The good, the bad, and the ugly: Tharn event PVP

drkfrontiers

JumpmanLane wrote: »

drkfrontiers wrote: »

ESO promotes a divisive event as a celebration. The irony of it all.

It’s only divisive if you can’t do it and cry about it. No one who actually knows how to PvP and builds for it minds doing Cyro daily quests at all.

You seem to not understand the concept of divisiveness well.

Here let me help you dear, "tending to cause disagreement or hostility between people." Because the event is a flood of humility and tranquility right?!

Zulera301

killing/teabagging questers is like kicking puppies. Sure it's technically not against the rules, but there's no glory in doing it and it really just makes you look like an A-wipe.

JumpmanLane

Sheezabeast wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

drkfrontiers wrote: »

ESO promotes a divisive event as a celebration. The irony of it all.

It’s only divisive if you can’t do it and cry about it. No one who actually knows how to PvP and builds for it minds doing Cyro daily quests at all.

I don’t mind the quests, it was just the unsportsmanlike conduct. I’ve been pvping for a very long time.

Unsportsmanlike? What? Did they NOT ask your permission to kill you before you died?
Hehehehe.

Look everyone comes to Cyro not knowing how to pvp and they die...a LOT. Every pvper starts that way. When someone labels themselves as a PvEer and comes to Cyro, they die a lot. So what. Dying motivates you to get better. Or it should.

Jhalin

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

drkfrontiers wrote: »

ESO promotes a divisive event as a celebration. The irony of it all.

It’s only divisive if you can’t do it and cry about it. No one who actually knows how to PvP and builds for it minds doing Cyro daily quests at all.

I don’t mind the quests, it was just the unsportsmanlike conduct. I’ve been pvping for a very long time.

Unsportsmanlike? What? Did they NOT ask your permission to kill you before you died?
Hehehehe.

Look everyone comes to Cyro not knowing how to pvp and they die...a LOT. Every pvper starts that way. When someone labels themselves as a PvEer and comes to Cyro, they die a lot. So what. Dying motivates you to get better. Or it should.

There is absolutely no way to “adapt” to players that will kill you while you’re still unable to move while loading into a building

Stop supporting griefing, you know full well this isn’t because those players want to PvP

Sheezabeast

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

drkfrontiers wrote: »

ESO promotes a divisive event as a celebration. The irony of it all.

It’s only divisive if you can’t do it and cry about it. No one who actually knows how to PvP and builds for it minds doing Cyro daily quests at all.

I don’t mind the quests, it was just the unsportsmanlike conduct. I’ve been pvping for a very long time.

Unsportsmanlike? What? Did they NOT ask your permission to kill you before you died?
Hehehehe.

Look everyone comes to Cyro not knowing how to pvp and they die...a LOT. Every pvper starts that way. When someone labels themselves as a PvEer and comes to Cyro, they die a lot. So what. Dying motivates you to get better. Or it should.

Dude, did you not read my posts...I have said over and over that I was not bothered by being killed, it was watching a group of people wipe out atleast 8 or so people standing around a quest area, then each person went and tbagged every corpse. It was that that I found unsportsmanlike. I will reitterate a point from before: You don't shoot fish in a barrel and tbag the fish. It's just obnoxious behavior that effects how people experience pvp, some for the first time in this event. Not everyone finds it funny, not everyone was raised playing toxic first person shooters where tbagging became a thing. It isn't about safe spaces or any other buzzwords people are using for identatarian politics. It's about having your head out of your arse log enough to realize that what you do effects others, and that tbagging should stay between friends that know each other and already did that to each other, not people interracting with NPCs or on mounts. It's really not that hard to be courteous.

Sylvermynx

Sheezabeast wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

drkfrontiers wrote: »

ESO promotes a divisive event as a celebration. The irony of it all.

It’s only divisive if you can’t do it and cry about it. No one who actually knows how to PvP and builds for it minds doing Cyro daily quests at all.

