I'm kinda afraid of vet dungeons

Michae

Or dungeons in general, I haven't even ran all of them since random groups, well, put you in random dungeon and it's hard to do the quests from vanilla dungeons with your group rushing ahad. Sometimes they wait when I ask but I still power through the dialogues to not inconvienience them more. Besides quests I can power through them without problems right now.

Anyway, back to vet dungeons. Can you give me any advice on how to approach them (after I finish them all on normal at least once ofc)? I play stamblade, I use coward's gear with parts of briarheart, I'm around cp 400. How to prepare for vet so I don't be a bother to everybody else and don't get kicked immediately?

So as a questions breakdown:
- How important is the gear? What do you recommend for stam blade with dual daggers and bow?
- What pots should I bring?
- What's the best food buff for that situation?

Thank you in advance.

Ilithyania

my advice for vet dungeons:

start at the bottom, with easier vet dung like Fungol Grotto 1, Spindle 1, Banished 1, Darkshade 1 etc. and work yourself up.

and if you use random groups, prepare for ppl skipping some bosses (FG1) and dialog.

just bring normal health trash pots, and make sure you health is around 16 - 18 k ish.

prepare to meet both nice ppl and some salty ppl. i met mostly nice ppl in randoms

Michae

Ilithyania wrote: »

my advice for vet dungeons:

and if you use random groups, prepare for ppl skipping some bosses (FG1) and dialog.

I wanna do all the dungs on normal first to avoid skipping quests like that.

Ilithyania wrote: »

my advice for vet dungeons:

prepare to meet both nice ppl and some salty ppl. i met mostly nice ppl in randoms

Thanks, to be honest I have luck with nice people in this game. I maybe met one salty person in battlegrounds, and I play them a lot, and got kicked from IC Prison once, that's all. Still I understand that inexperienced player can be a burden so I wanted to prepare the best I can.

Prof_Bawbag

Also, pay little attention to most things you read on here. Some go on like they walked into their first vet dungeons and bossed them from the off. Join a guild that focuses mainly on the social side of things as I tend to think those are the best guilds for picking up a group of friendly people who will not pressure you to make little or no mistakes.

VileNord

Join a social guild. Most social guilds are full of people willing to help go through the dungeons for the first time. There are also a lot of dungeon mechanics videos on youtube where you can learn about a particular dungeon before even setting foot in it.

Ilithyania

Michae wrote: »

Ilithyania wrote: »

my advice for vet dungeons:

prepare to meet both nice ppl and some salty ppl. i met mostly nice ppl in randoms

Thanks, to be honest I have luck with nice people in this game. I maybe met one salty person in battlegrounds, and I play them a lot, and got kicked from IC Prison once, that's all. Still I understand that inexperienced player can be a burden so I wanted to prepare the best I can.

you are welcome ! wanting to come in prepared is a big step in the right direction, preparing can also include watching some youtube build vids, Alcast etc etc, so as a DPS you actually do some DPS. it helps alot for later vet stuff

good luck in there !

Sheezabeast

Don’t be afraid to ask what the important mechanics are for boss fights!

profundidob16_ESO

Michae wrote: »

Or dungeons in general, I haven't even ran all of them since random groups, well, put you in random dungeon and it's hard to do the quests from vanilla dungeons with your group rushing ahad. Sometimes they wait when I ask but I still power through the dialogues to not inconvienience them more. Besides quests I can power through them without problems right now.

Anyway, back to vet dungeons. Can you give me any advice on how to approach them (after I finish them all on normal at least once ofc)? I play stamblade, I use coward's gear with parts of briarheart, I'm around cp 400. How to prepare for vet so I don't be a bother to everybody else and don't get kicked immediately?

So as a questions breakdown:
- How important is the gear? What do you recommend for stam blade with dual daggers and bow?
- What pots should I bring?
- What's the best food buff for that situation?

Thank you in advance.

