Pve Discussion - Every Class has 2 burst heals. Nightblade 0 - Game Imbalance

msalvia

Again, not saying I want them to nerf vigor, but it has a way larger target on its back than cloak does.[/quote]

Really? This is the only reliable stam heal, so I would guess they would keep vigor good for that balance reason alone.

redspecter23

msalvia wrote: »

Again, not saying I want them to nerf vigor, but it has a way larger target on its back than cloak does.

Really? This is the only reliable stam heal, so I would guess they would keep vigor good for that balance reason alone.

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It's because it is the only reliable stam heal that it has such a huge target. Every stam class has a reliable heal because of it. Similarly, every mag class has a reliable shield due to the light armor passive. It feels a bit odd that generally healing is the realm of magicka skills but arguably one of the best heals in the game is a stamina ability.

Would the metagame collapse if vigor got nerfed overnight? Maybe. It would probably do more harm than good, but as far as class identity is concerned, it's very out of place for stam classes to have an aoe hot accessible regardless of your equipped weapon or class choice. That's the target vigor has right now.

Lab3360

redspecter23 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Just because other classes can do something, that doesn't mean that every class has to be able to do that thing. If ZOS has decided that nightblade is the only class without a solid burst heal, that is the direction they have chosen to go, regardless of how confusing that appears to be.

It would have been nice if they let us know that is supposed to be an inherent nightblade weakness ahead of time though. A general outline of what all classes should be doing would be nice.

Mobility
Defense
Healing
Burst Damage
Dot Damage
Etc.

If we as players know how the classes are supposed to work according to ZOS, then these sort of changes are less of a surprise to us and would be viewed more as helping to define the class.

The games mantra is "Play any Class Any Role"

To do such, each class needs basic tools to do such. Regarding tanking, every class has had a basic burst self heal. Not asking for the class to do the exacct same thing as other classee. But if this games Mantra is to hold true, then yes, Nightblade require aaccess to burst heal to perform tank role just as every class has a spammable single target damage skill.

Some things are just "Basic and Bedrock" foundational pieces for the game to work as intended.

"Play any Class, Any Role".

I'm not saying I don't agree with you. I'm saying ZOS doesn't agree with you. I'm not happy at all with the change. I liked the heal the way it was and I wasn't under the impression that it was overperforming. If they want to look at overperforming heals, they don't have to look any further than vigor. Again, not saying I want them to nerf vigor, but it has a way larger target on its back than cloak does.

All these nerfs make the game really unstable.

There is nothing wrong with vigor.

I think listening to pvper over pvers is a big mistake considering the majority community is pve who pay for content

Alucardo

Lab3360 wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Cant you just use Vigor like everyone else?

Vigor is not a burst heal. It is a hot and scales more from weapon damage. Tanks dont need weapon damage. Weapon damage is for dps which is why alot of stam dps use Vigor. Also vigor would not be a reolacement for burst heal needed for pve tanks

You claim burst heals for tanks, yet provide examples such as BoL, enchanted growth and other skills that scale from max stam/mag and damage. They are useless on tanks. I'd be much more sympathetic to your plea if you didn't make multiple threads about the same topic and talk nonsense.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/468800/nightblade-4-5-heal
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/468905/hey-devs-just-go-ahead-and-delete-nightblade-class
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/469258/why-take-away-the-only-burst-heal-from-nightblade-tanks

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TheValar85

so? who cares? Nb's shouldnt be that op anyway

Lab3360

msalvia wrote: »

Wanting every class to have the same tools is NOT balance. The fact that each class has native strengths and weaknesses is part of what makes this game work. And since NB is a powerhouse dps class, I don't think we can complain about it lacking the tools of a dedicated healer class like templar or tank class like DK.

Balance is having each class possess a unique set of tools geared to certain roles and situations. NB still has that and is getting heals that you're not acknowledging next patch. So balance is fine.

Again, that is not a burst heal. It will not sufficed. If you dont believe me, here is a test for you.

Roll yourself a Nightblade tank. You can wear any gear set you like.

Go to Old Kalgons Keep and solo the 3 bossee in there until they are dead.
No healer. You can use any skills any gear you desire. If you can survive with just you Hots, please let me know.

That will be an easy starter test.

Then go downstsir boss in VCR no hesler. Let me known if you survive after being hit every 2 seconds with heavy attacks and beam if you could bring youre heath up with Hots, no healer.

Then let me know if you can do the same in vHof last boss

Lab3360

Alucardo wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

Cant you just use Vigor like everyone else?

