Don't kick people who are actively trying from a PUG random normal dungeon

Saltypretzels

Cause that happened to me and I'm mad about it.

Kicked without any word, no explanation, and blocked immediately by 2 of the 3 other players. The one other player was nicer, and at least gave me a whispered explanation afterwards that I wasn't using the right tank skills. Though he must have voted to kick me, so he is not innocent. But I got us through the first boss without any deaths and we were just finding trash mobs when I was kicked. I wasn't AFK, and I was trying my best.

This was a random normal dungeon using the dungeon finder. I'm a returning player trying to get my feet under myself again. It takes 3 people to kick, so don't be one of these jerks.Give people a chance to learn.

I just needed to vent. Thanks.

Odovacar

Some people are just ****s. Brush it off and keep it rolling.

Giraffon

They should have told you something was wrong and given you a chance to correct it. That's not representative for a normal dungeon pug. Try to let it just bounce off of ya' and go about your business. As a tank, you can re-queue pretty fast.

rotaugen454

I try to help people in pugs. If they scream to not tell them what to do and keep getting the group wiped, that’s one thing, but I can solo most dungeons on regular so I just tell them a better way and the vast majority of the time we finish with no problems.

Defilted

What are the right tank skills? This is a normal dungeon so if you are taunting, I am not sure what they need.

ghastley

Don't let it get to you. I've had my tank kicked from Darkshade II because you can't taunt or CC the Engine Guardian, and so a tank's not needed. You'll be able to find other instances where you do everything needed, and you still get kicked, such as letting in a friend just for the final boss, because they didn't want to carry them all the way. Stuff happens.

StormeReigns

Ive seen a familiar trend happening in normal randoms. Last quarter was very rare, but this quarter, nor so much.

Almost like WoW's lfd. Someone does the vote kick and reasons is idiotic to trollish like "lulz" and the group members just click yes to get the notification off their screen, not even reading the reason why and suddenly stubbed as to why they are now waiting for someone to fill in the ranks.

Not sure if its a sudden influx of WoWfugees coming in with bad habits, trollish jackhats, or both. But is seems to be coming more noticeable now.

dazee

I never like to kick someone from a group for any reason other than being a jerk but I guess I'm just way nicer and more decent than the people you describe in your OP.

VaranisArano

ghastley wrote: »

Don't let it get to you. I've had my tank kicked from Darkshade II because you can't taunt or CC the Engine Guardian, and so a tank's not needed. You'll be able to find other instances where you do everything needed, and you still get kicked, such as letting in a friend just for the final boss, because they didn't want to carry them all the way. Stuff happens.

I always chuckle at normal Darkshade II with random PUGs. Sure you don't need a tank for the Engine Guardian except for CC on the adds and extra DPS...until your healer fails the poison phase as the DD scatters and my tank is the last person standing to rez the group and prevent a total wipe.

Sometimes, you didnt know you needed a tank until you need a tank.

Lyserus

hmmm

Are you using taunt skills? If you are then you are not to be blamed...
If not, oh well...

sudaki_eso

Kicking from normal? What is wrong with those people....

GimpyPorcupine

If you were taunting, then they're jerks. But if you weren't taunting, then you're the jerk for faking your role. I've had plenty of fakers admit that they were just trying to bypass the long DPS queue. That's why I always vote to kick fakes, and drop group if the vote fails.

Zacuel

Every body knows what they are doing and don't want to hear it.

Even when they don't know what they're doing at all....

Pug life.

Saltypretzels

Yeah I was taunting. I was chaining, I was using choking talons, I was doing igneous shield combined with green dragon blood.. I suppose I was using banner instead of warhorn. Perhaps I hit a few buttons wrong a few times.

Thanks for the kind replies. It was a strange experience. I encourage people not to kick players who are present and trying. If things are that bad, it is YOU who should leave. At least in dungeon finder group.

r34lian

Except for some dlc dungeons tank is not needed and I always que my dps as tank for random normal takes like 10 to 15 min the most if i get long ones like COA 2 or imperial city prison btw max cp here

FlyingSwan

It's pretty bad behaviour and I am sorry you experienced it. Normal dungeons should not require kicks as tanks are not really needed, so people should learn their skills there.

Probably the same type of people who say, "L2P!!", and I think, "ok but where, if you're kicking the new players?!"

Jeremy

Saltypretzels wrote: »

Cause that happened to me and I'm mad about it.

