perspective .

Playing a Khajiit sNecro/sBlade on the new dummy I have found the following -

Necro - Relequen/Tooth : 85-90k ish DPS.

Blade - Relequen/AY : 85k ish DPS

Necro still seems pretty strong compared to blade, but I also haven't done any test with whirling blades ( I assume that won't make it to live as is as it seems kinda powerful ).

I think sBlade for a PVE standpoint is pretty good still. I'd like to see where Warden falls now though, which will be my next and probably last test as I do not play Plar, DK or Sorc.

Anyone else have any thoughts? Many still think Nightblade is gutted and I don't think that is quite true.

To better compare the stam necro and stamblade don’t use tooth for the necro because I doubt that set will be meta

Im curious about the reasoning about tooth not being meta because unless im missing something that set will provide close to 100% major slayer uptime and should be better than basically anything else other than relequen.

T3hasiangod

MassTerror23 wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Curious - I personally am speaking from a stam perspective .

Playing a Khajiit sNecro/sBlade on the new dummy I have found the following -

Necro - Relequen/Tooth : 85-90k ish DPS.

Blade - Relequen/AY : 85k ish DPS

Necro still seems pretty strong compared to blade, but I also haven't done any test with whirling blades ( I assume that won't make it to live as is as it seems kinda powerful ).

I think sBlade for a PVE standpoint is pretty good still. I'd like to see where Warden falls now though, which will be my next and probably last test as I do not play Plar, DK or Sorc.

Anyone else have any thoughts? Many still think Nightblade is gutted and I don't think that is quite true.

To better compare the stam necro and stamblade don’t use tooth for the necro because I doubt that set will be meta

Based on testing, both on dummies and in raids, Lokkestiiz is outperforming AY.

LiquidPony

MassTerror23 wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Curious - I personally am speaking from a stam perspective .

Playing a Khajiit sNecro/sBlade on the new dummy I have found the following -

Necro - Relequen/Tooth : 85-90k ish DPS.

Blade - Relequen/AY : 85k ish DPS

Necro still seems pretty strong compared to blade, but I also haven't done any test with whirling blades ( I assume that won't make it to live as is as it seems kinda powerful ).

I think sBlade for a PVE standpoint is pretty good still. I'd like to see where Warden falls now though, which will be my next and probably last test as I do not play Plar, DK or Sorc.

Anyone else have any thoughts? Many still think Nightblade is gutted and I don't think that is quite true.

To better compare the stam necro and stamblade don’t use tooth for the necro because I doubt that set will be meta

Why? AY is basically useless for 25% of the fight on a stamnecro because your crit will be at or near 100% during execute.

Tooth of Lokke also doesn't have any stacking mechanic to deal with, so it adds rotational flexibility and doesn't lose its benefit if you have to switch targets or if the boss goes invulnerable.

I can see where doing the traditional WM stacks with AY users could be marginally better in some fights (pure stack and burns where AY uptime is 95%+ and Major Slayer exceeds 50%), but on the other hand, consider that for overall group DPS, the people wearing War Machine will have significantly less DPS than they would if they were wearing Tooth of Lokke.

MassTerror23

caperon wrote: »

MassTerror23 wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Curious - I personally am speaking from a stam perspective .

Playing a Khajiit sNecro/sBlade on the new dummy I have found the following -

Necro - Relequen/Tooth : 85-90k ish DPS.

Blade - Relequen/AY : 85k ish DPS

Necro still seems pretty strong compared to blade, but I also haven't done any test with whirling blades ( I assume that won't make it to live as is as it seems kinda powerful ).

I think sBlade for a PVE standpoint is pretty good still. I'd like to see where Warden falls now though, which will be my next and probably last test as I do not play Plar, DK or Sorc.

Anyone else have any thoughts? Many still think Nightblade is gutted and I don't think that is quite true.

To better compare the stam necro and stamblade don’t use tooth for the necro because I doubt that set will be meta

Im curious about the reasoning about tooth not being meta because unless im missing something that set will provide close to 100% major slayer uptime and should be better than basically anything else other than relequen.

What about the mag toons in group? If it’s 4 stam and 4 mag and the stam are all using tooth then two mag have to wear MA but then there’s no guarantee that the stam won’t steal the MA major slayer from the mag during the time tooth isn’t active. Another thing is I’m a console player and from what I heard is that the iron-atro parses won’t be accepted so 3 mil and 6 mil parses with tooth won’t be possible.

caperon

MassTerror23 wrote: »

caperon wrote: »

MassTerror23 wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Curious - I personally am speaking from a stam perspective .

