So SNB Just Lost Its' Identity in PvP?

Wuuffyy

Spammable no longer special... No more berserk... Incap just another ultimate with less dmg than the Dawny meta scene. I don't like NBs but those nerfs over PvE because people running a skele test were too stupid to find a tank to puncture and a healer to drop cmb prayer minor berserk on cooldown. Really? Could've just:

1) nerfed cloak and taken either minor berserk OR major fracture but not both... And then
2) also just taken the major defile from incap and turned it to minor defile on all iterations of the skill

But of course that's too easy for THIS combat team... Go figure.

Ps... Should've kept minor berserk but ofc deleted minor endurance and then nerfed cloak and then used the above incap change in my opinion. Again tho… Thx ZOS!

Sandman929

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Spammable no longer special... No more berserk... Incap just another ultimate with less dmg than the Dawny meta scene. I don't like NBs but those nerfs over PvE because people running a skele test were too stupid to find a tank to puncture and a healer to drop cmb prayer minor berserk on cooldown. Really? Could've just:

1) nerfed cloak and taken either minor berserk OR major fracture but not both... And then
2) also just taken the major defile from incap and turned it to minor defile on all iterations of the skill

But of course that's too easy for THIS combat team... Go figure.

NB's still have Major Fracture, but they need to slot a skill for it rather than have it loaded on their spammable. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they didn't take one on the chin here, but it's not that something was lost (besides berserk), but that something was offloaded from a couple of overloaded abilities.

Wuuffyy

Sandman929 wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Spammable no longer special... No more berserk... Incap just another ultimate with less dmg than the Dawny meta scene. I don't like NBs but those nerfs over PvE because people running a skele test were too stupid to find a tank to puncture and a healer to drop cmb prayer minor berserk on cooldown. Really? Could've just:

1) nerfed cloak and taken either minor berserk OR major fracture but not both... And then
2) also just taken the major defile from incap and turned it to minor defile on all iterations of the skill

But of course that's too easy for THIS combat team... Go figure.

NB's still have Major Fracture, but they need to slot a skill for for rather than have it loaded on their spammable. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they didn't take one on the chin here, but it's not that something was lost (besides berserk), but that something was offloaded from a couple of overloaded abilities.

So DKs get an AOE dot with their major fracture... Wardens get a 17k tooltip avg burst with their fracture... Stamnecro (yeah...……..) But all I get is a crap reveal and a heal that is destroyed in PvP for a normal build... WOW!

Sandman929

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Spammable no longer special... No more berserk... Incap just another ultimate with less dmg than the Dawny meta scene. I don't like NBs but those nerfs over PvE because people running a skele test were too stupid to find a tank to puncture and a healer to drop cmb prayer minor berserk on cooldown. Really? Could've just:

1) nerfed cloak and taken either minor berserk OR major fracture but not both... And then
2) also just taken the major defile from incap and turned it to minor defile on all iterations of the skill

But of course that's too easy for THIS combat team... Go figure.

NB's still have Major Fracture, but they need to slot a skill for for rather than have it loaded on their spammable. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they didn't take one on the chin here, but it's not that something was lost (besides berserk), but that something was offloaded from a couple of overloaded abilities.

So DKs get an AOE dot with their major fracture... Wardens get a 17k tooltip avg burst with their fracture... Stamnecro (yeah...……..) But all I get is a crap reveal and a heal that is destroyed in PvP for a normal build... WOW!

Ok, maybe 2 on the chin.

ruikkarikun

Wake up. They want to ruin game.

Onefrkncrzypope

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Spammable no longer special... No more berserk... Incap just another ultimate with less dmg than the Dawny meta scene. I don't like NBs but those nerfs over PvE because people running a skele test were too stupid to find a tank to puncture and a healer to drop cmb prayer minor berserk on cooldown. Really? Could've just:

1) nerfed cloak and taken either minor berserk OR major fracture but not both... And then
2) also just taken the major defile from incap and turned it to minor defile on all iterations of the skill

But of course that's too easy for THIS combat team... Go figure.