You're very right to dread these veteran dungeons and be afraid ! But there is hope. I have heard that somewhere in Daggerfall exists a group of people who decided to put their fears aside and brave the dangers in these dreaded dungeons. They call themselves "Undaunted"

No seriously, first as dps go practice on a dummy to verify that you are able to reach roughly around 20K dps on a target that doesn't move and doesn't require you to do any mechanics. Keep changing your gear/enchants and practise your rotation until you reach that goal first so it becomes muscle memory. Then and only then start queuing for the (easier) vet dungeons and learning to adapt to their mechanics. Avoid vet DLC dungeons since those require considerably higher dps and much more skills mechanics-wise. People won't kick you then and you'll be able to pull your own weight in any group.

as far as builds and gear go, there are so many good websites. You can literally just pick 1 favorite class and build from Alcast's site and copy paste it:

https://alcasthq.com/

Trancestor

Drop cowards gear its bad for pve, by "parts" of briarheart you mean less than full 5 pieces? If so get all 5 and switch cowards with something like hundings rage. Work on your rotation and light attack weaving. Slot vigor because you cant always rely on a healer.

robpr

Definitely change your Coward's Gear to something more contributing to damage, like Hunding's Rage. Start with some easy vets, like all basegame (+HM, because why not), then slowly go for DLC ones, starting with WGT and ICP.

Michae

Oh, just so you know, I'm not completely new to this game. I play it on and off since 2016, I just never did dungeons much, outside Undaunted event and soloing Fungal Grotto before I realised I'm supposed to bring friends. Right now I'm on my longest playing streak since September and I wanna try new stuff. The events actually helped me discover more things that I like.

VileNord wrote: »

Join a social guild. Most social guilds are full of people willing to help go through the dungeons for the first time. There are also a lot of dungeon mechanics videos on youtube where you can learn about a particular dungeon before even setting foot in it.

I already am in a guild like that, they're friendly bunch. It's just that our time slots often don't intersect. I do things in my own pace due to real life responsibilities so it'll probably be months before I even get into my first vet dungeon.

I'm also in 2 trading guilds and 2 rp ones.

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

No seriously, first as dps go practice on a dummy to verify that you are able to reach roughly around 20K dps on a target that doesn't move and doesn't require you to do any mechanics. Keep changing your gear/enchants and practise your rotation until you reach that goal first so it becomes muscle memory. Then and only then start queuing for the (easier) vet dungeons and learning to adapt to their mechanics. Avoid vet DLC dungeons since those require considerably higher dps and much more skills mechanics-wise. People won't kick you then and you'll be able to pull your own weight in any group.

I already done that during undaunted event and I can manage around 20k dps.

Trancestor wrote: »

Drop cowards gear its bad for pve, by "parts" of briarheart you mean less than full 5 pieces? If so get all 5 and switch cowards with something like hundings rage. Work on your rotation and light attack weaving. Slot vigor because you cant always rely on a healer.

I got two pieces of Briarheart.

Vildebill

Like others has suggested, get into a guild and find some nice people to do dungeons with. Most people are friendly and will explain mechanics, let you take time to do the quest, and give you advice on your rotation, gear, skills and other useful advice.

If your current dungeon guild aren't as active as you might want, I suggest either drop another guild to get a good social dungeon guild, or leave this one if you don't want to leave the other guilds. And get a headset with a microphone if you don't have it, communication is key to success

Grianasteri

I remember feeling similarly, but now vet dungeons are not something I am afraid of and I am confident dropping into a public group as well.

This was achieved by focusing on obtaining good sets with the correct enchants and traits, working on my builds and rotation to improve dps etc, and ultimately, by just jumping in and going for it. Vet dungeons were a big step up, but you get used to it.

At 400 CP, you are more than ready, if your gear, build and rotation are decent.

- How important is the gear? What do you recommend for stam blade with dual daggers and bow?

You will get endless ideas about what is or is not best. Briarheart is a great set, particularly if you are new to vet dungeons as it helps keep you alive, but you need 5 pieces, not parts of as you mentioned. I use it on one of my stam dds. Hundings rage is craftable so easy to get, very good all round set. Other sets to consider, depending on your build, Spriggans, Relequen, Vipers sting, Sheer venom.

There are a lot of good options, these are just a few I use across my stam dds. At this point aim for wearing two complete sets of 5, with a monster set to come.

As for pots and food, these are fairly easy to identify what aids you, you will want to buff your damage and max stamina - if you can, choose consumables that also buff health and recoveries. There are plenty of usable options.

Michae

Grianasteri wrote: »

- How important is the gear? What do you recommend for stam blade with dual daggers and bow?

You will get endless ideas about what is or is not best. Briarheart is a great set, particularly if you are new to vet dungeons as it helps keep you alive. I use it on one of my stam dds. Hundings rage is craftable so easy to get, very good all round set. Other sets to consider, depending on your build, Spriggans, Relequen, Vipers sting, Sheer venom.

