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I've never met a good pvp player who was bad at pve
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kyle.wilson✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've ran a trial with a pvp guild that was mostly grand overlords. It wasn't a good time. Some had pve experience, but a vast majority were not only bad, but terrible.7 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I have. But it's more a function of not caring or being unwilling to change gear than being actually bad at it.
...the same is probably true of most "PvE players who are bad at PvP."Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub3 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭True, but nobody wants to PvE with them 'cause they're so MEAN!
Stabby... stabby...
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tyggerbob✭✭✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »I have. But it's more a function of not caring or being unwilling to change gear than being actually bad at it.
...the same is probably true of most "PvE players who are bad at PvP."
Absolutely. . That's why I have two gear/skill setups. I do find, in my experience, however (I'm sure there are buttclown PVE'ers too.. I've met some) I find that the PVEers I know and run with are more likely to give you helpful advice than deride you.0 -
rotaugen454✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Don’t forget PvE players who are bad at PvE. Seriously, anyone refusing to do a tiny bit of research and practice will be bad. No need to put them in an artificial bucket."Get off my lawn!"2 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »I have. But it's more a function of not caring or being unwilling to change gear than being actually bad at it.
...the same is probably true of most "PvE players who are bad at PvP."
True. I never take my Transmutation set off for PvE lol.0 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »I have. But it's more a function of not caring or being unwilling to change gear than being actually bad at it.
...the same is probably true of most "PvE players who are bad at PvP."
True. I never take my Transmutation set off for PvE lol.
DAT CRIT RESISTThrice Empress, Forever Scrub3 -
Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have met plenty of PvP players that were either below average or actually decent in PvE. Having a high rank or fancy PvP title doesn't mean they'll be doing decent damage, tanking properly, or have the game sense to heal when needed, but as I said there are those who are good at both.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Burn/Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Heal- Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Inferno/Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Rage of the Ursauk jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Crushing Shock/Storm Pulsar, Streak, Flame/Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Fire/Storms, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build) and Fiery/Thunderous Rage.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Mother Ciannait's (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Max Mag Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), CP restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and CP ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact for regular and NoCP build/Oblivion's Foe for dot build (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable. Max Mag Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Max Mag Enchants). Knight Slayer/Pariah jewelry/Plaguebreak for dot build (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant for regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build. Sharpened for dot build)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Empowered Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that only utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (Infused/shock enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on head and everything else Magicka Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Max Health Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant/Stealth-Draining Poison IX), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1:Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver (Shatter Soul).
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Lover for penetration when playing a sorc or temp.
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Thaumaturge, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvE Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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mongoLC✭✭✭✭Man I have other day was in a trial group with a GO, he fired eye of flame start hearing laser sounds nothing dies then he goes on a rant about the heavy meta and earth gore.2
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JD2013✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Goodness I can’t wait for this portion of the event to be over so as the complaining from both sides (granted, predominantly PVE side) can stop.
Eat a snicker or something, people.Sweetrolls for all!
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Crafting bag OP! ZOS nerf pls!5 -
mocap✭✭✭✭✭
✭watch how PvPer use Dragon Leap on perfectly created by tank pack of mobs - priceless
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Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭kyle.wilson wrote: »I've ran a trial with a pvp guild that was mostly grand overlords. It wasn't a good time. Some had pve experience, but a vast majority were not only bad, but terrible.
Did normal mol with such a group. It was different. I have been around lunar cycle almost three before ..and lived.
Still I don't hold it against them, but it seriously become quite petty with number of PvP players not seeing there is skill needed in both practices.Edited by Tasear on April 23, 2019 6:32PM0 -
CatchMeTrolling✭✭✭✭✭
✭If they are decent at pvp they’ll be decent at pve, now if they mainly play pvp that doesn’t meant they’re good at it. Still a lot of top trial players on my platform have been filled with pvp players over the years.0 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »Any player worth their salt is good at both.
Any salty player pretends to be good at both.
Fixed it for 'ya ...
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Grandma✭✭✭✭✭I definitely have. I also have met more than enough pvers who suck at pvp. It's typically one or the other. not many people are good at both.GH / 3/04/2021 / Elemental Catalyst Necromancer0 -
rotaugen454✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I definitely have. I also have met more than enough pvers who suck at pvp. It's typically one or the other. not many people are good at both.
Really? All you have to do is switch gear, some skills and know how to PvP compared to dungeon mechanics. It’s not brain surgery."Get off my lawn!"0 -
vamp_emily✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭kyle.wilson wrote: »I've ran a trial with a pvp guild that was mostly grand overlords. It wasn't a good time. Some had pve experience, but a vast majority were not only bad, but terrible.
You must have been unlucky and caught PvP players during their "oh lets get drunk and pretend we are pve'rs" night.
If you want a friend, get a dog.
AW Rank: Grand Warlord 1 ( level 49)0 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭PvPers are just mad that we PvEers aren't interested in playing some generic stabby...stabby... game that doesn't amount to anything but sadism.3 -
kratier✭✭✭✭the cute thing is when the devs sit on the dev stream and pretend like pvp and pve is interchangeable, and perfectly viable to only need 1 set of skills and gear, and thats why we dont have multiple builds allowed
if it was the case, thered be no issue, as the game would be balanced, and not have gimmicky pvp only skills, specs, and gear, that make pvp effortless against pve'rs0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭And all the really elite PVE players I know can certainly handle themselves in Cyro. Good players are good, period.
Also, most of the really good players I know stay out of this stupid PVE/PVP debate. They might be kick'n z'maja's butt on Monday, and slay'n AD on Tuesday. In fact, I would go as far as saying that if you dont play both, there are probably some serious holes in your game.1
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