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Does Necro have a burst self heal, burst group heal?

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Also do they have access to minor fracture and breach?
Edited by Lab3360 on April 20, 2019 9:56AM
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    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    Edit: And they have access to major fracture/breach through Unnerving Boneyard (AOE)
    Edited by Alucardo on April 20, 2019 10:13AM
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:
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    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    We can't have anything being on par with a class you need to pay for
  • AbysmalGhul
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    :o
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    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    and why also coagulant blood is getting a 19% healing increase...was too weak compared to this.
  • Lab3360
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    Edit: And they have access to major fracture/breach through Unnerving Boneyard (AOE)

    This is such B.S. So they didnt want nightblade on par with the new class.

    Everything people were complaining about on Nightblades, Necro now has.
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    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    and why also coagulant blood is getting a 19% healing increase...was too weak compared to this.

    Ridiculous. And I here non of the pvpers complaining about this.

    Im really starting to question
    Edited by Lab3360 on April 20, 2019 3:18PM
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    Edit: And they have access to major fracture/breach through Unnerving Boneyard (AOE)

    Jheeze, it says it gives resistances equal to half the amount healed too as a morph. Puts minor defile on you to, if that was active on you and you can pull high numbers it sounds insane.
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    Edit: And they have access to major fracture/breach through Unnerving Boneyard (AOE)

    Jheeze, it says it gives resistances equal to half the amount healed too as a morph. Puts minor defile on you to, if that was active on you and you can pull high numbers it sounds insane.

    I want to clarify soemthing really quick. This places minor defile on you BUT there is another skill that will instantly remove minor defile and just having it on your bar reduces all ability costs by 10%.
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    Healthy offering from NBs can easily exceed 28k on an ally, more than that when healing a tank.

    Render flesh is necros burst heal yes, but its not a garunteed self heal and it applies minor defile to yourself, meaning you have to play around expunge, which costs health, or you let the defile rock resulting in lower self healing and an increase to selfess healing thanks to their passive.

    This ability is in a completely separate catagory to tank self healing tools. This is a healers burst heal, and belongs in the same tier as BOL, obsidian shard, matriarch and healthy offering.

    Dark cloak, dragon blood, arctic wind etc are entirely separate.
    Lab3360 wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    Edit: And they have access to major fracture/breach through Unnerving Boneyard (AOE)

    This is such B.S. So they didnt want nightblade on par with the new class.

    Everything people were complaining about on Nightblades, Necro now has.
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    and why also coagulant blood is getting a 19% healing increase...was too weak compared to this.
    Alucardo wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    We can't have anything being on par with a class you need to pay for
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    /facepalm
    Edited by exeeter702 on April 20, 2019 3:50PM
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    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Healthy offering from NBs can easily exceed 28k on an ally, more than that when healing a tank.

    Render flesh is necros burst heal yes, but its not a garunteed self heal and it applies minor defile to yourself, meaning you have to play around expunge, which costs health, or you let the defile rock resulting in lower self healing and an increase to selfess healing thanks to their passive.

    This ability is in a completely separate catagory to tank self healing tools. This is a healers burst heal, and belongs in the same tier as BOL, obsidian shard, matriarch and healthy offering.

    Dark cloak, dragon blood, arctic wind etc are entirely separate.
    Lab3360 wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    Edit: And they have access to major fracture/breach through Unnerving Boneyard (AOE)

    This is such B.S. So they didnt want nightblade on par with the new class.

    Everything people were complaining about on Nightblades, Necro now has.
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    and why also coagulant blood is getting a 19% healing increase...was too weak compared to this.
    Alucardo wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    We can't have anything being on par with a class you need to pay for
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    /facepalm

    But i can't heal myself with healthy offering.

    /facepalm
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    Edit: And they have access to major fracture/breach through Unnerving Boneyard (AOE)

    Jheeze, it says it gives resistances equal to half the amount healed too as a morph. Puts minor defile on you to, if that was active on you and you can pull high numbers it sounds insane.