Vigor is not a burst heal. It is a hot and scales more from weapon damage. Tanks dont need weapon damage. Weapon damage is for dps which is why alot of stam dps use Vigor. Also vigor would not be a reolacement for burst heal needed for pve tanks

You claim burst heals for tanks, yet provide examples such as BoL, enchanted growth and other skills that scale from max stam/mag and damage. They are useless on tanks. I'd be much more sympathetic to your plea if you didn't make multiple threads about the same topic and talk nonsense.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/468800/nightblade-4-5-heal
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/468905/hey-devs-just-go-ahead-and-delete-nightblade-class
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/469258/why-take-away-the-only-burst-heal-from-nightblade-tanks

Please, and I mean this in the most respectful way possible, stfu

PS. I have tank that use the above mention skills.

My templar tank requires no healer for vet dungeons and dlc dungeons.

I dont know that you are a credible source considering you didnt know templar tanks can use bol to self heal.
Its basic templar 101.

Cp also enhances those heals, so doest WPD.

The last one you may want to take youre own advice

redspecter23

Lab3360 wrote: »

msalvia wrote: »

Wanting every class to have the same tools is NOT balance. The fact that each class has native strengths and weaknesses is part of what makes this game work. And since NB is a powerhouse dps class, I don't think we can complain about it lacking the tools of a dedicated healer class like templar or tank class like DK.

Balance is having each class possess a unique set of tools geared to certain roles and situations. NB still has that and is getting heals that you're not acknowledging next patch. So balance is fine.

Again, that is not a burst heal. It will not sufficed. If you dont believe me, here is a test for you.

Roll yourself a Nightblade tank. You can wear any gear set you like.

Go to Old Kalgons Keep and solo the 3 bossee in there until they are dead.
No healer. You can use any skills any gear you desire. If you can survive with just you Hots, please let me know.

That will be an easy starter test.

Then go downstsir boss in VCR no hesler. Let me known if you survive after being hit every 2 seconds with heavy attacks and beam if you could bring youre heath up with Hots, no healer.

Then let me know if you can do the same in vHof last boss

You can wear Bahraha's Curse and solo that boss without any other outside healing on a NB tank. Any actual hots you add only make it easier. I see your point, but you may have wanted to choose a better example. A vet DLC dungeon maybe. Vet cloudrest will be hard without a burst heal however. NB tank isn't the best option down there, but it can be done. Bahraha's + Leeching + Bogdan + path + siphon is an incredible amount of self healing against a stationary target.

Lab3360

redspecter23 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

msalvia wrote: »

Wanting every class to have the same tools is NOT balance. The fact that each class has native strengths and weaknesses is part of what makes this game work. And since NB is a powerhouse dps class, I don't think we can complain about it lacking the tools of a dedicated healer class like templar or tank class like DK.

Balance is having each class possess a unique set of tools geared to certain roles and situations. NB still has that and is getting heals that you're not acknowledging next patch. So balance is fine.

Again, that is not a burst heal. It will not sufficed. If you dont believe me, here is a test for you.

Roll yourself a Nightblade tank. You can wear any gear set you like.

Go to Old Kalgons Keep and solo the 3 bossee in there until they are dead.
No healer. You can use any skills any gear you desire. If you can survive with just you Hots, please let me know.

That will be an easy starter test.

Then go downstsir boss in VCR no hesler. Let me known if you survive after being hit every 2 seconds with heavy attacks and beam if you could bring youre heath up with Hots, no healer.

Then let me know if you can do the same in vHof last boss

You can wear Bahraha's Curse and solo that boss without any other outside healing on a NB tank. Any actual hots you add only make it easier. I see your point, but you may have wanted to choose a better example. A vet DLC dungeon maybe.

That will not work against single target bosse who have no adds not to mention its an unreliable proc set

I have a Nightblade tank that walks thru that Vtrial untouched upstsirs and downstair no healer.

vhof, vCR, vLOK, etc

redspecter23

Lab3360 wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

msalvia wrote: »

Wanting every class to have the same tools is NOT balance. The fact that each class has native strengths and weaknesses is part of what makes this game work. And since NB is a powerhouse dps class, I don't think we can complain about it lacking the tools of a dedicated healer class like templar or tank class like DK.

Balance is having each class possess a unique set of tools geared to certain roles and situations. NB still has that and is getting heals that you're not acknowledging next patch. So balance is fine.

Again, that is not a burst heal. It will not sufficed. If you dont believe me, here is a test for you.

Roll yourself a Nightblade tank. You can wear any gear set you like.

