Perfected Gear shouldnt be locked behind hard modes

Bigevilpeter

Veteran Trials are already insanely hard on no hard mode and very few percentage of the players ever manage to beat them, even fewer on hard mode. Hard mode isn't supposed to be content that is done by the average or even good player, it is there for the elite 1% of the community.

This new trend of locking perfected gear behind hard mode, also every set having multiple peaces meaning you have to do it a lot to get all what you need, is just stupid and discouraging. 99% of the player base will never have BiS gear and can never hope to get it.

Leave progression gear out of hard mode and keep it for cosmetics and leaderboards and those who just want a challenge. Don't lock the best game gear behind it.

P.S. I know already there will be comments of oh, why don't they just hand you the gear when you just walk in the trial or dumb generic stuff like that, we can just completely ignore them since this is just a standard bot response regardless of the situation or context.

Kikke

You don't need perfected gear unless you can do HMs tbh.

And Perfected gear aint progression gear, it's BiS End gear for HM trial goers.

Progression:
Julianos / mother sorrow pre dungeons.
Mother sorrow / Burning Spellweave: pre trial progression
Burning spellweave / spell strat: Early trial progression.
Non-Perfected Siroria / spell strat: Near end trial progression.
Perfected Siroria / spell strat: End Game Setup. Total BiS, End of the Line. You've done it all! GG!

So please, can you further explain how PERFECTED gear is PROGRESSION gear please?

Bigevilpeter

Kikke wrote: »

You don't need perfected gear unless you can do HMs tbh.

Its not just about need, it about the feeling of that you will never be complete in gear, in games like this people like to reach their max potential, its not worth it to upgrade non perfected gear to gold and in general you will never get BiS gear so that is very discouraging.

Vet trials are extreemly hard enough on their own, its probably enough of a challenge to get BiS gear

tmbrinks

Perfected gear isn't "progression" gear. You really only need it if you are doing that content.

Outside of the Asylum's Perfected Destruction Staff, the difference between "perfected" and "non-perfected" is minuscule.

Azyle1

You do not even need perfected gear for HMs lol. Unless you are trying to be on the very top of the leader boards ( Granted, I play on Console Exp ).

Fluke.Slywalker

Hmm... I'm a long way off completing for perfected gear.

However, I agree with it being locked behind hard modes. If you are to obtain the best possible gear in the game (In some opinions) then why should you not have to complete some of the hardest tasks in the game in order to be rewarded with it?

Kikke

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

You don't need perfected gear unless you can do HMs tbh.

Its not just about need, it about the feeling of that you will never be complete in gear, in games like this people like to reach their max potential, its not worth it to upgrade non perfected gear to gold and in general you will never get BiS gear so that is very discouraging.

Vet trials are extreemly hard enough on their own, its probably enough of a challenge to get BiS gear

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Kikke wrote: »

Progression:
Julianos / mother sorrow pre dungeons.
Mother sorrow / Burning Spellweave: pre trial progression
Burning spellweave / spell strat: Early trial progression.
Non-Perfected Siroria / spell strat: Near end trial progression.
Perfected Siroria / spell strat: End Game Setup. Total BiS, End of the Line. You've done it all! GG!

So please, can you further explain how PERFECTED gear is PROGRESSION gear please?

Bigevilpeter

tmbrinks wrote: »

Perfected gear isn't "progression" gear. You really only need it if you are doing that content.

Outside of the Asylum's Perfected Destruction Staff, the difference between "perfected" and "non-perfected" is minuscule.

The difference is not that small, an entire group buff set from the new trials gives the whole party 129 weapon damage which is equivalent to 1 perfected set piece and people will be all over that set and it will become BiS. You can do without it ofc, but you can do without so many things.

Also you need perfected gear to do hard modes but you need hard modes to get perfected gear.

Its like you need 5 years of experience to get a job and you need a job to get 5 years of experience

Tryxus

I'd rather get properly rewarded with Perfected gear for upping the difficulty with HM and completing it.

Otherwise, what's the incentive for doing it again after unlocking the cosmetics for the 1st completion?

tmbrinks

Fluke.Slywalker wrote: »

Hmm... I'm a long way off completing for perfected gear.

However, I agree with it being locked behind hard modes. If you are to obtain the best possible gear in the game (In some opinions) then why should you not have to complete some of the hardest tasks in the game in order to be rewarded with it?

The truth is, you don't. In Cloudrest, perfected gear drops from vCR +0, +1, +2, AND +3. So you can farm your perfected body pieces from running +1 (only weapons drop in +0) BEFORE you get to tackling vCR +3 which is the "hardest" content in the game right now.

Perfected jewelry (in purple) drops from +2. It's only at +3 that you get gold perfected jewelry.

Kikke

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Perfected gear isn't "progression" gear. You really only need it if you are doing that content.

Outside of the Asylum's Perfected Destruction Staff, the difference between "perfected" and "non-perfected" is minuscule.

