Jewelry Master Writs

tmbrinks

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tmbrinks wrote: »

Ajax_22 wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

ZeusChaos25 wrote: »

Ajax_22 wrote: »

ZeusChaos25 wrote: »

theyancey wrote: »

You think that anyone would buy them?

That's what I don't know, only the rich people of ESO will buy them tbh.

The only people that buy them are speculators. They buy them now, for cheap, with the expectation that ZOS will one day make changes that bring jewelry crafting more in line with the other professions. The only issue with this is space, which can be mitigated with a second account.

I highly doubt they are gonna change the jewelry crafting anytime soon.

Agreed. They already made the major changes with Wolfhunter patch. With the reduction of platings to upgrade by about half, and the multiplying of the master writs by a factor of about 4. Any changes are going to be minor tweaks. The prices may eventually come down as the supply gets larger, but that may only be a 10-15% reduction, IMO.

Jewelry crafting becomes part of ESO plus with Elsweyr. I expect them to make changes to it within a few patches after that.

Do we know that for sure yet? That has been past practice with Morrowind, but I don't think I've seen anything official.

Yes, they've said multiple times in ESO lives that Summerset will become a DLC.

Must have missed those, thanks for the information!

phileunderx2

They are an instant deystroy for me.

lardvader

IMO they are not worth it. I delete every single one. Would not even send them to my worst enemy

Alinhbo_Tyaka

tmbrinks wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

ZeusChaos25 wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

generally they are NOT worth it by any means, maybe some very rare exeptions.

(Numbers from MM PC EU)

just look at the matprices....25k for purple mats....85k for golden mat

3x25k + 4x85k+ about 25k to get to blue = 75k+25k+340k = 440K...for a freaking Writ

lets say you have a very rare 450 voucher writ
440k gold spent to get 450 vouchers

now taking some normally good selling items to determine voucher price:
200k for attunable jewelry station -> 250 vouchers = 800g / voucher

doin the math 450 voucher x 800g = 360k gold

negative balance of 80k gold....NOT worth it!

Yea, that cost is just ridiculous. No wonder people just sell or destroy them. Over on the Xbox EU server, the gold plating is going for 100K at least from what I've seen. I've got 2 gold plating I might just sell.

so were cheap on PC EU with 85k

sitting on over 2mil gold just in gold plating now...mayn vet HM cleas in Trials and doin jewelrycrafting n all chars works wonders

Agreed. Actually doing your daily writs on JC, and I've earned dozens of chromium platings so far. Add in refining and deconning, and it's about 100 total

Just checked my spreadsheets. 38 from doing daily writs since Summerset, and another 15 from refining since the start of 2019. Extrapolating back the drop rates and knowing that my refining amount has been pretty consistent, that'd be another 45 since launch of Summerset (give or take), so about 98 total.

Those numbers are somewhat misleading. As I recall you have 15 crafting characters. If those results are extrapolated down to the more common one or two crafting character per player the number of Chromium grains and plating is significantly less. Add in the low Zircon drop rate as well and the JC master writs become even more useless for the typical player.

tmbrinks

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

ZeusChaos25 wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

generally they are NOT worth it by any means, maybe some very rare exeptions.

(Numbers from MM PC EU)

just look at the matprices....25k for purple mats....85k for golden mat

3x25k + 4x85k+ about 25k to get to blue = 75k+25k+340k = 440K...for a freaking Writ

lets say you have a very rare 450 voucher writ
440k gold spent to get 450 vouchers

now taking some normally good selling items to determine voucher price:
200k for attunable jewelry station -> 250 vouchers = 800g / voucher

doin the math 450 voucher x 800g = 360k gold

negative balance of 80k gold....NOT worth it!

Yea, that cost is just ridiculous. No wonder people just sell or destroy them. Over on the Xbox EU server, the gold plating is going for 100K at least from what I've seen. I've got 2 gold plating I might just sell.

so were cheap on PC EU with 85k

sitting on over 2mil gold just in gold plating now...mayn vet HM cleas in Trials and doin jewelrycrafting n all chars works wonders

Agreed. Actually doing your daily writs on JC, and I've earned dozens of chromium platings so far. Add in refining and deconning, and it's about 100 total

Just checked my spreadsheets. 38 from doing daily writs since Summerset, and another 15 from refining since the start of 2019. Extrapolating back the drop rates and knowing that my refining amount has been pretty consistent, that'd be another 45 since launch of Summerset (give or take), so about 98 total.