Playing a Khajiit sNecro/sBlade on the new dummy I have found the following -

Necro - Relequen/Tooth : 85-90k ish DPS.

Blade - Relequen/AY : 85k ish DPS

Necro still seems pretty strong compared to blade, but I also haven't done any test with whirling blades ( I assume that won't make it to live as is as it seems kinda powerful ).

I think sBlade for a PVE standpoint is pretty good still. I'd like to see where Warden falls now though, which will be my next and probably last test as I do not play Plar, DK or Sorc.

Anyone else have any thoughts? Many still think Nightblade is gutted and I don't think that is quite true.

To better compare the stam necro and stamblade don’t use tooth for the necro because I doubt that set will be meta

Im curious about the reasoning about tooth not being meta because unless im missing something that set will provide close to 100% major slayer uptime and should be better than basically anything else other than relequen.

What about the mag toons in group? If it’s 4 stam and 4 mag and the stam are all using tooth then two mag have to wear MA but then there’s no guarantee that the stam won’t steal the MA major slayer from the mag during the time tooth isn’t active.

Mag toons will use selfish sets in this case, like siroria, spell strategist, mother sorrow, the new vicious ophidian for magicka set... 100% major slayer is too good to pass. And you are assuming that magnb or magwardens (master arquitect users) will be meta dps, thing that i doubt, I see magnecros, magsorcs and maplars stronger.

MassTerror23

caperon wrote: »

MassTerror23 wrote: »

caperon wrote: »

MassTerror23 wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Curious - I personally am speaking from a stam perspective .

Playing a Khajiit sNecro/sBlade on the new dummy I have found the following -

Necro - Relequen/Tooth : 85-90k ish DPS.

Blade - Relequen/AY : 85k ish DPS

Necro still seems pretty strong compared to blade, but I also haven't done any test with whirling blades ( I assume that won't make it to live as is as it seems kinda powerful ).

I think sBlade for a PVE standpoint is pretty good still. I'd like to see where Warden falls now though, which will be my next and probably last test as I do not play Plar, DK or Sorc.

Anyone else have any thoughts? Many still think Nightblade is gutted and I don't think that is quite true.

To better compare the stam necro and stamblade don’t use tooth for the necro because I doubt that set will be meta

Im curious about the reasoning about tooth not being meta because unless im missing something that set will provide close to 100% major slayer uptime and should be better than basically anything else other than relequen.

What about the mag toons in group? If it’s 4 stam and 4 mag and the stam are all using tooth then two mag have to wear MA but then there’s no guarantee that the stam won’t steal the MA major slayer from the mag during the time tooth isn’t active.

Mag toons will use selfish sets in this case, like siroria, spell strategist, mother sorrow, the new vicious ophidian for magicka set... 100% major slayer is too good to pass. And you are assuming that magnb or magwardens (master arquitect users) will be meta dps, thing that i doubt, I see magnecros, magsorcs and maplars stronger.

Hmm that’s a valid point. I added to my comment about in some guilds I’m in on console that iron-atro parses won’t be accepted so on classes that don’t have cheap ult to swap from tooth to WM what are they suppose to do?

LiquidPony

MassTerror23 wrote: »

caperon wrote: »

MassTerror23 wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Curious - I personally am speaking from a stam perspective .

Playing a Khajiit sNecro/sBlade on the new dummy I have found the following -

Necro - Relequen/Tooth : 85-90k ish DPS.

Blade - Relequen/AY : 85k ish DPS

Necro still seems pretty strong compared to blade, but I also haven't done any test with whirling blades ( I assume that won't make it to live as is as it seems kinda powerful ).

I think sBlade for a PVE standpoint is pretty good still. I'd like to see where Warden falls now though, which will be my next and probably last test as I do not play Plar, DK or Sorc.

Anyone else have any thoughts? Many still think Nightblade is gutted and I don't think that is quite true.

To better compare the stam necro and stamblade don’t use tooth for the necro because I doubt that set will be meta

Im curious about the reasoning about tooth not being meta because unless im missing something that set will provide close to 100% major slayer uptime and should be better than basically anything else other than relequen.

What about the mag toons in group? If it’s 4 stam and 4 mag and the stam are all using tooth then two mag have to wear MA but then there’s no guarantee that the stam won’t steal the MA major slayer from the mag during the time tooth isn’t active. Another thing is I’m a console player and from what I heard is that the iron-atro parses won’t be accepted so 3 mil and 6 mil parses with tooth won’t be possible.

What people "accept" for solo DPS parses in no way reflects the meta for real raids.