    It gives minor defile, but you can just purge it away - Necro has that ability too lol
    Edited by Alucardo on April 20, 2019 3:59PM
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    Vietfox wrote: »
    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Healthy offering from NBs can easily exceed 28k on an ally, more than that when healing a tank.

    Render flesh is necros burst heal yes, but its not a garunteed self heal and it applies minor defile to yourself, meaning you have to play around expunge, which costs health, or you let the defile rock resulting in lower self healing and an increase to selfess healing thanks to their passive.

    This ability is in a completely separate catagory to tank self healing tools. This is a healers burst heal, and belongs in the same tier as BOL, obsidian shard, matriarch and healthy offering.

    Dark cloak, dragon blood, arctic wind etc are entirely separate.
    Lab3360 wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    Edit: And they have access to major fracture/breach through Unnerving Boneyard (AOE)

    This is such B.S. So they didnt want nightblade on par with the new class.

    Everything people were complaining about on Nightblades, Necro now has.
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    and why also coagulant blood is getting a 19% healing increase...was too weak compared to this.
    Alucardo wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    We can't have anything being on par with a class you need to pay for
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    /facepalm

    But i can't heal myself with healthy offering.

    /facepalm

    Pay attention please. Render flesh is not a garunteed self heal as i specified. Second, render flesh scales exclusively off of magicka, spell damage and healing done, you arent going to be tanking pressure very well if your tool tip for render is hitting that number in pvp or a difficult end game pve environment since in order to hit that figure you have to be heavily invested into a healer build. Nice try though
  • Lab3360
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    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Healthy offering from NBs can easily exceed 28k on an ally, more than that when healing a tank.

    Render flesh is necros burst heal yes, but its not a garunteed self heal and it applies minor defile to yourself, meaning you have to play around expunge, which costs health, or you let the defile rock resulting in lower self healing and an increase to selfess healing thanks to their passive.

    This ability is in a completely separate catagory to tank self healing tools. This is a healers burst heal, and belongs in the same tier as BOL, obsidian shard, matriarch and healthy offering.

    Dark cloak, dragon blood, arctic wind etc are entirely separate.
    Lab3360 wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    Edit: And they have access to major fracture/breach through Unnerving Boneyard (AOE)

    This is such B.S. So they didnt want nightblade on par with the new class.

    Everything people were complaining about on Nightblades, Necro now has.
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    and why also coagulant blood is getting a 19% healing increase...was too weak compared to this.
    Alucardo wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    We can't have anything being on par with a class you need to pay for
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    /facepalm

    Minor defile is hardly a factor with the stack that class gets with the size of those heals and resistences.

    Pretty bias

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    Alucardo wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    We can't have anything being on par with a class you need to pay for

    Cuz Necro won't see any change prior the release sure. And we all know that warden are the most OP class to ever existed.
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    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Healthy offering from NBs can easily exceed 28k on an ally, more than that when healing a tank.

    Render flesh is necros burst heal yes, but its not a garunteed self heal and it applies minor defile to yourself, meaning you have to play around expunge, which costs health, or you let the defile rock resulting in lower self healing and an increase to selfess healing thanks to their passive.

    This ability is in a completely separate catagory to tank self healing tools. This is a healers burst heal, and belongs in the same tier as BOL, obsidian shard, matriarch and healthy offering.

    Dark cloak, dragon blood, arctic wind etc are entirely separate.
    Lab3360 wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    Edit: And they have access to major fracture/breach through Unnerving Boneyard (AOE)

    This is such B.S. So they didnt want nightblade on par with the new class.

    Everything people were complaining about on Nightblades, Necro now has.
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    and why also coagulant blood is getting a 19% healing increase...was too weak compared to this.
    Alucardo wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    We can't have anything being on par with a class you need to pay for
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    /facepalm

    But i can't heal myself with healthy offering.

    /facepalm

    Pay attention please. Render flesh is not a garunteed self heal as i specified. Second, render flesh scales exclusively off of magicka, spell damage and healing done, you arent going to be tanking pressure very well if your tool tip for render is hitting that number in pvp or a difficult end game pve environment since in order to hit that figure you have to be heavily invested into a healer build. Nice try though

    Dosent matter. Pvpers will complain about Necro after the newness wears off and ask for nerfs. Then it will be nerfed.