NB's still have Major Fracture, but they need to slot a skill for for rather than have it loaded on their spammable. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they didn't take one on the chin here, but it's not that something was lost (besides berserk), but that something was offloaded from a couple of overloaded abilities.

So DKs get an AOE dot with their major fracture... Wardens get a 17k tooltip avg burst with their fracture... Stamnecro (yeah...……..) But all I get is a crap reveal and a heal that is destroyed in PvP for a normal build... WOW!

Totally will trade breath for surprise attack if you want. Got some passives if you are interested to. Lol

Katahdin

The sad thing is that no one is going to slot mark Target anyway. Can't afford to give up the damage from a skill that actually does damage

Scarpion

Imagine comparing noxious breath to SA lmao. One is the strongest spammable in the game, the other is an AOE dot that has a wonky hitbox and misses half the time that deals basically the same damage as hurricane (basically nothing).

helios777

Love watching StamNBs complain about a change that was maybe 3 years overdue lmao

Rhaegar75

dear friends laying a NB...you can always reroll a Templar....great mobility, able to get away, high damage!

Stigant

well .. the class that has one skill line named Assassination and is supposedly mainly a burst damage oriented class now doesn't have access to a two most logical buffs/debuffs (+8% damage done buff & Major Defile) in their class toolkit, while the new class gets Major Defile PLUS flat X denied healing recieved debuffs on one ability and Warden gets minor endurance PLUS major expedition in one skill that just by the way gives minor berserk for just being slotted on top of that... Go figure.
I agree that StamNBs were overperforming a little, but there are certainly better ways to bring them in line with other classes, than those mindblowingly lazy and illogical changes to Incap and Grim Focus.

Alucardo

Stigant wrote: »

I agree that StamNBs were overperforming a little

Understatement of the year

Wuuffyy

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Spammable no longer special... No more berserk... Incap just another ultimate with less dmg than the Dawny meta scene. I don't like NBs but those nerfs over PvE because people running a skele test were too stupid to find a tank to puncture and a healer to drop cmb prayer minor berserk on cooldown. Really? Could've just:

1) nerfed cloak and taken either minor berserk OR major fracture but not both... And then
2) also just taken the major defile from incap and turned it to minor defile on all iterations of the skill

But of course that's too easy for THIS combat team... Go figure.

NB's still have Major Fracture, but they need to slot a skill for for rather than have it loaded on their spammable. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they didn't take one on the chin here, but it's not that something was lost (besides berserk), but that something was offloaded from a couple of overloaded abilities.

So DKs get an AOE dot with their major fracture... Wardens get a 17k tooltip avg burst with their fracture... Stamnecro (yeah...……..) But all I get is a crap reveal and a heal that is destroyed in PvP for a normal build... WOW!

Totally will trade breath for surprise attack if you want. Got some passives if you are interested to. Lol

We r talking about breath and mark target and id totally trade. You still in?

Wuuffyy

helios777 wrote: »

Love watching StamNBs complain about a change that was maybe 3 years overdue lmao

Hmm. Yea 3 years overdue worth of class homogenization. Just you wait they’ll come for what you play next (I play all classes). Now my stamblade is the least fun of them all.

Tannus15

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

helios777 wrote: »

Love watching StamNBs complain about a change that was maybe 3 years overdue lmao

Hmm. Yea 3 years overdue worth of class homogenization. Just you wait they’ll come for what you play next (I play all classes). Now my stamblade is the least fun of them all.

ROFL, they already came for everyone else. It's a bit late for you to play that card.
Night blades are literally the last class to get "balanced".

Also, exactly what could they do to stam sorc? What is there to nerf or take away? LOL

Wuuffyy

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Spammable no longer special... No more berserk... Incap just another ultimate with less dmg than the Dawny meta scene. I don't like NBs but those nerfs over PvE because people running a skele test were too stupid to find a tank to puncture and a healer to drop cmb prayer minor berserk on cooldown. Really? Could've just:

1) nerfed cloak and taken either minor berserk OR major fracture but not both... And then
2) also just taken the major defile from incap and turned it to minor defile on all iterations of the skill

But of course that's too easy for THIS combat team... Go figure.