Go to Old Kalgons Keep and solo the 3 bossee in there until they are dead.
No healer. You can use any skills any gear you desire. If you can survive with just you Hots, please let me know.

That will be an easy starter test.

Then go downstsir boss in VCR no hesler. Let me known if you survive after being hit every 2 seconds with heavy attacks and beam if you could bring youre heath up with Hots, no healer.

Then let me know if you can do the same in vHof last boss

You can wear Bahraha's Curse and solo that boss without any other outside healing on a NB tank. Any actual hots you add only make it easier. I see your point, but you may have wanted to choose a better example. A vet DLC dungeon maybe.

That will not work against single target bosse who have no adds not to mention its an unreliable proc set

vhof, vCR, vLOK, etc

If you're suggesting that you can't tank a world boss with that setup we will have to disagree completely.

Lab3360

redspecter23 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

msalvia wrote: »

Wanting every class to have the same tools is NOT balance. The fact that each class has native strengths and weaknesses is part of what makes this game work. And since NB is a powerhouse dps class, I don't think we can complain about it lacking the tools of a dedicated healer class like templar or tank class like DK.

Balance is having each class possess a unique set of tools geared to certain roles and situations. NB still has that and is getting heals that you're not acknowledging next patch. So balance is fine.

Again, that is not a burst heal. It will not sufficed. If you dont believe me, here is a test for you.

Roll yourself a Nightblade tank. You can wear any gear set you like.

Go to Old Kalgons Keep and solo the 3 bossee in there until they are dead.
No healer. You can use any skills any gear you desire. If you can survive with just you Hots, please let me know.

That will be an easy starter test.

Then go downstsir boss in VCR no hesler. Let me known if you survive after being hit every 2 seconds with heavy attacks and beam if you could bring youre heath up with Hots, no healer.

Then let me know if you can do the same in vHof last boss

You can wear Bahraha's Curse and solo that boss without any other outside healing on a NB tank. Any actual hots you add only make it easier. I see your point, but you may have wanted to choose a better example. A vet DLC dungeon maybe.

That will not work against single target bosse who have no adds not to mention its an unreliable proc set

vhof, vCR, vLOK, etc

If you're suggesting that you can't tank a world boss with that setup we will have to disagree completely.

World boss is just a start. You cannot tank the above mention trials with that setup no healer.

redspecter23

Lab3360 wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

msalvia wrote: »

Wanting every class to have the same tools is NOT balance. The fact that each class has native strengths and weaknesses is part of what makes this game work. And since NB is a powerhouse dps class, I don't think we can complain about it lacking the tools of a dedicated healer class like templar or tank class like DK.

Balance is having each class possess a unique set of tools geared to certain roles and situations. NB still has that and is getting heals that you're not acknowledging next patch. So balance is fine.

Again, that is not a burst heal. It will not sufficed. If you dont believe me, here is a test for you.

Roll yourself a Nightblade tank. You can wear any gear set you like.

Go to Old Kalgons Keep and solo the 3 bossee in there until they are dead.
No healer. You can use any skills any gear you desire. If you can survive with just you Hots, please let me know.

That will be an easy starter test.

Then go downstsir boss in VCR no hesler. Let me known if you survive after being hit every 2 seconds with heavy attacks and beam if you could bring youre heath up with Hots, no healer.

Then let me know if you can do the same in vHof last boss

You can wear Bahraha's Curse and solo that boss without any other outside healing on a NB tank. Any actual hots you add only make it easier. I see your point, but you may have wanted to choose a better example. A vet DLC dungeon maybe.

That will not work against single target bosse who have no adds not to mention its an unreliable proc set

vhof, vCR, vLOK, etc

If you're suggesting that you can't tank a world boss with that setup we will have to disagree completely.

World boss is just a start. You cannot tank the above mention trials with thay setup no healer.

And ZOS breathes easy knowing that 1/3rd of the trinity is required in at least 3 pieces of content.

Lab3360

redspecter23 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

msalvia wrote: »

Wanting every class to have the same tools is NOT balance. The fact that each class has native strengths and weaknesses is part of what makes this game work. And since NB is a powerhouse dps class, I don't think we can complain about it lacking the tools of a dedicated healer class like templar or tank class like DK.

Balance is having each class possess a unique set of tools geared to certain roles and situations. NB still has that and is getting heals that you're not acknowledging next patch. So balance is fine.

Again, that is not a burst heal. It will not sufficed. If you dont believe me, here is a test for you.