I don’t mind the quests, it was just the unsportsmanlike conduct. I’ve been pvping for a very long time.

Unsportsmanlike? What? Did they NOT ask your permission to kill you before you died?
Hehehehe.

Look everyone comes to Cyro not knowing how to pvp and they die...a LOT. Every pvper starts that way. When someone labels themselves as a PvEer and comes to Cyro, they die a lot. So what. Dying motivates you to get better. Or it should.

Dude, did you not read my posts...I have said over and over that I was not bothered by being killed, it was watching a group of people wipe out atleast 8 or so people standing around a quest area, then each person went and tbagged every corpse. It was that that I found unsportsmanlike. I will reitterate a point from before: You don't shoot fish in a barrel and tbag the fish. It's just obnoxious behavior that effects how people experience pvp, some for the first time in this event. Not everyone finds it funny, not everyone was raised playing toxic first person shooters where tbagging became a thing. It isn't about safe spaces or any other buzzwords people are using for identatarian politics. It's about having your head out of your arse log enough to realize that what you do effects others, and that tbagging should stay between friends that know each other and already did that to each other, not people interracting with NPCs or on mounts. It's really not that hard to be courteous.

Heh. Well, if you look at the post history.... you get why. Some people simply don't have "courteous" as a trait.

theyancey

Ran 10 quests today. Nothing but junk in the boxes.

Sylvermynx

theyancey wrote: »

Ran 10 quests today. Nothing but junk in the boxes.

That's sad. Bummer

JumpmanLane

Jhalin wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

drkfrontiers wrote: »

ESO promotes a divisive event as a celebration. The irony of it all.

It’s only divisive if you can’t do it and cry about it. No one who actually knows how to PvP and builds for it minds doing Cyro daily quests at all.

I don’t mind the quests, it was just the unsportsmanlike conduct. I’ve been pvping for a very long time.

Unsportsmanlike? What? Did they NOT ask your permission to kill you before you died?
Hehehehe.

Look everyone comes to Cyro not knowing how to pvp and they die...a LOT. Every pvper starts that way. When someone labels themselves as a PvEer and comes to Cyro, they die a lot. So what. Dying motivates you to get better. Or it should.

There is absolutely no way to “adapt” to players that will kill you while you’re still unable to move while loading into a building

Stop supporting griefing, you know full well this isn’t because those players want to PvP

It happens. I got killed the other day porting to Sej. I arrived dead having been killed in the loading screen. So what.

Sheezabeast wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

drkfrontiers wrote: »

ESO promotes a divisive event as a celebration. The irony of it all.

It’s only divisive if you can’t do it and cry about it. No one who actually knows how to PvP and builds for it minds doing Cyro daily quests at all.

I don’t mind the quests, it was just the unsportsmanlike conduct. I’ve been pvping for a very long time.

Unsportsmanlike? What? Did they NOT ask your permission to kill you before you died?
Hehehehe.

Look everyone comes to Cyro not knowing how to pvp and they die...a LOT. Every pvper starts that way. When someone labels themselves as a PvEer and comes to Cyro, they die a lot. So what. Dying motivates you to get better. Or it should.

Dude, did you not read my posts...I have said over and over that I was not bothered by being killed, it was watching a group of people wipe out atleast 8 or so people standing around a quest area, then each person went and tbagged every corpse. It was that that I found unsportsmanlike. I will reitterate a point from before: You don't shoot fish in a barrel and tbag the fish. It's just obnoxious behavior that effects how people experience pvp, some for the first time in this event. Not everyone finds it funny, not everyone was raised playing toxic first person shooters where tbagging became a thing. It isn't about safe spaces or any other buzzwords people are using for identatarian politics. It's about having your head out of your arse log enough to realize that what you do effects others, and that tbagging should stay between friends that know each other and already did that to each other, not people interracting with NPCs or on mounts. It's really not that hard to be courteous.