NB's still have Major Fracture, but they need to slot a skill for for rather than have it loaded on their spammable. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they didn't take one on the chin here, but it's not that something was lost (besides berserk), but that something was offloaded from a couple of overloaded abilities.

So DKs get an AOE dot with their major fracture... Wardens get a 17k tooltip avg burst with their fracture... Stamnecro (yeah...……..) But all I get is a crap reveal and a heal that is destroyed in PvP for a normal build... WOW!

Totally will trade breath for surprise attack if you want. Got some passives if you are interested to. Lol

We r talking about breath and mark target and id totally trade. You still in?

Btw surprise attack is now just a plain dmg spammable equivalent to the psjic one (it now has way more dmg potential).

Dk needs a spammable but to make statements like this are the same once advocating that magdks don’t need an execute and stamina doesn’t need a spammable.

Wuuffyy

Tannus15 wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

helios777 wrote: »

Love watching StamNBs complain about a change that was maybe 3 years overdue lmao

Hmm. Yea 3 years overdue worth of class homogenization. Just you wait they’ll come for what you play next (I play all classes). Now my stamblade is the least fun of them all.

ROFL, they already came for everyone else. It's a bit late for you to play that card.
Night blades are literally the last class to get "balanced".

Also, exactly what could they do to stam sorc? What is there to nerf or take away? LOL

No they haven’t.

Strider__Roshin

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Spammable no longer special... No more berserk... Incap just another ultimate with less dmg than the Dawny meta scene. I don't like NBs but those nerfs over PvE because people running a skele test were too stupid to find a tank to puncture and a healer to drop cmb prayer minor berserk on cooldown. Really? Could've just:

1) nerfed cloak and taken either minor berserk OR major fracture but not both... And then
2) also just taken the major defile from incap and turned it to minor defile on all iterations of the skill

But of course that's too easy for THIS combat team... Go figure.

NB's still have Major Fracture, but they need to slot a skill for for rather than have it loaded on their spammable. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they didn't take one on the chin here, but it's not that something was lost (besides berserk), but that something was offloaded from a couple of overloaded abilities.

So DKs get an AOE dot with their major fracture... Wardens get a 17k tooltip avg burst with their fracture... Stamnecro (yeah...……..) But all I get is a crap reveal and a heal that is destroyed in PvP for a normal build... WOW!

Totally will trade breath for surprise attack if you want. Got some passives if you are interested to. Lol

We r talking about breath and mark target and id totally trade. You still in?

Btw surprise attack is now just a plain dmg spammable equivalent to the psjic one (it now has way more dmg potential).

Dk needs a spammable but to make statements like this are the same once advocating that magdks don’t need an execute and stamina doesn’t need a spammable.

Oh this is just comical lol

bpmachete

Wolf I'm not sure you will get far. Lots of people don't like playing vs an Assasination class and rogue style, so to them taking away about 8% damage done and around 8% less penetration, taking away 10% stamina sustain and Defile is great, now those mosquito like NB trying to kill their 30k health 40k stam or 30k health 45k magicka Templars will seem even more puny and ridiculous than they already did trying to fight them.

Also did you forget that Fear now no longer gives Minor Maim or a snare?

They were not trying to balance it, they just made a mockery out of it, took away all the things that made NB strong for a heal from a spectral bow, and strange buffs that don't equate to anything meaningful in comparison.

Bring out a Stam Necro with a vengeance, defile them hard bro.

Wuuffyy

bpmachete wrote: »

Wolf I'm not sure you will get far. Lots of people don't like playing vs an Assasination class and rogue style, so to them taking away about 8% damage done and around 8% less penetration, taking away 10% stamina sustain and Defile is great, now those mosquito like NB trying to kill their 30k health 40k stam or 30k health 45k magicka Templars will seem even more puny and ridiculous than they already did trying to fight them.

Also did you forget that Fear now no longer gives Minor Maim or a snare?

They were not trying to balance it, they just made a mockery out of it, took away all the things that made NB strong for a heal from a spectral bow, and strange buffs that don't equate to anything meaningful in comparison.

Bring out a Stam Necro with a vengeance, defile them hard bro.