Roll yourself a Nightblade tank. You can wear any gear set you like.

Go to Old Kalgons Keep and solo the 3 bossee in there until they are dead.
No healer. You can use any skills any gear you desire. If you can survive with just you Hots, please let me know.

That will be an easy starter test.

Then go downstsir boss in VCR no hesler. Let me known if you survive after being hit every 2 seconds with heavy attacks and beam if you could bring youre heath up with Hots, no healer.

Then let me know if you can do the same in vHof last boss

You can wear Bahraha's Curse and solo that boss without any other outside healing on a NB tank. Any actual hots you add only make it easier. I see your point, but you may have wanted to choose a better example. A vet DLC dungeon maybe.

That will not work against single target bosse who have no adds not to mention its an unreliable proc set

vhof, vCR, vLOK, etc

If you're suggesting that you can't tank a world boss with that setup we will have to disagree completely.

World boss is just a start. You cannot tank the above mention trials with thay setup no healer.

And ZOS breathes easy knowing that 1/3rd of the trinity is required in at least 3 pieces of content.

Most player groups do not want a healer below in vCR. Especially +.

So, you must have a tank built to self heal and mitigate while providing suport for the group with sets like Alkosh.

That simply will not happen without a burst heal.

Reverb

You promised yesterday that you would were uninstalling eso and going back to bdo. I had hoped that meant you would stop with these threads. I am disappointed.

You may well have a point, but your delivery is incredibly unpalatable.

Lab3360

Reverb wrote: »

You promised yesterday that you would were uninstalling eso and going back to bdo. I had hoped that meant you would stop with these threads. I am disappointed.

You may well have a point, but your delivery is incredibly unpalatable.

Go ahead and show me the quote where I said anything about uninstalling ESO and I will send you 1mill in gold

Im sorry you found my delivery unpalatable. I the changes to nightblade reducing Offensive capabilities and defensive capabilities are unpalatable.
Its almost as if devs dont know of they want them to be offendive or defensive.
Hell, maybe neither. Thats a problem.
They sure the heal cant heal anymore.

But, I would like to know how I could improve my communication.

Tommy_The_Gun

NB has like.. um... 4 - 6 useful abilities in total.

Tbh. on my NB I allready use only like 3 - 4 NB abilities. Mostly to slot them to get the class passives. After NB changes ?
I dont know if I will use any of the NB class skills on my NB. Just LOL

^ If you are not a NB player then this comes from experiences NB player (I play since launch). So I hope it gives you a pretty good picture how severe the nerfs are.

ShadowKyuubi

I have and enjoy my nightblade tank a lot. In fact, I deleted my DK tank because it was boring compared to my NB tank. I have done some of the harder content like vMoL with my nightblade tank. While, not the most impressive of trials nowadays, dodging and being self-sufficient with the savages is hard. Honestly, the dark cloak burst heal is what got me through this when I was learning to tank with a NB. Without it, I don't think I would have been able to. Now, I am not a great tank, nor am I trying to claim to be an great tank, but I am pretty confident with my abilities and I'm sure there are people who can tank those savages with no problem. I've seen people do it. With that said, it is nice to have the "oh ***" button that dark cloak provides for tanking. There are times, when tanks will not have access to healers and have to be completely self-sufficient. It is nice to have a button for when I make a mistake that doesn't punish the group for it. I think that Dark Cloak should not be changed in the upcoming patch, but there is still time left and we will see if they follow through with it.

Lab3360

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

NB has like.. um... 4 - 6 useful abilities in total.

Tbh. on my NB I allready use only like 3 - 4 NB abilities. Mostly to slot them to get the class passives. After NB changes ?
I dont know if I will use any of the NB class skills on my NB. Just LOL

^ If you are not a NB player then this comes from experiences NB player (I play since launch). So I hope it gives you a pretty good picture how severe the nerfs are.

That just shouldnt happen. Thats a failed kit

Lab3360

ShadowKyuubi wrote: »

I have and enjoy my nightblade tank a lot. In fact, I deleted my DK tank because it was boring compared to my NB tank. I have done some of the harder content like vMoL with my nightblade tank. While, not the most impressive of trials nowadays, dodging and being self-sufficient with the savages is hard. Honestly, the dark cloak burst heal is what got me through this when I was learning to tank with a NB. Without it, I don't think I would have been able to. Now, I am not a great tank, nor am I trying to claim to be an great tank, but I am pretty confident with my abilities and I'm sure there are people who can tank those savages with no problem. I've seen people do it. With that said, it is nice to have the "oh ***" button that dark cloak provides for tanking. There are times, when tanks will not have access to healers and have to be completely self-sufficient. It is nice to have a button for when I make a mistake that doesn't punish the group for it. I think that Dark Cloak should not be changed in the upcoming patch, but there is still time left and we will see if they follow through with it.