8 people just standing around. I'd have tbagged em too!

CP5

PrayingSeraph wrote: »

Ugh people, just because people are farming AP on pve players in PVP zone does not mean they are losers at life, terrible people, pathetic etc etc.

I'm seriously cringing at these personal attacks and character judgements on players when all they are doing is getting easy kills in a video game that they play in their free time....

Exactly, this game is what people do on their free time, in which some pvp'ers have chosen to take up spots behind load doors and next to npcs that lock up players controls when being talked to, and then gank players they can be 90% sure are not geared or ready for any pvp, and do so on repeat. You think the people, doing the pve centric quest for the event, have any good feelings for those people who are doing that? This kind of mentality that it is fine to farm pve players when they enter cyrodiil is not helping the pvp population, and defending those who intentionally get a kick out of being a thorn in as many other peoples sides isn't something that many others are going to empathize with.

Beardimus wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

ErMurazor wrote: »

Im sure they didnt tbagg out of pride, they where most certainly just trolling and trying to *** ppl of

This is likely true. I just feel bad for the pure PVEers who go out to do quests and get that treatment. It only furthers the idea that PVP is toxic and is offputting to people who were new to the environment. I see so many people say they will never pvp because of how toxic and stupid people can be, and the community didn't help that image one bit by acting that way. There were all alliances there, even other yellows backed away and watched as those people just mowed everyone down. I just feel bad that people have to act like that.

I don't like all this name calling between player bases areas of the game, but reading all these threads only one camp appear toxic and entitled - spoilt by over saturation of events.....and that's PvEers.

PvPers are PvPing in a PvP zone, that's all. If you insist in rocking up in PvE gear then you need to be organised to do what you want. Same turning up for vet vMoL in impen gear - wait to hear the toxicity then from pve elite....

Or PvP players who couldn't play week 1 as they don't craft.....

Strewth

And here, if you call ganking players who are already frail due to not being geared properly while they are unable to fight back pvp, then sure it is, one-sided pvp almost as engaging as fighting someone who is afk, only with the added 'thrill' that they may be able to move a little before being killed.

barney2525

This is fascinating.

Just by reading the responses here, you can easily identify who the Adults are and who the Children are.

MirelaUmbrella

me_ming wrote: »

ZirconJunkie wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

ZirconJunkie wrote: »

I'm shocked that players would kill other players in a player versus player zone. I hope you reported them!

Oh shut the *** up. You know as well as I do people aren’t PvPing, in this case, for the sake of PvP. They’re building the trolliest groups they can for the purpose of being ***. And I’ve been PvPing almost exclusively for three years. It doesn’t bother me. I can kill most people who try to kill me, often a few at a time, don’t give a *** about reward boxes really. I don’t even have time to participate much this week, but I’ve seen it in years passed . People go out of their way to be a pain in the ass during an event precisely because they know they can, that’s not PvP that’s just people who suck in general. I’d bet 90% of them aren’t even good and are taking this opportunity to feel like big shots. Although I will say I’ve enjoyed responding to a couple of calls for help. Last PvP event I went up and obliterated this magblade camping Bruma and bagged him lol. Man did they get salty lmao. That’s the kind of person who does this, one who can dish it out but can’t take ***.

PvEers are easy targets. They have no PvP gear and no PvP experience.

They're in our world now.

Lol. It's kinda pathetic for a PvPer to bully a PvE-er, don't you think? They're not within your level. Probably not even geared/spec'd for PvP. Wearing divines (at the very least), and using PvE skills, with PvE CP allocation and mundus. They obviously don't stand a chance.

I suppose when you are a terrible PvP-er, and you enjoy this sort of behavior that's the only time you get significant number of AP. I suppose, events like this when PvE players have to go to "your world" is the only time you are able to kill anyone in this game. I suppose when you are matched with someone who was equipped for PvP, you can't even get someone down to 80% of their health. It's sad really, because actual PvP players don't tolerate this behavior. They have better things to do than try to "prove" to themselves that they are PvP players, by killing PvE players. lol.