Got you.

Wuuffyy

Heart ZOS' cruelty!

BrokenGameMechanics

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

[.. Wardens get a 17k tooltip avg burst with their fracture...

Stigant wrote: »

Warden gets minor endurance PLUS major expedition in one skill that just by the way gives minor berserk for just being slotted on top of that...

FWIW, Wardens did have Endurance nerfed off their Wings skill and Scorch/Sub is now blockable. So plenty of pain for all.

Lord_Eomer

Current PTS changes are good for NB,

they are currently broken in PVP

Strider__Roshin

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Current PTS changes are good for NB,

they are currently broken in PVP

Magsorcs, and Stam wardens are currently outperforming Nightblades, and magsorc got a buff.

Don't worry though, Stam Necros are going to dump on every class in this game, but let's QQ about the fact that Nightblades had major defile on an ultimate meanwhile other classes and skills get it on a normal ability.

kalunte

Sandman929 wrote: »

NB's still have Major Fracture, but they need to slot a skill for it rather than have it loaded on their spammable.

oh, because when wardens have it from scorchs' morph without having to slot any other skill it is perfectly fine right? i mean, the skill has no red circle/line/whatever warn on the ground but is still an aoe meaning that you cant dodge it or whatever. but this is fine too right? you barely have to guess when to block or not with all the anim-cut currently in game...

asuzab16_ESO

I would actually say it's quite the opposite. sNB got nerfed, yes, but it also got quite a strong identity boost. I'm really happy about the changes to surprise attack. A position mechanics is much more fun and interesting to play than just having a debuff on a spammable, even if it's a DPS decrease. I also hated Grim Focus's clunky mechanics and I am glad that we now get to slot something else instead.

Silver_Strider

Stamblade will be fine

It's every other spec that lacks any purpose or identity.

Emma_Overload

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Spammable no longer special... No more berserk... Incap just another ultimate with less dmg than the Dawny meta scene. I don't like NBs but those nerfs over PvE because people running a skele test were too stupid to find a tank to puncture and a healer to drop cmb prayer minor berserk on cooldown. Really? Could've just:

1) nerfed cloak and taken either minor berserk OR major fracture but not both... And then
2) also just taken the major defile from incap and turned it to minor defile on all iterations of the skill

But of course that's too easy for THIS combat team... Go figure.

Ps... Should've kept minor berserk but ofc deleted minor endurance and then nerfed cloak and then used the above incap change in my opinion. Again tho… Thx ZOS!

If you don't have any problem finding a pocket healer to drop Combat Prayer on cooldown, then Nightblade losing Minor Berserk isn't even a nerf, now is it? They should be glad ZOS didn't just reduce the damage of all their overpowered skills by 8%! At least this way, they can just cast Combat Prayer or wear Slimecraw or whatever like everybody else.

Vapirko

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

helios777 wrote: »

Love watching StamNBs complain about a change that was maybe 3 years overdue lmao

Hmm. Yea 3 years overdue worth of class homogenization. Just you wait they’ll come for what you play next (I play all classes). Now my stamblade is the least fun of them all.

They already did. Stamblades are just feeling the pain stamplars, stam DKs and stam sorcs have already been dealing with for years already.

Ragnaroek93

Meanwhile it's fine that magsorc has more burst, more pressure, more defense and more mobility (and a pet which is 10x more oppressive than proc sets and bleeds).

Arkangeloski

bpmachete wrote: »

Wolf I'm not sure you will get far. Lots of people don't like playing vs an Assasination class and rogue style, so to them taking away about 8% damage done and around 8% less penetration, taking away 10% stamina sustain and Defile is great, now those mosquito like NB trying to kill their 30k health 40k stam or 30k health 45k magicka Templars will seem even more puny and ridiculous than they already did trying to fight them.

Also did you forget that Fear now no longer gives Minor Maim or a snare?

They were not trying to balance it, they just made a mockery out of it, took away all the things that made NB strong for a heal from a spectral bow, and strange buffs that don't equate to anything meaningful in comparison.

Bring out a Stam Necro with a vengeance, defile them hard bro.