The difference is not that small, an entire group buff set from the new trials gives the whole party 129 weapon damage which is equivalent to 1 perfected set piece and people will be all over that set and it will become BiS. You can do without it ofc, but you can do without so many things.

Also you need perfected gear to do hard modes but you need hard modes to get perfected gear.

Its like you need 5 years of experience to get a job and you need a job to get 5 years of experience

This aint WoW, Where BiS gear carries you to victory. You can have the best gear in game and still only do 15k DPS.

This game is about ROTATION, ATTENTION, BUILD, WEAVING and Group support.
If you dont have any of these but wear BiS gear. you will still suck! thats the truth.

ps: People using Perfected weapons (Asulym) did not use the weapon to down HM..
People killed vCR+1/+2+/+3 without Perfected armor.

So saying you NEED perfected gear for HM's is a bad point. as Noone else ever needed it.

tmbrinks

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Perfected gear isn't "progression" gear. You really only need it if you are doing that content.

Outside of the Asylum's Perfected Destruction Staff, the difference between "perfected" and "non-perfected" is minuscule.

The difference is not that small, an entire group buff set from the new trials gives the whole party 129 weapon damage which is equivalent to 1 perfected set piece and people will be all over that set and it will become BiS. You can do without it ofc, but you can do without so many things.

Also you need perfected gear to do hard modes but you need hard modes to get perfected gear.

Its like you need 5 years of experience to get a job and you need a job to get 5 years of experience

which set is that?

If you're talking about the new "claw of Yolnakhriin" set from Sunspire... there is no perfected gear from Sunspire. So that doesn't fit in this argument.

None of the current "perfected" sets give group buffs differently from their "non-perfect" version, only stat buffs for the person wearing it.

So, is the argument that the "best" gear shouldn't be in the most difficult and newest content?

polgarah

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

P.S. I know already there will be comments of oh, why don't they just hand you the gear when you just walk in the trial or dumb generic stuff like that, we can just completely ignore them since this is just a standard bot response regardless of the situation or context.

In other words: Please, just tell me what I want to hear xD

HaruKamui

Perfected gear isn't "progression" gear.

Narvuntien

But having BIS gear is mostly meaningless you get getting such a tiny advantage over non BIS gear it is only ever going to matter if you are trying to get on the leaderboards not just trying to complete stuff.

SammyFable

Can we stop wanting games to spoonfeed its players?

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

You don't need perfected gear unless you can do HMs tbh.

Its not just about need, it about the feeling of that you will never be complete in gear, in games like this people like to reach their max potential, its not worth it to upgrade non perfected gear to gold and in general you will never get BiS gear so that is very discouraging.

Vet trials are extreemly hard enough on their own, its probably enough of a challenge to get BiS gear

And why should you get that gear, if you don't work hard for it? Why should it be easy to obtain? If it just lands in your inventory with little to no work, what's it worth then? People who wouldn't be able to complete the challenge to get that gear wouldn't even be good enough in this game to actually get the benefit out of it.
All that aside, outside of the perfected vAS weapons, no perfected gear is locked behind any hard mode. You mostly get it out of regular Vet, or, for CR, the inbetween thing that we like to call +1 or +2, depending on if you only need armour pieces or jewelry aswell.

Facefister

Except for olorime, the other sets are useless.

SoLooney

You will pull like 1k more dps having perfected rele and siroria over non perfected gear. This was a great addition as casuals could access the gear on normal cloudrest while end game players could have access to perfected armor and jewelry on plus 1 2 and 3.

Just because you dont have perfected gear, doesnt mean you cant complete end game content. Your group should be focusing on getting better instead if relying on something that is hardly gonna change anything

Anyways, dont feel like you're entitled to perfected gear. If anyone could access them, then why have them in the first place?

Mathiashs

Also you need perfected gear to do hard modes but you need hard modes to get perfected gear.

Stop lying OP I've done every HM in game except Cloudrest, but done vcr+1 and 2 many times, and I still don't have full perfected siroria. Up until recently I didn't even have a inferno Vma staff because of RNG.
As a exanple recently cleared vMOL HM with the set up Burning spellweave/mother sorrow then again with vMA staff non perfected siroria/spell strat with absolutely no problem.
I've played this game for over 4 yers and done trials for a long time, but no I still don't have the end set up. END SET UP! NOT PROGRESSION GEAR! stop complaining and just buy loot runs if it's that big of a problem for you.

Tasear

Issue honestly is lacking rewards at different levels

Normal trials
Normal hardmode trials - jelewery system with cloudrest helped

Need something for vet trial not just purple gear. Cloudrest was bad for this. How about decent titles in future.

Hardmode - comestic sellable or not,

tmbrinks

Tasear wrote: »

Issue honestly is lacking rewards at different levels

Normal trials
Normal hardmode trials - jelewery system with cloudrest helped

Need something for vet trial not just purple gear. Cloudrest was bad for this. How about decent titles in future.