There are a lot of good options, these are just a few I use across my stam dds.

As for pots and food, these are fairly easy to identify what aids you, you will want to buff your damage and max stamina - if you can also use consumables that buff health and recoveries. There are plenty of usable options.

What about traits? I'm practically swimming in transmutation geodes and have most of the traits on gear unlocked. Anything you can recommend?

Isojukka

Michae wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

- How important is the gear? What do you recommend for stam blade with dual daggers and bow?

You will get endless ideas about what is or is not best. Briarheart is a great set, particularly if you are new to vet dungeons as it helps keep you alive. I use it on one of my stam dds. Hundings rage is craftable so easy to get, very good all round set. Other sets to consider, depending on your build, Spriggans, Relequen, Vipers sting, Sheer venom.

There are a lot of good options, these are just a few I use across my stam dds.

As for pots and food, these are fairly easy to identify what aids you, you will want to buff your damage and max stamina - if you can also use consumables that buff health and recoveries. There are plenty of usable options.

What about traits? I'm practically swimming in transmutation geodes and have most of the traits on gear unlocked. Anything you can recommend?

Divine is best trait in body pieces

AndrewQ84

Rightfully so. The hardest part of any random que veteran dungeons is the inevitablility thag you WILL get placed with elitist pigs who will make your vet dungeon run a nightmare. But.. do not let this discourage you. My best suggestion is to find a real chill guild that will run them with you. You will wipe. Its part of the nature of the beast. Practice is the best teacher. As one person has said, start small and work you way up.

As far as gear goes, I too run a stamblade at the moment. I have Velidriths, hundings and Toothrow. With this set up, basic blue stam/health food and no pots, I push about 23k dps. More than enough for most if not all vet dungeons. I will be planning on running trials (basic not vet to start) soon for upgrades, but thats a different story.

One step at a time. Take it easy. Dont let eilitist morons dissuade you. We all started somewhere at some point. If you are on pc-na you can hit me up. My spcial guild loves running dungeons and we are all super duper chill. We also take the time to explain mechanics and are not worried about wipes or even slow dps. We don't mind if it takes longer to complete. Which is what the main problem is with a lot of people. Hope to see you on the vet dungeon que. 😊

AndrewQ84

Michae

@AndrewQ84 Unfortunately I'm at PC/EU. But thanks for the advice!

MartiniDaniels

First thing you need if you don't want to be a burden to group is to check your dps and impove your gear/rotation to get at least 20k dps for vet1 dungeons, 25k for vet2, 30k for dlc vets. It's not about preferences, but 400k mobs won't die on their own and it's often required by mechanics that those mobs must die quickly. It's not about some elitism or urge for fast runs etc, this is designed purposefully by ZOS as dps checks. Of course sturdy tank and resourceful healer can extend fight long enough so majority of base vets can be completed even with 10k dps. But second dps may vote kick you if he will see that he does 70%+ of group dps.
Second thing is that dps are squishy, so don't expect to face-tank aoe's and mobs. All red circles must be avoided. If regular mobs are on you and you can't finish off them right now, kite them. If elite mob or boss is on you it's tank's fault but that fault often happened because you didn't kill those mobs fast or ignored them, so anyway you must survive, block or better dodge their hits. Correct dodging requires practice and dying to one-shots. It's ok.
Third thing - self-heal is a must have. For stamblade it's a "vigor", you may get it in couple of hours if you join successful group in cyro, or may run some BGs.

AndrewQ84

Michae wrote: »

@AndrewQ84 Unfortunately I'm at PC/EU. But thanks for the advice!

All good. Advice still stands. Take it one step at a time and for the love of all the divines, do NOT let those elitist pigs dissuade you. Play them and enjoy it. The difficulty can be fun. Remember, find a nice social guild. They tend to have the chillest people.

If i were to leave you with one last piece of advice, rotation and spells used are more important that gear I believe. You can have the best gear in the world but if you dont know how to best use the tools your class has, it wont be very effective. But again, playing what you want is always more important. Remember that and have fun @Michae

sudaki_eso

Watch the "All about mechanics" Series on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-rM-3hfqAOSLSP3w_W57Iw/playlists

It explains mobs and boss fight mechanics, try to remember them and start playing the dungeon.