PS I also suppose, this is the best time for you to rank up your recruit rank. lol. Grats!

Well, i hope after Elsweyr release there will be many pvp events like this one, cause unprepared pvers will be all that nbs can kill, and they need some ap too, don't they?

Tasear

The bad

Was on shor... had a ganker waiting at a quest area for goblins, just sniping all to see. I escaped but back tracked and sneaked up on them. We duel it a cat in mouse game. I head on the hills and eventually lost them... but it was only for a moment... the persistent ganker found me hidden in the rocks. We continued our dance with death with neither of us dying till we reach town. I ran through red controlled town and dodged behind a building to never see the ganker again.

The good

Gave up shor and vlas after everyone came online... nobody liked a red that deep inside. Eventually went to Sheo had some trouble simply returning the quest x3 times. Killed by blues... killed by yellows..it wasn't looking any good. Till some EP comrades came to bring balance to the PvE truce. I came back to town and the all the harassing yellow was dead. MInd you they let the other yellows alone... they just brought peace back to the city again.

Heard a story about war going on with yellow and reds in crops... turns out a pet was attacking some reds. They eventually worked on the misunderstanding through a summit of /tells and went questing again together again.

JumpmanLane

I’m in Vivec RIGHT NOW. Some fool said “veteran” DC were messing with questers at crops. I went to investigate.

Those DC were NOT vet PvPers at all. They were PvEers no doubt or new PvPers. I PvP EVERY DAY and you get to know or at least recognize players on other factions. I didn’t recognize none of them fools.

The DC dummies spread THEMSELVES out. Didn’t focus ME. I line of sighted all around those fools. They were pugs.

It’s sad that there’s this whole PvE vs PvP players sparking up in VIVEC when it’s undoubtedly all PvEers and pugs lagging up the place. Take that crap to one of those new campaigns and let ACTUAL vet pvpers pvp in peace.

Maggi12

i haven't read all topic, just entered to inform you guys, that i've got all style pages, not even being a PvPer.
Choose proper character and guest campaign.

Jhalin

JumpmanLane wrote: »

I’m in Vivec RIGHT NOW. Some fool said “veteran” DC were messing with questers at crops. I went to investigate.

Those DC were NOT vet PvPers at all. They were PvEers no doubt or new PvPers. I PvP EVERY DAY and you get to know or at least recognize players on other factions. I didn’t recognize none of them fools.

The DC dummies spread THEMSELVES out. Didn’t focus ME. I line of sighted all around those fools. They were pugs.

It’s sad that there’s this whole PvE vs PvP players sparking up in VIVEC when it’s undoubtedly all PvEers and pugs lagging up the place. Take that crap to one of those new campaigns and let ACTUAL vet pvpers pvp in peace.

meanwhile just yesterday in Malacath, that dedicated event server youre telling people to go to, there was a Grand Overlord in Bruma camping the doors to the quest buildings, and another Grand Overlord that camped the quest NPCs at Cheydenhal (that town with absolutely zero relation to any PvP objective) killing anyone that came near them and then proceeding to tbag the questers. The Cheyd group had someone afk at the quest giver to prevent anyone from sneaking to the NPC to turn in the quest without being spotted.

The PvP servers are a shitshow all the time anyway, no event required. Your fights are probably less laggy with groups of people in quest hubs instead of at fights.

eso_lags

There is no good, there is only bad. I play shor every day on xbox. Usually its 2 - 3 bars at prime time with minimal lag, but with this stupid event it might as well be vivec. Unplayable. an absolute embarrassment and joke. How long will it take for zos to give a *** about pvp performance, and more specifically console pvp performance.

Aurielle

Sheezabeast wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

It’s simple really: if a PvEer isn’t attacking you at all and just doing a quest: don’t be an ***

If they do attack: self defense I guess?