    Then you just paid for another watered fown class.
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    Lab3360 wrote: »
    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Healthy offering from NBs can easily exceed 28k on an ally, more than that when healing a tank.

    Render flesh is necros burst heal yes, but its not a garunteed self heal and it applies minor defile to yourself, meaning you have to play around expunge, which costs health, or you let the defile rock resulting in lower self healing and an increase to selfess healing thanks to their passive.

    This ability is in a completely separate catagory to tank self healing tools. This is a healers burst heal, and belongs in the same tier as BOL, obsidian shard, matriarch and healthy offering.

    Dark cloak, dragon blood, arctic wind etc are entirely separate.
    Lab3360 wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    Edit: And they have access to major fracture/breach through Unnerving Boneyard (AOE)

    This is such B.S. So they didnt want nightblade on par with the new class.

    Everything people were complaining about on Nightblades, Necro now has.
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    and why also coagulant blood is getting a 19% healing increase...was too weak compared to this.
    Alucardo wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    We can't have anything being on par with a class you need to pay for
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    /facepalm

    Minor defile is hardly a factor with the stack that class gets with the size of those heals and resistences.

    Pretty bias

    All things considered, its still reduced self healing. And again, healing for the value shown in the combat log would require a dedicated investment into healing. You are not going to be running around tanking mutliple people while chugging 20k self heals in pvp.
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    We can't have anything being on par with a class you need to pay for

    Cuz Necro won't see any change prior the release sure. And we all know that warden are the most OP class to ever existed.

    They may see a few tweaks while on PTS, but my guess is they will hit live while still OP and not get toned down for quite some time. It's just the way Zeni handles things.
    I swear, my stam sorc looks like poop in comparison.
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    That's the healer's burst heal. Scythe is the tank burst heal meant to compete with dark cloak.
    Edited by stimpy986b14_ESO on April 20, 2019 4:09PM
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    That's the healer's burst heal. Scythe is the tank burst heal meant to compete with dark cloak.

    This
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    Edit: And they have access to major fracture/breach through Unnerving Boneyard (AOE)

    Jheeze, it says it gives resistances equal to half the amount healed too as a morph. Puts minor defile on you to, if that was active on you and you can pull high numbers it sounds insane.

    It gives minor defile, but you can just purge it away - Necro has that ability too lol

    The purge costs health and keeping defile on yourself increases the necros outgoing healing done.
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    Yeah... nerf a popular class (like NB for example) and at the same time introduce new OP/broken class... hmm... :o:s
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    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Healthy offering from NBs can easily exceed 28k on an ally, more than that when healing a tank.

    Render flesh is necros burst heal yes, but its not a garunteed self heal and it applies minor defile to yourself, meaning you have to play around expunge, which costs health, or you let the defile rock resulting in lower self healing and an increase to selfess healing thanks to their passive.

    This ability is in a completely separate catagory to tank self healing tools. This is a healers burst heal, and belongs in the same tier as BOL, obsidian shard, matriarch and healthy offering.

    Dark cloak, dragon blood, arctic wind etc are entirely separate.
    Lab3360 wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    Edit: And they have access to major fracture/breach through Unnerving Boneyard (AOE)

    This is such B.S. So they didnt want nightblade on par with the new class.

    Everything people were complaining about on Nightblades, Necro now has.
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    and why also coagulant blood is getting a 19% healing increase...was too weak compared to this.
    Alucardo wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    We can't have anything being on par with a class you need to pay for
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    /facepalm

    But i can't heal myself with healthy offering.

    /facepalm

    Pay attention please. Render flesh is not a garunteed self heal as i specified. Second, render flesh scales exclusively off of magicka, spell damage and healing done, you arent going to be tanking pressure very well if your tool tip for render is hitting that number in pvp or a difficult end game pve environment since in order to hit that figure you have to be heavily invested into a healer build. Nice try though
    I can confirm that the 20k heal was not on a healer build in the slightest. It was wearing one damage set, and one sustain - nothing special. You don't even want to see the blastbones damage.
  • Lab3360
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Healthy offering from NBs can easily exceed 28k on an ally, more than that when healing a tank.