And why wouldn't console players accept parses from the raid dummy? It dramatically simplifies the parsing process because everyone has a uniform set of buffs, debuffs, and uptimes to deal with. This should be especially pertinent to console players since you have no way of tracking buff/debuff uptimes in-game.

And anyway, if you're worried about people in Tooth of Lokke "stealing" Major Slayer from magicka toons, then put them in different stacks like we already do.

MassTerror23

LiquidPony wrote: »

MassTerror23 wrote: »

caperon wrote: »

MassTerror23 wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Curious - I personally am speaking from a stam perspective .

Playing a Khajiit sNecro/sBlade on the new dummy I have found the following -

Necro - Relequen/Tooth : 85-90k ish DPS.

Blade - Relequen/AY : 85k ish DPS

Necro still seems pretty strong compared to blade, but I also haven't done any test with whirling blades ( I assume that won't make it to live as is as it seems kinda powerful ).

I think sBlade for a PVE standpoint is pretty good still. I'd like to see where Warden falls now though, which will be my next and probably last test as I do not play Plar, DK or Sorc.

Anyone else have any thoughts? Many still think Nightblade is gutted and I don't think that is quite true.

To better compare the stam necro and stamblade don’t use tooth for the necro because I doubt that set will be meta

Im curious about the reasoning about tooth not being meta because unless im missing something that set will provide close to 100% major slayer uptime and should be better than basically anything else other than relequen.

What about the mag toons in group? If it’s 4 stam and 4 mag and the stam are all using tooth then two mag have to wear MA but then there’s no guarantee that the stam won’t steal the MA major slayer from the mag during the time tooth isn’t active. Another thing is I’m a console player and from what I heard is that the iron-atro parses won’t be accepted so 3 mil and 6 mil parses with tooth won’t be possible.

What people "accept" for solo DPS parses in no way reflects the meta for real raids.

And why wouldn't console players accept parses from the raid dummy? It dramatically simplifies the parsing process because everyone has a uniform set of buffs, debuffs, and uptimes to deal with. This should be especially pertinent to console players since you have no way of tracking buff/debuff uptimes in-game.

And anyway, if you're worried about people in Tooth of Lokke "stealing" Major Slayer from magicka toons, then put them in different stacks like we already do.

Some the reasons that were mentioned was that buffs like hircine and worm aren’t something given in trials (the guilds I’m in don’t run worm), major force uptime being 100% is a little far fetched and it doesn’t have minor magic steal. But I 100% agree that it does help better compare parses.

LiquidPony

MassTerror23 wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

MassTerror23 wrote: »

caperon wrote: »

MassTerror23 wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Curious - I personally am speaking from a stam perspective .

Playing a Khajiit sNecro/sBlade on the new dummy I have found the following -

Necro - Relequen/Tooth : 85-90k ish DPS.

Blade - Relequen/AY : 85k ish DPS

Necro still seems pretty strong compared to blade, but I also haven't done any test with whirling blades ( I assume that won't make it to live as is as it seems kinda powerful ).

I think sBlade for a PVE standpoint is pretty good still. I'd like to see where Warden falls now though, which will be my next and probably last test as I do not play Plar, DK or Sorc.

Anyone else have any thoughts? Many still think Nightblade is gutted and I don't think that is quite true.

To better compare the stam necro and stamblade don’t use tooth for the necro because I doubt that set will be meta

Im curious about the reasoning about tooth not being meta because unless im missing something that set will provide close to 100% major slayer uptime and should be better than basically anything else other than relequen.

What about the mag toons in group? If it’s 4 stam and 4 mag and the stam are all using tooth then two mag have to wear MA but then there’s no guarantee that the stam won’t steal the MA major slayer from the mag during the time tooth isn’t active. Another thing is I’m a console player and from what I heard is that the iron-atro parses won’t be accepted so 3 mil and 6 mil parses with tooth won’t be possible.

What people "accept" for solo DPS parses in no way reflects the meta for real raids.

And why wouldn't console players accept parses from the raid dummy? It dramatically simplifies the parsing process because everyone has a uniform set of buffs, debuffs, and uptimes to deal with. This should be especially pertinent to console players since you have no way of tracking buff/debuff uptimes in-game.

And anyway, if you're worried about people in Tooth of Lokke "stealing" Major Slayer from magicka toons, then put them in different stacks like we already do.

Some the reasons that were mentioned was that buffs like hircine and worm aren’t something given in trials (the guilds I’m in don’t run worm), major force uptime being 100% is a little far fetched and it doesn’t have minor magic steal. But I 100% agree that it does help better compare parses.