Hardmode - comestic sellable or not,

I thought that they did a great job with Cloudrest and their perfected gear. Olorime, Siroria and Relequen are all the best sets for certain content. Players who could not complete vCR +3 could still have access to it, players who could not complete even vet Cloudrest, still had access to the non-perfect gear, which is only marginally behind their perfected versions. It gave a reason to run the trial on normal, it gave a reason to run it on veteran (since score pushing is going to want those perfect versions to squeeze out all the possible dps).

Would it have been nice if there was a polymorph to sell, like vAS, perhaps, you could make some gold from it. That being said, I've cleared vAS HM about 50 times now, and have only seen 4 polymorphs drop in all those clears. I'm not exactly banking on getting one, nor does the chance of it dropping change my desire to do that content.

olsborg

I agree with OP. Perfected wep specially are extremely strong in pvp, I find it annoying and unfair that pvers only will have access to these strong weapons.

tmbrinks

olsborg wrote: »

I agree with OP. Perfected wep specially are extremely strong in pvp, I find it annoying and unfair that pvers only will have access to these strong weapons.

So, the well-rounded players, who do both PVP AND PVE have access to weapons that are stronger than those who only do one type of content.

Seems fair. They do more, they get more.

Edziu

as others wrote it...perfected gear is not for prgoress but cleary endgame if you can do this endgame
if you cant run this hard content then this gear doesnt belong to you and you dont need this at all

as you wrote it is no about need it but feeling to have it then feel free to look for group, guild which is able to farm this if you know you can do it

MaleAmazon

I agree with OP. Perfected wep specially are extremely strong in pvp, I find it annoying and unfair that pvers only will have access to these strong weapons.

While I can´t be sure, I suspect it is not so much perfected weapons as playing vs players who are strong enough to get perfected weapons.

It´s kind of like Harvard: You can get an education that is pretty much as good as a Harvard education in countless other places. The use of a Harvard diploma is it shows you were smart enough to get into Harvard (or had a millionaire actress mother it seems ).

Aznarb

BiS are just for people wanna leader board.
I'm not interested by this so I don't care about these gear.

I'll just take gear I love and who work for me, my build and help my group.
If it match these 3 thing, then it's ok whatever the set I wear.

Also, if they give you the "top BiS gear" in normal trial, what the point to do HM ?
Their is plenty of gear in the game that are underrated and can make you complete the whole game, yeah, even HM Trial.

Like people said, gear are just a push-up to your build and gameplay. If you'r good with what you play, anything can work.

Juhasow

why don't they just hand you the gear when you just walk in the trial

Reverb

If you can’t complete the hardest content you don’t need the best gear. Average gear is plenty good for average difficulty content.

Jaimeh

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

This new trend of locking perfected gear behind hard mode, also every set having multiple peaces meaning you have to do it a lot to get all what you need, is just stupid and discouraging. 99% of the player base will never have BiS gear and can never hope to get it.

Leave progression gear out of hard mode and keep it for cosmetics and leaderboards and those who just want a challenge. Don't lock the best game gear behind it.

Perfect gear is not progression gear, in fact, people progressing through CR won’t have the gear gathered yet. It’s for groups pushing scores and leaderboards positions, and then only for certain roles, builds, and fights. However, not having perfected gear, doesn’t mean never having BiS gear. There are plenty of great sets around, also, the difference between the perfect /non-perfect versions from CR is not that significant, and you can get the latter from normal runs. As for having to do a trial multiple times in order to get pieces, well that’s not unique to Cloudrest. I think it’s nice to have something special as a reward for the hardest content in the game, especially in the case of CR, progressing through which is quite brutal. But the cool thing is that the gear is not so special that it gives too great of an advantage (unlike arena weapons, for example), so there is no real argument to be made for their acquisition on non-hard mode, besides wanting to have everything without completing everything (since in that scenario, most people would just do +O and be done with CR).

Fluke.Slywalker

Another thread, with players wanting things quicker and easier, with little effort.

They want 10,000 boxes per writ quest, they want a motif in every one, they want to get event tickets without even eating the cake, they want 99 race change tokens, they want more stuff for FREE in the daily rewards, they want...... I could go on.

Now they want the End Game gear, before doing the End Game content. It won't end here I'm sure..

Toc de Malsvi

They have done a pretty good job with the perfected versions only being slightly better than non-perfected which really opened up content. I think they they still need more scaling though with the sets, there should be an intermediate set, or a better or worse set for Hardmode/normal. I don't think there should be a huge advantage for Hardmode gear and currently there isn't so I don't see this as a valid issue.

That said this game really is not gated by gear progression like WoW was/is, the majority of performance is purely rotation and with tweaking of setup you can still get solid numbers with just crafted/overland sets. There are a few things that over-perform: VMA bow, AS staff, VMA staff etc, even those require good play to really put them in the range where they are over-performing. If you don't light weave well or manage dots well those are not adding much value.