Proper tanks will have a burst heal in there kit. No way to tank vMOL without a burst heal as a tank. You are absolutely correct.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Lab3360 wrote: »

The main complaint has to do with pvp and people being ganked. The irony here is pve tanks are going to suffer for something unrelated in pvp, specifically the high damge done in pvp from nightblades in stealth.

The Tank heal was added because Nightblades coul not properly tank endgame content without and emergency burst heal.

But all I have heare are people complaining about nightblade strengths which is high damage from stealth.

Not a single person thruout this entire forum has complained about the tank heal up until the announcement of the nerf to Dark Cloak which amounts to nothing more than "Jump on Band Wagon."

Tanks need a burst heal period.
If the tank heal needs to go, so be it. Then there is no need to strip them of the high offense.

Choice...
Take away offense or
Take away defense

Taking away both is completely over the top especially considering no one in pve has a problem with either which btw is the majority community not pvp.

Pts versiinnis a bad idea and does not lend itself to

Play any Class, Play any Role

If NB keep the burst heal, then more nerf is needed to the damage of the NBs especially from stealth.

Because that burst heal is what keeps NBs alive at PVP if they fail to one shoot someone and getting chased.
So because you cannot have both the pie whole and the dog fed, you tell us what you want.

A further nerf to NB attacks maintaining the burst heal for the handful of tanks that exist, or keep the damage and lose the burst heal resulting to alternatives?

Also someone replied to you here why the nerf happens

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5975193/#Comment_5975193

Because NBs are running 2 heals at the same time (Cloak and Vigor), and ZOS cannot nerf vigor, all stamina classes are relying upon.

So with the buff to Sap Essence maybe you should consider use that skill?

In addition there are abilities like Introspection, Symbiosis. Have you considered them?
I would take the latter at any time over HoD/BoL tbh.

exeeter702

Well i mean, statistically, they have the single most powerful burst heal tooltip wise in the game.

They just cant use it on themselves

Lab3360

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

The main complaint has to do with pvp and people being ganked. The irony here is pve tanks are going to suffer for something unrelated in pvp, specifically the high damge done in pvp from nightblades in stealth.

The Tank heal was added because Nightblades coul not properly tank endgame content without and emergency burst heal.

But all I have heare are people complaining about nightblade strengths which is high damage from stealth.

Not a single person thruout this entire forum has complained about the tank heal up until the announcement of the nerf to Dark Cloak which amounts to nothing more than "Jump on Band Wagon."

Tanks need a burst heal period.
If the tank heal needs to go, so be it. Then there is no need to strip them of the high offense.

Choice...
Take away offense or
Take away defense

Taking away both is completely over the top especially considering no one in pve has a problem with either which btw is the majority community not pvp.

Pts versiinnis a bad idea and does not lend itself to

Play any Class, Play any Role

If NB keep the burst heal, then more nerf is needed to the damage of the NBs especially from stealth.

Because that burst heal is what keeps NBs alive at PVP if they fail to one shoot someone and getting chased.
So because you cannot have both the pie whole and the dog fed, you tell us what you want.

A further nerf to NB attacks maintaining the burst heal for the handful of tanks that exist, or keep the damage and lose the burst heal resulting to alternatives?

Also someone replied to you here why the nerf happens

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5975193/#Comment_5975193

Because NBs are running 2 heals at the same time (Cloak and Vigor), and ZOS cannot nerf vigor, all stamina classes are relying upon.

So with the buff to Sap Essence maybe you should consider use that skill?

In addition there are abilities like Introspection, Symbiosis. Have you considered them?
I would take the latter at any time over HoD/BoL tbh.

A medium armor Nightblade running Dark Cloak and Vigor should be an easy kill if they have high damge. They will have less than 22k health. Everyone should be able to do 22k burst damge. If not its a problem with whoever is dpsing.


Sap needs more 3 or 4 targets to be effective as a heal.

Introspection will not work in mobile pve content with bosses that move.

Symbiosis requires you to target a team member and channel taking youre focus from the boss.