That’s a negative, boss. Ya show up with the wrong color tag, you better attack or stand real still and die.

Don’t cut anybody any breaks. There’s no such thing as a PvEr in a PvP enabled zone.

Yes but why leave your usual pvp campaign to do this? I agree with your mindset in normal pvp, but going to the event campaigns to do this?

Did it ever occur to you that these players may have been pushed out of their home campaigns because of the influx of PVEers who are just there for their box farm? I personally have gotten way less boxes than I could have, because the queue times are insane on Vivec at all hours of the day. Even Shor is full of questers at prime time. Maybe, just maybe, if PVEers has gone to the event campaigns in the first place, instead of hurr durring and selecting the first two campaigns in the list...?

Chrlynsch

ellahellabella wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Spiderg1rl wrote: »

Yeah I was in Bruma last night at the start of the event. It was a sea of all alliances. People were trying not to hit each other etc. I go to another town and Slavery time I get near the door for the quest I get killed and teabagged.

This morning was much the same until the lonely red decided he wasn't happy with this plan anymore. He died a few times and then started just doing the quests.

I'm not a massive fan of PvP, however I know where I am but to have two such differing experiences in two towns and about 20 mins.

If they wanted pvp why didn't they just go to the dedicated campaigns, why go to the new temporary campaigns to do that...I mean I was in my full pvp armor and using my Former Empress title, I didn't look like a carebear...but dang did I rage like one for a moment to myself watching them acting like jackasses.

Some people like to feel better about themselves by killing the less experienced. Happens in every MMO

Yeah the best players should just stop playing, because every time they kill someone with less skill they should just feel shame.

Jhalin

Chrlynsch wrote: »

ellahellabella wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Spiderg1rl wrote: »

Yeah I was in Bruma last night at the start of the event. It was a sea of all alliances. People were trying not to hit each other etc. I go to another town and Slavery time I get near the door for the quest I get killed and teabagged.

This morning was much the same until the lonely red decided he wasn't happy with this plan anymore. He died a few times and then started just doing the quests.

I'm not a massive fan of PvP, however I know where I am but to have two such differing experiences in two towns and about 20 mins.

If they wanted pvp why didn't they just go to the dedicated campaigns, why go to the new temporary campaigns to do that...I mean I was in my full pvp armor and using my Former Empress title, I didn't look like a carebear...but dang did I rage like one for a moment to myself watching them acting like jackasses.

Some people like to feel better about themselves by killing the less experienced. Happens in every MMO

Yeah the best players should just stop playing, because every time they kill someone with less skill they should just feel shame.

The “best players” should go do actual PvP and fight other PvPers, not go to what equates to civilian areas to use gatling guns on people just trying to do errands.

Ozby

I'm personally sick of it tbh, this event can stick it.

kratier

the dev team should listen to complaints and take them seriously, not brush them off as a one time event,
this is entire entire playerbase seeing their pvp mode and saying NO THANKS

highkingnm

To be honest, I expect to be killed in PvP. I do it often enough and am not great at it. But when an EP ganker camps by the door to one of the Bruma quest givers so you spawn upstairs (where their three mates are waiting) to kill you WHILST IN A LOAD SCREEN, that’s just scummy. Using the engine limitations to kill people who are no threat to you is just a *** move. And because, after a few minutes, no one went in, probably not even a good AP source. Worst thing is we had people in zone who started asking players why they said X or Y in a hate tell to these players, meaning players in our alliance knew they were there but didn’t warn people. PvPers wonder why so few people now join the ranks, but when events like this provide the chance, enough are toxic and unpleasant to PvEers or casual PvPers that they don’t come back.

notnsane

the blame here is on ZOS.

Not only they have absolutely no idea on how to balance PVP gameplay (or how to make it actually needing skill), but they also actively allow griefing.

