Are sorc pets becoming a Criminal Act?

WildRaptorX

Just want a heads up. Far as I’m aware they won’t be but - we are summoning Daedra afterall.

MLGProPlayer

Summoning daedra isn't illegal. Most mages in Tamriel do it, including those in the Mages Guild and Psijic Order.

Necromancy is illegal because you are desecrating someone's soul. Daedra summoning is just summoning an entity from Oblivion to do your bidding. You aren't hurting anyone.

KhajiitFelix

Divayth Fyr knows better.

UntilValhalla13

It would be funny if they were. It would certainly help reduce lag in towns where there's hordes of twilights everywhere.

max_only

In the stream they said they will not be adding justice interactions to Sorcs yet. It’s harder to go back and change something like that than it is to add a new thing like Necromancer justice. They said after Necromancer, they are looking into vampire and werewolf justice interaction next. So first Necro, then ww and vamp, then maybe down the line a few other skills. They joked that it doesn’t make sense that you can just put down a wall of fire or dragon leap in the middle of town without reaction. That said, it would be too much imho to go back and do all that for everything.

DBZVelena

as of yet, the devs said no. HOWEVER, this could change in the future, after elsweyr.

VaranisArano

max_only wrote: »

In the stream they said they will not be adding justice interactions to Sorcs yet. It’s harder to go back and change something like that than it is to add a new thing like Necromancer justice. They said after Necromancer, they are looking into vampire and werewolf justice interaction next. So first Necro, then ww and vamp, then maybe down the line a few other skills. They joked that it doesn’t make sense that you can just put down a wall of fire or dragon leap in the middle of town without reaction. That said, it would be too much imho to go back and do all that for everything.

"Destruction magic's fine, just don't go burning down any buildings."



"Go cast your fancy magic someplace else."

logarifmik

VaranisArano wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

In the stream they said they will not be adding justice interactions to Sorcs yet. It’s harder to go back and change something like that than it is to add a new thing like Necromancer justice. They said after Necromancer, they are looking into vampire and werewolf justice interaction next. So first Necro, then ww and vamp, then maybe down the line a few other skills. They joked that it doesn’t make sense that you can just put down a wall of fire or dragon leap in the middle of town without reaction. That said, it would be too much imho to go back and do all that for everything.

"Destruction magic's fine, just don't go burning down any buildings."



"Go cast your fancy magic someplace else."

"So you can cast a few spells, am I supposed to be impressed?"

Really, guards and citizens need some wits to react on mindless spell users, duels and such.

TheShadowScout

Keylun wrote: »

Are sorc pets becoming a Criminal Act?

One could hope!
I mean, summoning a deadric beastie without a proper license? Walking around with a unleashed bear? No, that just would not do... so one might hope that someday those beasties might find themselves unsummoned whenever entering a "safezone" city, and trying to resummon them within city limits might raise the ire of the town guard...

max_only wrote: »

They said after Necromancer, they are looking into vampire and werewolf justice interaction next.

Good!
I always wanted to see that ever since justice became a thing in tamriel...

max_only wrote: »

That said, it would be too much imho to go back and do all that for everything.

You mean, like they did when it became illegal to steal stuff???

Of course they can do it!
Once the "using this skill gets bounty" mechanic is in the game, they can refit it to whatever they want!

Tho I expect they will want to spend some time considering what exactly they want to make justice-reactable... after all, occasionally there -are- lawful cases of self-defense when, say, a werewolf jumps you in a breton town, or a zombie shambles after you a nord smithy, or you have to beat down a cutpurse in a trade city, or thump a drunk mammoth in a wood elf village, or kill risen dead in an alik'r harbor, or slap around a nasty shadow in a high eld settlement, or defeat a traitorous guard captain under the eyes of a crow... stuff like that.

All fights where you just -might- end up under the eyes of a guard, so while they might consider some spells to be frowned upon in town, like having a unlicensed daedra or bears, or casting meteor strikes in the marketplace... they would not want to begrudge wizards and witches a bit of magic for self-defense, right? I mean, what else are these poor nerdy casters gonna do, try martial arts?

morrowjen

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Necromancy is illegal because you are desecrating someone's soul. Daedra summoning is just summoning an entity from Oblivion to do your bidding. You aren't hurting anyone.

Unless you're in Morrowind practicing it on a non-Dunmer or practicing ancestor rites which non-Dunmer consider necromancy but Dunmer do not.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

I suspect they want to see how much flak they get for Necromancers getting bounties for using their abilities before they unleash that mechanic on everyone. Because you know there will be people who don't pay attention to the tooltip, rack up a huge bounty and then complain that they're getting attacked by the guards every time they get close to town.