It does have Minor Magickasteal.

And as far as Hircine and Worm ... sure, I guess, but this is offset by the fact that you're only getting a single synergy to pop and you aren't getting other sustain support like Sentinel of Rkugamz or Symphony of Blades. Also, even with great DPS, it's a *long* parse. Like ~220 seconds if you're doing 95k. Even with Hircine and Worm it's still pushing your sustain because it's twice as long as a 6mil parse.

But, as a former console player myself, I understand that console players often have strange ideas about what constitutes a "valid" DPS parse.

Runefang

MassTerror23 wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

MassTerror23 wrote: »

caperon wrote: »

MassTerror23 wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Curious - I personally am speaking from a stam perspective .

Playing a Khajiit sNecro/sBlade on the new dummy I have found the following -

Necro - Relequen/Tooth : 85-90k ish DPS.

Blade - Relequen/AY : 85k ish DPS

Necro still seems pretty strong compared to blade, but I also haven't done any test with whirling blades ( I assume that won't make it to live as is as it seems kinda powerful ).

I think sBlade for a PVE standpoint is pretty good still. I'd like to see where Warden falls now though, which will be my next and probably last test as I do not play Plar, DK or Sorc.

Anyone else have any thoughts? Many still think Nightblade is gutted and I don't think that is quite true.

To better compare the stam necro and stamblade don’t use tooth for the necro because I doubt that set will be meta

Im curious about the reasoning about tooth not being meta because unless im missing something that set will provide close to 100% major slayer uptime and should be better than basically anything else other than relequen.

What about the mag toons in group? If it’s 4 stam and 4 mag and the stam are all using tooth then two mag have to wear MA but then there’s no guarantee that the stam won’t steal the MA major slayer from the mag during the time tooth isn’t active. Another thing is I’m a console player and from what I heard is that the iron-atro parses won’t be accepted so 3 mil and 6 mil parses with tooth won’t be possible.

What people "accept" for solo DPS parses in no way reflects the meta for real raids.

And why wouldn't console players accept parses from the raid dummy? It dramatically simplifies the parsing process because everyone has a uniform set of buffs, debuffs, and uptimes to deal with. This should be especially pertinent to console players since you have no way of tracking buff/debuff uptimes in-game.

And anyway, if you're worried about people in Tooth of Lokke "stealing" Major Slayer from magicka toons, then put them in different stacks like we already do.

Some the reasons that were mentioned was that buffs like hircine and worm aren’t something given in trials (the guilds I’m in don’t run worm), major force uptime being 100% is a little far fetched and it doesn’t have minor magic steal. But I 100% agree that it does help better compare parses.

Sure it's not realistic, but its all about comparative numbers. Dealing 21m damage in a fight is never going to happen either, and the resource drain you see on that dummy fight is likely to be lower in real fights where there is down time for dealing with mechanics.

I see a lot of console players parsing on 3m dummies on YT so maybe their idea of what's acceptable is lagging behind PC?

MassTerror23

Runefang wrote: »

MassTerror23 wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

MassTerror23 wrote: »

caperon wrote: »

MassTerror23 wrote: »

Azyle1 wrote: »

Curious - I personally am speaking from a stam perspective .

Playing a Khajiit sNecro/sBlade on the new dummy I have found the following -

Necro - Relequen/Tooth : 85-90k ish DPS.

Blade - Relequen/AY : 85k ish DPS

Necro still seems pretty strong compared to blade, but I also haven't done any test with whirling blades ( I assume that won't make it to live as is as it seems kinda powerful ).

I think sBlade for a PVE standpoint is pretty good still. I'd like to see where Warden falls now though, which will be my next and probably last test as I do not play Plar, DK or Sorc.

Anyone else have any thoughts? Many still think Nightblade is gutted and I don't think that is quite true.

To better compare the stam necro and stamblade don’t use tooth for the necro because I doubt that set will be meta

Im curious about the reasoning about tooth not being meta because unless im missing something that set will provide close to 100% major slayer uptime and should be better than basically anything else other than relequen.

What about the mag toons in group? If it’s 4 stam and 4 mag and the stam are all using tooth then two mag have to wear MA but then there’s no guarantee that the stam won’t steal the MA major slayer from the mag during the time tooth isn’t active. Another thing is I’m a console player and from what I heard is that the iron-atro parses won’t be accepted so 3 mil and 6 mil parses with tooth won’t be possible.

What people "accept" for solo DPS parses in no way reflects the meta for real raids.