Those numbers are somewhat misleading. As I recall you have 15 crafting characters. If those results are extrapolated down to the more common one or two crafting character per player the number of Chromium grains and plating is significantly less. Add in the low Zircon drop rate as well and the JC master writs become even more useless for the typical player.

Very true. I do complete writs on 15 characters a day. I fully understand that people may not do that many, just saying that the opportunity is there to earn those.

Apherius

I sell them for 3 gold everytime. It don’t worth more

Nestor

Bottom line, until all of my characters have crafted purple jewelry or better, I am not going to waste one single temper on a Master Writ.

Tan9oSuccka

This desperately needs to be fixed. I’ve seen unit prices at 15 gold per and they still don’t sell in traders.

I’ve been deconstructing pretty much all of them. You can’t sell them, and certainly not worth doing.

drkfrontiers

I destroy every single jewelry writ respective of their value. I need my mats for more important things.

LadySinflower

I'm on console so don't have addons. I am probably capable of making a spreadsheet to calculate the per-voucher cost of master writs... However I'm not that great at math and don't know the equation. Is it possible for someone to elaborate? Thanks.

Ahlteffour

I think writs would be worth doing if there was a bigger selection of things to buy with the vouchers. I for one would love to see dwarven construction repair parts added. Running HoF for an off chance at one is kinda a drag.

I am sure there could be other cool things added too.

Fluke.Slywalker

They do need to re-work this. Only the richest of players, or players who have farmed so many surveys for mats could possibly consider completing on a jewelry writ.

I do my writs every day on 9 toons and I have only just managed to farm amount mats from surveys to gold out 1 set of BSW accessories.

It's a real shame, I'm not sure of a fix, if they removed the whole 'grain' thing and just made plating drop then it would work for the writs but then again it would make it possible for us to gold out all the sets we wanted with little farming.

It needs aligning with the other crafts IMO. I have about 5k of each crafting mat, but I have 13k platinum from the surveys I do, yet I have gotten only 17 chrome plates since Somerset release. I might get 10 or 12 grains from my monthly surveys, yet I can make between 5 and 10+ gold items from those same surveys.

I'd like to see this fixed too!

Dagoth_Rac

Ajax_22 wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Ajax_22 wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

ZeusChaos25 wrote: »

Ajax_22 wrote: »

ZeusChaos25 wrote: »

theyancey wrote: »

You think that anyone would buy them?

That's what I don't know, only the rich people of ESO will buy them tbh.

The only people that buy them are speculators. They buy them now, for cheap, with the expectation that ZOS will one day make changes that bring jewelry crafting more in line with the other professions. The only issue with this is space, which can be mitigated with a second account.

I highly doubt they are gonna change the jewelry crafting anytime soon.

Agreed. They already made the major changes with Wolfhunter patch. With the reduction of platings to upgrade by about half, and the multiplying of the master writs by a factor of about 4. Any changes are going to be minor tweaks. The prices may eventually come down as the supply gets larger, but that may only be a 10-15% reduction, IMO.

Jewelry crafting becomes part of ESO plus with Elsweyr. I expect them to make changes to it within a few patches after that.

Do we know that for sure yet? That has been past practice with Morrowind, but I don't think I've seen anything official.

Yes, they've said multiple times in ESO lives that Summerset will become a DLC.

Have they directly addressed Jewelry Crafting? Morrowind became DLC but did not include Warden. I could see them doing something similar with Summerset, where the zone becomes regular DLC but unlocking Jewelry Crafting is a separate purchase.

AcadianPaladin

I destroy any jewelry master writs I get as they just don't seem to make any sense for the mats they would eat if I did them. When I do jewelry writs, I'm mostly hoping for surveys so that in grinding up all the results I can hopefully get a few purple dusts from them.

Linaleah

IMO, a large legendary writ is worth doing... once. for dye. its a very good looking gold dye. after that? trash

jazsper77

There was a player in Shadofen PS4 NA last nite trying to sell a 342 writ for 320k. The whole zone tried to explain to him not worth 10g. I got the impression he thought we were lying to him.

Tan9oSuccka

jazsper77 wrote: »

There was a player in Shadofen PS4 NA last nite trying to sell a 342 writ for 320k. The whole zone tried to explain to him not worth 10g. I got the impression he thought we were lying to him.

It’s true. Traders are bursting with them.

But to be fair one that high, I might buy if less than 5K.