Rex-Umbra

Daedra lives matter, please make criminal or at least make pets only visible to the caster they are lagging out cities.

Sylvermynx

I already dismiss mine before hitting cities. Bears, flappies, dinos..... they all go bye bye.

Sathukai

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

It would be funny if they were. It would certainly help reduce lag in towns where there's hordes of twilights everywhere.

Whenever I got into a town, i always unsummon my twilight or scamp. Not out of courtesy of other players, but because I don't want to scare the townsfolk with my interdimensional monster pets.

TheShadowScout

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Because you know there will be people who don't pay attention to the tooltip, rack up a huge bounty and then complain that they're getting attacked by the guards every time they get close to town.

Of course we know!
Why do you think we are eagerly awaiting to...

...when they do that?

imredneckson

Keylun wrote: »

Just want a heads up. Far as I’m aware they won’t be but - we are summoning Daedra afterall.

Lorewise, no. Summoning daedra is very common and widely accepted. It can cause harm to the daedra and/or just really insult and *** them off but hey who cares. Necromancy on the other hand is widely considered evil in almost all cultures on Tamriel. Its very painful and it tortures the spirt that is being bound regardless of how long. So no, your summons are safe but my necromancer wont be.

fierackas

Hopefully they will add a bounty to anyone who decides to duel in a town too.

Dracan_Fontom

#deadriclivesmatter

karekiz

As a pet sorc, who likes the pet system.

Wouldn't mind it.

dazee

"STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM, NO PETS ALLOWED IN THIS TOWN!"

Aznarb

dazee wrote: »

"STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM, NO PETS ALLOWED IN THIS TOWN!"

And then shut you done to the ground and you can ear "IT'S NAME IS JOHN CENAAAAA !"




Yeah, yeah, I know, time to sleep..

ezio45

Not to familiar with the lore on this but at least in skyrim conjuration is viewed as ok with the only specifically negatively viewed skills from there being necromanctic skills. Though in skyrim those are also not subject to any justice gameplay elements.

Generally i would say the majority of conjuration skills are viewed as ok in the lore. However im not a lore master and it is also effected by the area. I would say

Digiman

Well if they make summoning daedra an offense they better provide a better way to desummon pets. Its annoying to require a addon or use the Character screen to right click to desummon the pets.

Inklings

Digiman wrote: »

Well if they make summoning daedra an offense they better provide a better way to desummon pets. Its annoying to require a addon or use the Character screen to right click to desummon the pets.

It should be done via a justice screen with a guard. Guard comes up to and gives you option to put pet away and clicking that option would unsummon your pets. The means to do so is already in game or I should say was. If you ever did vMA as a sorc or warden with a bear round 5 would unsummon your pets upon completion when it would clear the stage of the spawned doggos after the boss is killed.

Its recently been fixed after last update but it gives us good insight on a means to make this work.

Nerouyn

max_only wrote: »

In the stream they said they will not be adding justice interactions to Sorcs yet. It’s harder to go back and change something like that than it is to add a new thing like Necromancer justice.

Total nonsense.

If they wanted to make sorc summoning abilities evoke a justice reaction it would be simpler than shitting your pants. Just flag those 3 abilities the same way as the necro ones.

It just doesn't make sense. If the ultra goody gumdrop Psijics have an atronach working their fields, no-one should be bothered by player controlled daedra.

Fur_like_snow

Strangely enough I always thought soul trapping was the worst moral offender in Tamerial magic. You’re taking the Essence of living creatures sometimes Mer and trapping them inside soul gems then consuming those gems to power weapons or create spells. None bats an eyelash at the practice of enchanting. But necromancy gets a bad rap for some odd reason.

Ragged_Claw

Well exqueeze me, but I always unsummon my flap-flap because she gets in my face, the imp is benign and doesn't bother anybody except for the vile smell off of it; and it's never been illegal to summon Daedra in any of the previous games. It should be illegal to have your big bear ass standing on the apples I'm trying to steal though. And then my veiny-ass looking vampire should probably be killed on sight as well as werewolves running free with the wind blowing through their fur etc.

TLDR: Lorewise summoning is legal, necromancy illegal.

FlopsyPrince

Digiman wrote: »

Well if they make summoning daedra an offense they better provide a better way to desummon pets. Its annoying to require a addon or use the Character screen to right click to desummon the pets.

You can in the Character screen, even on the PS4. A bit of a pain, but doable.

Nissiku

I am, by no means, an expert of TES lore, but...