And why wouldn't console players accept parses from the raid dummy? It dramatically simplifies the parsing process because everyone has a uniform set of buffs, debuffs, and uptimes to deal with. This should be especially pertinent to console players since you have no way of tracking buff/debuff uptimes in-game.

And anyway, if you're worried about people in Tooth of Lokke "stealing" Major Slayer from magicka toons, then put them in different stacks like we already do.

Some the reasons that were mentioned was that buffs like hircine and worm aren’t something given in trials (the guilds I’m in don’t run worm), major force uptime being 100% is a little far fetched and it doesn’t have minor magic steal. But I 100% agree that it does help better compare parses.

Sure it's not realistic, but its all about comparative numbers. Dealing 21m damage in a fight is never going to happen either, and the resource drain you see on that dummy fight is likely to be lower in real fights where there is down time for dealing with mechanics.

I see a lot of console players parsing on 3m dummies on YT so maybe their idea of what's acceptable is lagging behind PC?

I don’t know there’s a difference with parsing on pc and console because on pts my orc sDK runs out of resources at 25% health on the iron-atro but asiangod said he didn’t dip under 25% resources.

Tannus15

You have perfect support and perfect buffs on the 21m. If you're running out of resources you need more sustain.

If you're running "parse food" on the 21m you're cheesing. Use your actual trial setup.

From what I've seen 45kish will do around 70k on the iron golem. 50k 6mil parses should be in the area of 80k.
I'm finding very little variance in parses and changing setups etc will have demonstrable changes.
It's really really good.

As soon as this thing goes live all parses should be done on it. The only downside right now is cmx isn't picking up the buffs etc from the dummy.

LiquidPony

Tannus15 wrote: »

You have perfect support and perfect buffs on the 21m. If you're running out of resources you need more sustain.

If you're running "parse food" on the 21m you're cheesing. Use your actual trial setup.

From what I've seen 45kish will do around 70k on the iron golem. 50k 6mil parses should be in the area of 80k.
I'm finding very little variance in parses and changing setups etc will have demonstrable changes.
It's really really good.

As soon as this thing goes live all parses should be done on it. The only downside right now is cmx isn't picking up the buffs etc from the dummy.

Not really realistic to think that you should be parsing a 21m with your normal raid setup IMO. There aren't many fights in the game where you are parsing on a single target without pause for 3.5-4.5 minutes straight. The 21m dummy fight is simply too long for that. If it had maybe 15m health, it might be more realistic to parse with gold food but at 21m, no way.

Plus, you're missing out on all of the additional synergies and other sources of sustain like Sentinel of Rkugamz and Symphony of Blades.

I doubt there's any stam spec that can solo parse a 21m without Lavafoot on an Orc/Khajiit/Dunmer. But those same builds have no problem sustaining real fights. Hell, on an Orc stamnecro, it's hard enough to sustain the 21m with Lavafoot food. Even in Liko's 104k parse (with the bugged pets) he was on empty as the dummy was dying.

MassTerror23

LiquidPony wrote: »

Tannus15 wrote: »

You have perfect support and perfect buffs on the 21m. If you're running out of resources you need more sustain.

If you're running "parse food" on the 21m you're cheesing. Use your actual trial setup.

From what I've seen 45kish will do around 70k on the iron golem. 50k 6mil parses should be in the area of 80k.
I'm finding very little variance in parses and changing setups etc will have demonstrable changes.
It's really really good.

As soon as this thing goes live all parses should be done on it. The only downside right now is cmx isn't picking up the buffs etc from the dummy.

Not really realistic to think that you should be parsing a 21m with your normal raid setup IMO. There aren't many fights in the game where you are parsing on a single target without pause for 3.5-4.5 minutes straight. The 21m dummy fight is simply too long for that. If it had maybe 15m health, it might be more realistic to parse with gold food but at 21m, no way.

Plus, you're missing out on all of the additional synergies and other sources of sustain like Sentinel of Rkugamz and Symphony of Blades.

I doubt there's any stam spec that can solo parse a 21m without Lavafoot on an Orc/Khajiit/Dunmer. But those same builds have no problem sustaining real fights. Hell, on an Orc stamnecro, it's hard enough to sustain the 21m with Lavafoot food. Even in Liko's 104k parse (with the bugged pets) he was on empty as the dummy was dying.

Lol thanks I was reevaluating my whole build; however, I recorded and watched my parse and I notice I recasted caltrops twice and I castes noxious breathe one to many times. I parsed again and was at like 30% stam left which isn’t bad but that’s still pretty low. Yeah 21m is a lot plus that’s like 8 power pots per parse so that’ll be expensive on live lol