    Render flesh is necros burst heal yes, but its not a garunteed self heal and it applies minor defile to yourself, meaning you have to play around expunge, which costs health, or you let the defile rock resulting in lower self healing and an increase to selfess healing thanks to their passive.

    This ability is in a completely separate catagory to tank self healing tools. This is a healers burst heal, and belongs in the same tier as BOL, obsidian shard, matriarch and healthy offering.

    Dark cloak, dragon blood, arctic wind etc are entirely separate.
    Lab3360 wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    Edit: And they have access to major fracture/breach through Unnerving Boneyard (AOE)

    This is such B.S. So they didnt want nightblade on par with the new class.

    Everything people were complaining about on Nightblades, Necro now has.
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    and why also coagulant blood is getting a 19% healing increase...was too weak compared to this.
    Alucardo wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    We can't have anything being on par with a class you need to pay for
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    /facepalm

    But i can't heal myself with healthy offering.

    /facepalm

    Pay attention please. Render flesh is not a garunteed self heal as i specified. Second, render flesh scales exclusively off of magicka, spell damage and healing done, you arent going to be tanking pressure very well if your tool tip for render is hitting that number in pvp or a difficult end game pve environment since in order to hit that figure you have to be heavily invested into a healer build. Nice try though
    I can confirm that the 20k heal was not on a healer build in the slightest. It was wearing one damage set, and one sustain - nothing special. You don't even want to see the blastbones damage.

    Ridiculous. And these same people are complaining about Dark Cloak. I call B.S.

    This is exactly what Im talking about.

    Where is the"Outrage Machine" now?
  • exeeter702
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    Alucardo wrote: »
    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Healthy offering from NBs can easily exceed 28k on an ally, more than that when healing a tank.

    Render flesh is necros burst heal yes, but its not a garunteed self heal and it applies minor defile to yourself, meaning you have to play around expunge, which costs health, or you let the defile rock resulting in lower self healing and an increase to selfess healing thanks to their passive.

    This ability is in a completely separate catagory to tank self healing tools. This is a healers burst heal, and belongs in the same tier as BOL, obsidian shard, matriarch and healthy offering.

    Dark cloak, dragon blood, arctic wind etc are entirely separate.
    Lab3360 wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    Edit: And they have access to major fracture/breach through Unnerving Boneyard (AOE)

    This is such B.S. So they didnt want nightblade on par with the new class.

    Everything people were complaining about on Nightblades, Necro now has.
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    and why also coagulant blood is getting a 19% healing increase...was too weak compared to this.
    Alucardo wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    We can't have anything being on par with a class you need to pay for
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    /facepalm

    But i can't heal myself with healthy offering.

    /facepalm

    Pay attention please. Render flesh is not a garunteed self heal as i specified. Second, render flesh scales exclusively off of magicka, spell damage and healing done, you arent going to be tanking pressure very well if your tool tip for render is hitting that number in pvp or a difficult end game pve environment since in order to hit that figure you have to be heavily invested into a healer build. Nice try though
    I can confirm that the 20k heal was not on a healer build in the slightest. It was wearing one damage set, and one sustain - nothing special. You don't even want to see the blastbones damage.

    I should have been more specific. You arent going to be healing for that much on a tank build. And you arent going to tank players very well on a magicka damage setup. Much like BoL and healthy offering, the values are pretty solid on a standard 35k+magicka pool build. The point is this is not analogous to dark cloak or any other tank self heal tool. Render flesh is first and foremost a healers tool.
    Edited by exeeter702 on April 20, 2019 4:30PM
  • Alucardo
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    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Healthy offering from NBs can easily exceed 28k on an ally, more than that when healing a tank.

    Render flesh is necros burst heal yes, but its not a garunteed self heal and it applies minor defile to yourself, meaning you have to play around expunge, which costs health, or you let the defile rock resulting in lower self healing and an increase to selfess healing thanks to their passive.