NO, NECROMANCY IS NOT ILLEGAL, except for Morrowind, Hammerfell, and Valenwood, and maybe some other places. Necromancy not only perfectly legal in Elsweyr, but also traditional Khajiit culture sees no sanctity in a dead body and have no superstitious prejudices against Necromancy.

NO, NECROMANCY IS NOT "ENSLAVEMENT OF SOULS". It could be done, but you also could burn orphanage with Destruction, which does not mean that Destruction is school of magic that burns orphanages - it's an obvious logical FALLACY. Furthermore, known necromantic texts advice against trying to do so (with an unwilling soul), even for a practical reasons - it's dangerous and have no benefits.

SOUL TRAPPING IS NOT DANGEROUS OR IMMORAL, UNLESS DONE WITH A BLACK SOULSTONE. Roughly speaking, there are two main components of a soul in TES, similar to Vodou, for example. There are "big souls", which are "fuel" - they can be captured by usual soulstones, and the there are "small souls" which are consciousnesses, and they can be trapped by black soulstones - it is enslavement of a soul, obviously bad thing.

Morgul667

Nissiku wrote: »

I am, by no means< an expert of TES lore, but It's really annoying as oblivion how people don't know stuff, but still talk like the do...

NO, NECROMANCY IS NOT ILLEGAL, except for Morrowind, Hammerfell, and Murkmire, and maybe some other places. Necromancy not only perfectly legal in Elsweyr, but also, since traditional Khajiit culture sees no sanctity in a dead body, Elsweyr is one of the best places for Necromancers to practice.

NO, NECROMANCY IS NOT "ENSLAVEMENT OF SOULS". It could be done, but you also could burn orphanage with Destruction, which does not mean that Destruction is school of magic that burns orphanages - it's an obvious logical FALLACY. Furthermore, known necromantic texts advice against trying to do so (with an unwilling soul), even for a practical reasons - it's dangerous and have no benefits.

SOUL TRAPPING IS NOT DANGEROUS OR IMMORAL, UNLESS DONE WITH A BLACK SOULSTONE. Roughly speaking, there are two main components of a soul in TES, similar to Vodou, for example. There are "big souls", which are "fuel" - they can be captured by usual soulstones, and the there are "small souls" which are consciousnesses, and they can be trapped by black soulstones - it is enslavement of a soul, obviously bad thing.

DAEDRA SUMMONING IS SUBJECTED TO TREATMENT SIMILAR TO NECROMANCY. It's illegal in Summerset, for example. And daedra summoning, frankly, more dangerous and morally questionable than Necromancy, at least when it concernes summoning sentient daedra.

Nissiku wrote: »

I am, by no means< an expert of TES lore, but It's really annoying as oblivion how people don't know stuff, but still talk like the do...

NO, NECROMANCY IS NOT ILLEGAL, except for Morrowind, Hammerfell, and Murkmire, and maybe some other places. Necromancy not only perfectly legal in Elsweyr, but also, since traditional Khajiit culture sees no sanctity in a dead body, Elsweyr is one of the best places for Necromancers to practice.

NO, NECROMANCY IS NOT "ENSLAVEMENT OF SOULS". It could be done, but you also could burn orphanage with Destruction, which does not mean that Destruction is school of magic that burns orphanages - it's an obvious logical FALLACY. Furthermore, known necromantic texts advice against trying to do so (with an unwilling soul), even for a practical reasons - it's dangerous and have no benefits.

SOUL TRAPPING IS NOT DANGEROUS OR IMMORAL, UNLESS DONE WITH A BLACK SOULSTONE. Roughly speaking, there are two main components of a soul in TES, similar to Vodou, for example. There are "big souls", which are "fuel" - they can be captured by usual soulstones, and the there are "small souls" which are consciousnesses, and they can be trapped by black soulstones - it is enslavement of a soul, obviously bad thing.

DAEDRA SUMMONING IS SUBJECTED TO TREATMENT SIMILAR TO NECROMANCY. It's illegal in Summerset, for example. And daedra summoning, frankly, more dangerous and morally questionable than Necromancy, at least when it concernes summoning sentient daedra.

Hello most of your points are valid

But many in the elder scroll universe consider that the use of necromancy even for good, corrupts the caster. Hence some people are against its study even by the wisest

Nissiku

Morgul667 wrote: »

Hello most of your points are valid

But many in the elder scroll universe consider that the use of necromancy even for good, corrupts the caster. Hence some people are against its study even by the wisest

I talked about "facts" of lore. I did not dispute that Necromancy surrounded by superstitions and prejudice in many places of Tamriel. Sload are the ones we have to "thank" for that.