Lab3360

I think this is the post you were refering to

Actually I started seeing non tanks using it, especially considering health is higher these days. It was essentially like having 2 vigors running at the same time, with the added bonus of minor protection. On a class with the highest single target damage... yeah, fun.
Truth be told it was still more fun to fight than chasing someone around with detect pots

I understand the issue very well.
But doesnt the same thing happen when Nightblades run in a group with a healer running rapids and another running mutagen and other hots all together.

Also, throwing the baby out with the bath water is not the answer here.
I mean we are talking about eliminating an entire class in pve to tank just for a minority pvp community to be able to kill a Nightblade.

There is another answer here and its not eliminatimg a tank heal.

There are all kinds of solutions:

Dark Cloak skill effective level reliant upon Heavy armor

Dark Cloak will override Vigor

Dark Cloak cannot cast with Invisability


There are all kinds of solutions.
But eliminating a tank heal isnt a viable solution.

Lab3360

exeeter702 wrote: »

Well i mean, statistically, they have the single most powerful burst heal tooltip wise in the game.

They just cant use it on themselves

Thats not true. I have a DK tank and I can get Green Dragons Blood up to 51% insta heal with mending and cp and passives.
Dark Cloak caps at 32% and is spread over 3 seconds.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Lab3360 wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Well i mean, statistically, they have the single most powerful burst heal tooltip wise in the game.

They just cant use it on themselves

Thats not true. I have a DK tank and I can get Green Dragons Blood up to 51% insta heal with mending and cp and passives.
Dark Cloak caps at 32% and is spread over 3 seconds.

Exeeter is talking about malevolent offering and morphs, You know the burst heal that costs health and only can be cast on allies.

But you are wrong about dark Cloak not scaling with percentage based healing amps like GDB does, dark cloak does the same amount of scaling with them.

Lab3360

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Well i mean, statistically, they have the single most powerful burst heal tooltip wise in the game.

They just cant use it on themselves

Thats not true. I have a DK tank and I can get Green Dragons Blood up to 51% insta heal with mending and cp and passives.
Dark Cloak caps at 32% and is spread over 3 seconds.

Exeeter is talking about malevolent offering and morphs, You know the burst heal that costs health and only can be cast on allies.

But you are wrong about dark Cloak not scaling with percentage based healing amps like GDB does, dark cloak does the same amount of scaling with them.

Then the tooltip is wrong at all times. Because my heals from it never go up unless max health goes up. Regardless the tooltip remains the same.

I wll test more tonight.

How do you paste screen shots in here without needing a url. I would like add screens of the results

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Lab3360 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Well i mean, statistically, they have the single most powerful burst heal tooltip wise in the game.

They just cant use it on themselves

Thats not true. I have a DK tank and I can get Green Dragons Blood up to 51% insta heal with mending and cp and passives.
Dark Cloak caps at 32% and is spread over 3 seconds.

Exeeter is talking about malevolent offering and morphs, You know the burst heal that costs health and only can be cast on allies.

But you are wrong about dark Cloak not scaling with percentage based healing amps like GDB does, dark cloak does the same amount of scaling with them.

Then the tooltip is wrong at all times. Because my heals from it never go up unless max health goes up. Regardless the tooltio remains the same.

I wll test more tonight.

How do you paste screen shots innhere without needing a url. Inwould lolentonadd screens of the results

You need to look at the actual heal you get from it, not the Tooltip.

As for screenshots, upload to imgur and copy the link that has "img]" on it.

Tasear

Sorc doesn't have heals over time like nb. Nb still has malevolent offering.

Lab3360

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Well i mean, statistically, they have the single most powerful burst heal tooltip wise in the game.

They just cant use it on themselves

Thats not true. I have a DK tank and I can get Green Dragons Blood up to 51% insta heal with mending and cp and passives.
Dark Cloak caps at 32% and is spread over 3 seconds.

Exeeter is talking about malevolent offering and morphs, You know the burst heal that costs health and only can be cast on allies.

But you are wrong about dark Cloak not scaling with percentage based healing amps like GDB does, dark cloak does the same amount of scaling with them.

Then the tooltip is wrong at all times. Because my heals from it never go up unless max health goes up. Regardless the tooltio remains the same.

I wll test more tonight.

How do you paste screen shots innhere without needing a url. Inwould lolentonadd screens of the results

You need to look at the actual heal you get from it, not the Tooltip.

As for screenshots, upload to imgur and copy the link that has "img]" on it.

Ok. Thank you

Lab3360

Tasear wrote: »

Sorc doesn't have heals over time like nb. Nb still has malevolent offering.

They changed that skill. Has anyone tried that lately. Its of no benefit to a tank. If I am wrong, please explain how a tank can use that skill.