    This ability is in a completely separate catagory to tank self healing tools. This is a healers burst heal, and belongs in the same tier as BOL, obsidian shard, matriarch and healthy offering.

    Dark cloak, dragon blood, arctic wind etc are entirely separate.
    Lab3360 wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    Edit: And they have access to major fracture/breach through Unnerving Boneyard (AOE)

    This is such B.S. So they didnt want nightblade on par with the new class.

    Everything people were complaining about on Nightblades, Necro now has.
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    and why also coagulant blood is getting a 19% healing increase...was too weak compared to this.
    Alucardo wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    We can't have anything being on par with a class you need to pay for
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    /facepalm

    But i can't heal myself with healthy offering.

    /facepalm

    Pay attention please. Render flesh is not a garunteed self heal as i specified. Second, render flesh scales exclusively off of magicka, spell damage and healing done, you arent going to be tanking pressure very well if your tool tip for render is hitting that number in pvp or a difficult end game pve environment since in order to hit that figure you have to be heavily invested into a healer build. Nice try though
    I can confirm that the 20k heal was not on a healer build in the slightest. It was wearing one damage set, and one sustain - nothing special. You don't even want to see the blastbones damage.

    I should have been more specific. You arent going to be healing for that much on a tank build. And you arent going to tank players very well on a magicka damage setup. Much like BoL and healthy offering, the values are pretty solid on a standard 35k+magicka pool build. The point is this is not analogous to dark cloak or any other tank self heal tool.

    Ahh, I see. Yes, on a tank build there's no way you'll be hitting those numbers.
  • Lab3360
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    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Lab3360 wrote: »
    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Healthy offering from NBs can easily exceed 28k on an ally, more than that when healing a tank.

    Render flesh is necros burst heal yes, but its not a garunteed self heal and it applies minor defile to yourself, meaning you have to play around expunge, which costs health, or you let the defile rock resulting in lower self healing and an increase to selfess healing thanks to their passive.

    This ability is in a completely separate catagory to tank self healing tools. This is a healers burst heal, and belongs in the same tier as BOL, obsidian shard, matriarch and healthy offering.

    Dark cloak, dragon blood, arctic wind etc are entirely separate.
    Lab3360 wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    Edit: And they have access to major fracture/breach through Unnerving Boneyard (AOE)

    This is such B.S. So they didnt want nightblade on par with the new class.

    Everything people were complaining about on Nightblades, Necro now has.
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    and why also coagulant blood is getting a 19% healing increase...was too weak compared to this.
    Alucardo wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    We can't have anything being on par with a class you need to pay for
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    /facepalm

    Minor defile is hardly a factor with the stack that class gets with the size of those heals and resistences.

    Pretty bias

    All things considered, its still reduced self healing. And again, healing for the value shown in the combat log would require a dedicated investment into healing. You are not going to be running around tanking mutliple people while chugging 20k self heals in pvp.

    Dude

    Its a 20k heal reduced instant in pvp? Are you kidding me. And you complained.
    And youre complaining about Dark Cloak burst heal over time?

    Thats not hypocritical at all.



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    Alucardo wrote: »
    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Healthy offering from NBs can easily exceed 28k on an ally, more than that when healing a tank.

    Render flesh is necros burst heal yes, but its not a garunteed self heal and it applies minor defile to yourself, meaning you have to play around expunge, which costs health, or you let the defile rock resulting in lower self healing and an increase to selfess healing thanks to their passive.

    This ability is in a completely separate catagory to tank self healing tools. This is a healers burst heal, and belongs in the same tier as BOL, obsidian shard, matriarch and healthy offering.

    Dark cloak, dragon blood, arctic wind etc are entirely separate.
    Lab3360 wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    Edit: And they have access to major fracture/breach through Unnerving Boneyard (AOE)

    This is such B.S. So they didnt want nightblade on par with the new class.

    Everything people were complaining about on Nightblades, Necro now has.
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    and why also coagulant blood is getting a 19% healing increase...was too weak compared to this.
    Alucardo wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    We can't have anything being on par with a class you need to pay for
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    /facepalm

    But i can't heal myself with healthy offering.