- How important is the gear? What do you recommend for stam blade with dual daggers and bow?
Lots of builds are working fine for most of the content, if you can hit 25k on a target dummy you are good to go for the base vet dungeons. You can find builds at alcast or xynodes website.

What pots should I bring?
if you can afford it weapon crit potions.

- What's the best food buff for that situation?
depends on your sustain, if dont have trouble with it use blue max stam & health food. If you have trouble sustaining a fight you would need the more expansive max health + stam + reg food like Artaeum Takeaway Brooth

Grianasteri

Michae wrote: »

What about traits? I'm practically swimming in transmutation geodes and have most of the traits on gear unlocked. Anything you can recommend?

Standard practice is to have all your body armour enchanted with max stamina (for stam char). You can play about a bit with that depending on if your build needs health/magica but for dps you will basically want all stamina enchants.

For the traits its fairly common practice is to infuse the large bits, so increasing max stamina, and to devine the small bits, so increasing your mundus stone buff.

Do that and its pretty effective

Nemesis7884

The difference between a good group and a "bad" one with fake tanks/healers or unfriendly people is like night and day - with a good group you breeze through a vet dungeon without issues, with a bad group you wont make it through a normal dlc dungeon....so dont get discouraged and just jump in

FierceSam

Hey Michae,

First off, it depends how comfortable you are with normal dungeons. If you feel comfortable there (and you’re doing FG1 solo, which is more than many of us), you’re in the right space to step up. Don’t have any worries about that. And don’t let the step up intimidate you.

Could not agree with @sudaki_eso more, Xynode’s All About Mechanics series on the YouTube is a fantastic primer on each dungeon’s mechanics and the best tactics to use (although I might not start on Depths of Malatar:) ). Watch some of the early ones for a general feel then check out when the next time that FG1 is a pledge and play that relentlessly. After about 3 runs you’ll be wondering why you were worried.

But by a mile the best way to ease yourself into vet dungeons is to get together with a guild or friends who play regularly at the same times as you do. Discord is a big help for the more complex vet dungeons.

Not sure what you mean by playing at odd times, but feel free to hit me up when you’re playing and fancy a quick vet run. @IamFierceSam

Mrslizardface

Keep divines on body pieces, main hand go nirnhoned and offhand go sharpened or infused. Run lover or shadow mundus. Buy the rest of the briar heart set and run with hundings rage. And please get rid of cowards gear.

Itzmichi

Michae wrote: »

Or dungeons in general, I haven't even ran all of them since random groups, well, put you in random dungeon and it's hard to do the quests from vanilla dungeons with your group rushing ahad. Sometimes they wait when I ask but I still power through the dialogues to not inconvienience them more. Besides quests I can power through them without problems right now.

Anyway, back to vet dungeons. Can you give me any advice on how to approach them (after I finish them all on normal at least once ofc)? I play stamblade, I use coward's gear with parts of briarheart, I'm around cp 400. How to prepare for vet so I don't be a bother to everybody else and don't get kicked immediately?

So as a questions breakdown:
- How important is the gear? What do you recommend for stam blade with dual daggers and bow?
- What pots should I bring?
- What's the best food buff for that situation?

Thank you in advance.

Dont be. We all started small and had to fight our ways to the top with a lot of try & error and hours after hours of stucking, wiping and learning. If you are scared to do it alone you might wanna find yourself some other players to fit the missing roles so you can progress together and form a strong team once you are used to each other.

zvavi

man. i will give you a great advice right now. join a social guild. they will show you the ropes.

Defilted

This is not real life, there is nothing to be afraid of..

Plenty of nice people out there.

Kuramas9tails

zvavi wrote: »

man. i will give you a great advice right now. join a social guild. they will show you the ropes.

Vildebill wrote: »

Like others has suggested, get into a guild and find some nice people to do dungeons with.

VileNord wrote: »

Join a social guild. Most social guilds are full of people willing to help go through the dungeons for the first time. There are also a lot of dungeon mechanics videos on youtube where you can learn about a particular dungeon before even setting foot in it.

^^^^^^^^^^ You have no idea how joining a guild can really help you learn and grow.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Michae wrote: »

Or dungeons in general, I haven't even ran all of them since random groups, well, put you in random dungeon and it's hard to do the quests from vanilla dungeons with your group rushing ahad. Sometimes they wait when I ask but I still power through the dialogues to not inconvienience them more. Besides quests I can power through them without problems right now.