This would be easily fixed if they move all quest givers to outside of houses. Yet they decide to keep it like this and catering to the neckbeards that enjoy being POS against other players.

Oh well. Just another nail in the coffin for PVP in this game.

phileunderx2

Move the quest pickup and drop off to the alliance base during these events. That way greifing is more difficult and a good number of them won't put out the effort.

purple-magicb16_ESO

ZirconJunkie wrote: »

I'm shocked that players would kill other players in a player versus player zone. I hope you reported them!

It's not the killing that bothered the op but rather how juvenile and pointless it was. Absolutley no purpose. There's so much more honor and dignity when raiding b/c there's an objective to it. I don't mind losing to a 1 on 1 challenge or even if I get rolled over top of by a zerg (just being in the wrong place at the wrong time) but I can see how he would find this disturbing. This a group griefing others simply so that they can't take part in the event.

Sirona_Starr

highkingnm wrote: »

To be honest, I expect to be killed in PvP. I do it often enough and am not great at it. But when an EP ganker camps by the door to one of the Bruma quest givers so you spawn upstairs (where their three mates are waiting) to kill you WHILST IN A LOAD SCREEN, that’s just scummy. Using the engine limitations to kill people who are no threat to you is just a *** move. And because, after a few minutes, no one went in, probably not even a good AP source. Worst thing is we had people in zone who started asking players why they said X or Y in a hate tell to these players, meaning players in our alliance knew they were there but didn’t warn people. PvPers wonder why so few people now join the ranks, but when events like this provide the chance, enough are toxic and unpleasant to PvEers or casual PvPers that they don’t come back.

One would think both PVP and PVE players would have no respect for this. Killing while in a load screen? Sucks no matter where you prefer to play, and what quality of player you are... , absolutely scummy.

max_only

The worst is the pvpers on your own side who troll people who are genuinely there for pvp. Some of us carebears get interested in the war and want to join so we type “lfg” or “invite to roe” with a sincere wish to help and get trolled by elitists that say things like “type potato for group” knowing full well there isn’t a group they just want to make fools out of people who aren’t regulars.

JumpmanLane

max_only wrote: »

The worst is the pvpers on your own side who troll people who are genuinely there for pvp. Some of us carebears get interested in the war and want to join so we type “lfg” or “invite to roe” with a sincere wish to help and get trolled by elitists that say things like “type potato for group” knowing full well there isn’t a group they just want to make fools out of people who aren’t regulars.

PCNA Ep solo/Zerg surfs. They small man with their buddies. Outside of AP and a couple guys who form pug groups at times Ep don’t roll like that.

Watch the map, go where the X’s are or listen to the call outs in zone. If you want the full Zerg experience roll AD. If you want a pale AD imitation roll DC.

heaven13

JumpmanLane wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

The worst is the pvpers on your own side who troll people who are genuinely there for pvp. Some of us carebears get interested in the war and want to join so we type “lfg” or “invite to roe” with a sincere wish to help and get trolled by elitists that say things like “type potato for group” knowing full well there isn’t a group they just want to make fools out of people who aren’t regulars.

PCNA Ep solo/Zerg surfs. They small man with their buddies. Outside of AP and a couple guys who form pug groups at times Ep don’t roll like that.

Watch the map, go where the X’s are or listen to the call outs in zone. If you want the full Zerg experience roll AD. If you want a pale AD imitation roll DC.

Every single alliance has groups of each. Depends on the campaign usually but I have absolutely seen EP zerg with full groups and "type ___ in chat for group".

I've seen players with poor sportsman like behavior across all alliances during this event. Siege quest campers, extortionists, quest gankers, campers at quest delves, etc. I've also seen nice players across all alliances.

And @max_only yeah, it sucks when people on your own team are jerks. There was a group of players trying to extort a toll from questers in Bruma earlier today and one person from my alliance was not sneaking and going and standing over stealthed people in their own alliance so the extortionists could find them.