Jeremy

ZeusChaos25 wrote: »

Are Jewelry Master Writs worth doing? It takes a lot of resources and money to make some of the stuff Legendary, which to me, doesn't seem worth it at all. I've got about 20 Master Jewelry Wrists in my bank. Should I just sell them at 500 gold a piece?

They're a flawed concept.

The obvious idea behind Jewelry Master Writs was to give players more frequent access to writs with a higher number of vouchers but at a higher cost to make. The problem with that approach is there are so many players with numerous alts spamming crafting dailies on a routine basis that the rarity of the other writs isn't really a concern. So someone who is need of writs can simply buy the rarer ones off the guild stores in excess for cheaper.

They would have to make crafting writs bind on pick up for them to have any real value I think. Or perhaps make crafting dailies account wide.

Colecovision

I destroy 3 or 4 jc writs a week, but if you have a character at level 50 in JC, the 400+ writs are easymode to get the storage chests. I got one for my wife last night and gave her the plating as well. The writ was actually 7k, but it was for a 3 trait set in infused. Yesterday morning she had 2 chests, now she has 4 and it wasn't a big effort.

tmbrinks

I am saving the 100+ voucher epic and 400+ voucher legendary with the hopes that they might become worth doing in the future. Chromium plating prices are down about 8% on PC/NA over the last 10 days (according to my MM), so there is some movement going on there, and perhaps some of the absolute "best" ones will become plausible to do.

As others have said, the value in doing JC daily writs is in the surveys that you get, not the master writs. Would I like them to be worth something, yes, but it doesn't change the calculation I make when deciding whether or not to do writs.

In fact, based on current MM prices and measured drop rates, jewelry crafting is actually the most profitable of all the crafts to do writs with, and that's assuming absolutely no return from the master writs that drop. The surveys with the raw mats, as well as the chromium grains that drop from them make them worthwhile to do, even if the master writs are destroyed.

I agree that something should change with the master writs, but I'm not sure what.

If you drastically change the drop rate of grains (or change them to platings), JC becomes so cheap that the golden goes obsolete. If you raise the voucher value of master writs to compensate further, the value of master writ vouchers goes down, devaluing the other crafts and their rewards, since there will be a lot more in circulation.

alenae1b14_ESO

I now DESTROY all these little suckers after saving them for months.

Mudcrabber

I have one for (I think) 156 vouchers. TTC suggested about 400-500 gold. I tried to give it away for free in Vvardenfell zone last night but there were no takers, just lols.

tmbrinks

Mudcrabber wrote: »

I have one for (I think) 156 vouchers. TTC suggested about 400-500 gold. I tried to give it away for free in Vvardenfell zone last night but there were no takers, just lols.

I mean, that's because the 156 voucher ones call for legendary ring. So, yes, it's a bad one. But there are 115 voucher JC master writs that call for an epic ring... which is much better.



more vouchers =/ better writ. Same is true of some of the other crafting ones. There are a few clothing ones, enchanting ones using Haikejo, and a couple 40 voucher provisioning ones that aren't worth doing for profit. The cost per voucher is more than what you can sell items from the master writ voucher vendor for. Now, if you got them from writs you did, and you're going to use them to buy things for yourself, they are very close to the same cost as buying either the item from a trader, or the cost of buying more "efficient" master writs from a vendor and then doing them yourself, so they aren't entirely useless.

Starlock

Linaleah wrote: »

IMO, a large legendary writ is worth doing... once. for dye. its a very good looking gold dye. after that? trash

Indeed. I still need to do this. It will probably be the one legendary jewelry I ever craft. I cannot get enough platings to do anything with it. So sad.

Bagatur

The simplest solution is to cut the number of required grains for a planting to 5. It will put everything where it should be, except very low 30v epic and 100v+ legendary masterwrits. It will halve the prices of plantings as well, making them more convertable units.

Katahdin

Nope, not worth it.

I destroy every one I get that is,worth less than 100 vouchers. The rest sit in my storage in case they ever become more reasonable or I don't need the mats for my characters. Soon, I'll start destroying ones less than 150 and that number will increase until get sick of storing them and destroy them all.

tmbrinks

Katahdin wrote: »

Nope, not worth it.

I destroy every one I get that is,worth less than 100 vouchers. The rest sit in my storage in case they ever become more reasonable or I don't need the mats for my characters. Soon, I'll start destroying ones less than 150 and that number will increase until get sick of storing them and destroy them all.

The epic ones for 100-115 vouchers are more worth than a legendary one for 150 vouchers.... at least I'd be selective in which ones you destroy.