    /facepalm

    Pay attention please. Render flesh is not a garunteed self heal as i specified. Second, render flesh scales exclusively off of magicka, spell damage and healing done, you arent going to be tanking pressure very well if your tool tip for render is hitting that number in pvp or a difficult end game pve environment since in order to hit that figure you have to be heavily invested into a healer build. Nice try though
    I can confirm that the 20k heal was not on a healer build in the slightest. It was wearing one damage set, and one sustain - nothing special. You don't even want to see the blastbones damage.

    I should have been more specific. You arent going to be healing for that much on a tank build. And you arent going to tank players very well on a magicka damage setup. Much like BoL and healthy offering, the values are pretty solid on a standard 35k+magicka pool build. The point is this is not analogous to dark cloak or any other tank self heal tool.

    Ahh, I see. Yes, on a tank build there's no way you'll be hitting those numbers.

    Really? So there are no magika or spell damage sets in heavy armor?

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    Alucardo wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    Edit: And they have access to major fracture/breach through Unnerving Boneyard (AOE)

    Jheeze, it says it gives resistances equal to half the amount healed too as a morph. Puts minor defile on you to, if that was active on you and you can pull high numbers it sounds insane.

    It gives minor defile, but you can just purge it away - Necro has that ability too lol

    Figured it wouldve sticked like the pirate skele set, guess not.
  • exeeter702
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    Lab3360 wrote: »
    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Lab3360 wrote: »
    exeeter702 wrote: »
    Healthy offering from NBs can easily exceed 28k on an ally, more than that when healing a tank.

    Render flesh is necros burst heal yes, but its not a garunteed self heal and it applies minor defile to yourself, meaning you have to play around expunge, which costs health, or you let the defile rock resulting in lower self healing and an increase to selfess healing thanks to their passive.

    This ability is in a completely separate catagory to tank self healing tools. This is a healers burst heal, and belongs in the same tier as BOL, obsidian shard, matriarch and healthy offering.

    Dark cloak, dragon blood, arctic wind etc are entirely separate.
    Lab3360 wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    Edit: And they have access to major fracture/breach through Unnerving Boneyard (AOE)

    This is such B.S. So they didnt want nightblade on par with the new class.

    Everything people were complaining about on Nightblades, Necro now has.
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    and why also coagulant blood is getting a 19% healing increase...was too weak compared to this.
    Alucardo wrote: »
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    We can't have anything being on par with a class you need to pay for
    Vietfox wrote: »
    Alucardo wrote: »
    HuOpzqp.jpg

    Taken during a duel (battle spirit enabled). This ability also grants you resistances equal to half of the heal value.
    Yeah, Necro is going to be interesting.

    I understand now why dark cloak got nerfed, was too op compared to this :neutral:

    /facepalm

    Minor defile is hardly a factor with the stack that class gets with the size of those heals and resistences.

    Pretty bias

    All things considered, its still reduced self healing. And again, healing for the value shown in the combat log would require a dedicated investment into healing. You are not going to be running around tanking mutliple people while chugging 20k self heals in pvp.

    Dude

    Its a 20k heal reduced instant in pvp? Are you kidding me. And you complained.
    And youre complaining about Dark Cloak burst heal over time?

    Thats not hypocritical at all.



    First of all dont lump me together with those complaining about the dark cloak nerf. That is an entirely separate discussion. I am completely indifferent to the dark cloak changes.

    The questioned asked was what burst heal do necros have. Others in here decided it would be cute to use the dark cloak nerf as some kind of sticking point to the potency of render flesh when in truth they are not in any way analogous to one another at all. Read before you start throwing around words like hypocritical.

    Second, the reduced healing is from minor defile, the mechanism at play is that commiting to the burst heal will result in your outgoing healing done increased while incoming healing is nerfed. If you want to avoid said defile you can expunge yourself and the price of health. Its not a guaranteed self heal, so in ANY environment where other players are present and high damage is going out such as in pvp and end end game pve, you are not guarunteed the heal and will still be putting defile on yourself.
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