Anyway, back to vet dungeons. Can you give me any advice on how to approach them (after I finish them all on normal at least once ofc)? I play stamblade, I use coward's gear with parts of briarheart, I'm around cp 400. How to prepare for vet so I don't be a bother to everybody else and don't get kicked immediately?

So as a questions breakdown:
- How important is the gear? What do you recommend for stam blade with dual daggers and bow?
- What pots should I bring?
- What's the best food buff for that situation?

Thank you in advance.

-How important is gear? The answer i that it is important, but it is not the end all be all. There are tons of options that will work. Briarheart is a great stamina DPS set. Cowards gear on the other hand, is pretty blah. I mean its a stam set, and will help recovery, but there a lot of better options. Something simple like Hundings rage would serve you far better. Eventually, you will want to pair with a monster helm and shoulders from the vet dungeons, but in the meantime, any two piece that gives weapon damage, crit, or raw stamina will work just find. The idea is to have 2 complete 5-piece sets and 1 2-piece monster set. So for example. 5 briarheart, 5 Hundings, 2 Selene (its one of the easier monster sets to acquire). On a NB, 2 Daggers front bar and Bow backbar are the clear favorite for DPS.

-Far more important than gear is a basic damage rotation. Do yourself a favor, and spend some time on a DPS dummy before you jump in the vet queue. If you arent pulling 20-25k DPS, while being able to kill the dummy and sustain your rotation in one go, you really arent ready for the vet groupfinder. A good stamblade will be well north of 50k, so 20-25k really is a bare minimum these days if you dont want to get booted every other group. Can most content be cleared with less? Sure, but at this point of the game, less than 20k means you have no business in most vet content.

-Weapon Power pots. They give Major Brutality (weapon damage), Major Savagery (weapon crit), and Major Endurance (stam recovery). These are the three most basic and fundamental buffs you can have as a stamina DPS. The easiest way to get them is from weapon power pots, but there are other sources. If you dont have all 3, your damage will suffer and your sustain will struggle. The other important buff to stam DPS is major fracture, but that should come from your tank (NBs also get it from surprise attack, so either way you are set). But for example, you could get major savagery from Expert Hunter in the fighters guild line and major Brutality from Power extraction. Pots are just way more efficient.

-The best food will either be Blue Health+Stamina Food if you can sustain your rotation (a NB should be able to if you keep up leeching strikes), or you can run Dubious Cameron Throne (Health+stam+stam recovery). Its a little less health and Stamina, but the recovery is nice when learning. Its probably your better option. The recipe for DCT comes from the event that just ended this morning, so you might find a decent price on the recipe if you dont have it. Its one of the pricier ones, but its worth it. The other option is the gold food Atrium Takeaway broth, but it is very spendy to craft and almost identical to DCT. Unless running trials for score, it's not worth it.

-As to how to approach them, start with the older ones and work your way up. Generally the I's are easier than the II's and DLCs are generally a noticeable step up in difficultly. I would up your DPS requirement to 30k for vet DLCs on a stamblade. Again, can be done with less, but 30k on a stamblade is just not that much damage these days. People love to say that you can get buy with less if you follow mechanics. While that is certainly true, I find that people who are incapable of hitting 30k on a meta DPS class like stamblade, dont exactly excel when it comes to some of the tougher mechanics in this game.

kmcaj

Just play. Don't worry about the random others. You bought the game. Have fun with it. Just Google a build, example alcast, if your own decisions aren't working out for you. That will give you something generic that works - will be very similar to what is already recommeded on this thread but will provide some CP distribution advice and other stuff too. Worst case you get kicked a few times (or more) and that's going to happen regardless with randoms. Nothing to be concerned with.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

kmcaj wrote: »

Just play. Don't worry about the random others. You bought the game. Have fun with it. Just Google a build, example alcast, if your own decisions aren't working out for you. That will give you something generic that works - will be very similar to what is already recommeded on this thread but will provide some CP distribution advice and other stuff too. Worst case you get kicked a few times (or more) and that's going to happen regardless with randoms. Nothing to be concerned with.

Alcast builds are absolutely a great place to start. It will answer a lot of the smaller questions (Food, CP, atttributes, enchants, traits, etc) that come with putting together your first build for vet content. But again, gear and CP arent everything. This game comes down to damage rotations and how well they are executed. It is in your interest to hammer it out on dummy for a few hours before you jump blindly into the vet group finder.