Kicked without any word, no explanation, and blocked immediately by 2 of the 3 other players. The one other player was nicer, and at least gave me a whispered explanation afterwards that I wasn't using the right tank skills. Though he must have voted to kick me, so he is not innocent. But I got us through the first boss without any deaths and we were just finding trash mobs when I was kicked. I wasn't AFK, and I was trying my best.

This was a random normal dungeon using the dungeon finder. I'm a returning player trying to get my feet under myself again. It takes 3 people to kick, so don't be one of these jerks.Give people a chance to learn.

I just needed to vent. Thanks.

They were probably a troll group. What happens is three people queue up together then vote to kick the fourth player for stupid reasons, like not using the exact skill set up they believe you should. So long as you performing the basic role of a tank there was no legitimate reason to kick you and I hope you reported them. The fact this occurred in a normal dungeon just makes the odds this was a troll group that much certain.

They either need to just remove the kick function altogether or make it to where people who queue up together count as only a single vote toward kicking someone. That would put an end to abuse like this. You're right to be pissed though. It is quite annoying when this happens. But hey, at least you're a tank and can queue again with ease. Imagine if you were a DPS and just kicked for something stupid after waiting for over an hour in a queue.

Reivax

I started playing WOW when it was still vanilla, and there were mostly people new and learning and nobody seemed to mind your failures too much.
I left after Cataclysm and by that time I would only ever ran dungeons with guild or friends. People in PUGs were often really rude. Often enough I didn't want to bother doing it.

Move to ESO when it started, and ran PUGs all the time, and always had a great time and still have many of those people as friends.
But lately, people are getting to be like WOW ended up being.

My best advice is join a guild, even a loose guild. People in your own guild are less judgy in a dungeon, and far more likely to offer advice.

Minyassa

Jerks bein' jerks. May they pull only fake tanks for all the runs where they actually need a real one.

todokete

Don't kick if you're trying hard because you get mad about it? What's up with all these immature posts?

Ertosi

VaranisArano wrote: »

I always chuckle at normal Darkshade II with random PUGs. Sure you don't need a tank for the Engine Guardian except for CC on the adds and extra DPS...until your healer fails the poison phase as the DD scatters and my tank is the last person standing to rez the group and prevent a total wipe.

Sometimes, you didnt know you needed a tank until you need a tank.

Funny you bring that dungeon up. It's my least favorite dungeon to PUG, even on normal, as that last fight is a pug wiper! Everything leading up to the final Engine Guardian fight is so easy peasy, it simply doesn't prepare the average pug for what to expect. Final fight starts and everyone else is insta-dead as soon as that poison phase hits.

I've started using the very first pull of that dungeon as a great indicator as to how the final fight is going to go. First pull, if everyone else is dying to the simple adds and it's taking them forever to kill anything, I already know that final fight isn't going to go well and the trip there is going to be like slogging through mud, so I'll save myself the time and politely bow out and try again later in a different zone.

Wildberryjack

I can't stand that. If someone isn't doing something right and it impacts the group then tell them to give them a chance to correct it. They have no idea what they did wrong if you just kick them so how can they improve? Jeez.

Hallothiel

That is why I dislike pugs.

Guilds are defiantly the best way to do dungeons/trials I find - but even then i’ve had well-meaning guildies tell me what I should be doing - according to them - even though i’ve just done my role well & have completed the dungeon without problem but I haven’t done it exactly how THEY would do it and somehow feel the need to tell me this without asking if I would like some advice first.

(Dps telling me how to heal when they kept running around out of my range and were damned lucky I was adaptable & managed to keep them alive.)

Just smiled sweetly & thanked them & after reflection ignored their advice.

Ogou

Considering how rare solo tanks are in pugs I can't see how the time they had to wait to replace you was shorter than the time it would have taken to just talk to you about what their issue with you was.

siddique

Most normal dungeons can be soloed pretty easily and definitely two manned. Don't know what tank could have possibly not done for three other people to not be able to clear it.

sneakymitchell

Cause you didn’t pull 1k more dps.
Get it?

AndyMac

Saltypretzels wrote: »

Yeah I was taunting. I was chaining, I was using choking talons, I was doing igneous shield combined with green dragon blood.. I suppose I was using banner instead of warhorn.

Which is about 10x more tanking than any normal dungeon needs. Normal dungeons are glorified delves - what the hell kind of group even needs a tank at all never mind warhorn? That’s a joke. Smh.

I think you just pulled a **** group. It happens to everyone- just laugh it off and move on.

Catbells

I think a one problem is being able to spam "vote to kick". I've repeatedly voted "no" to kick a player because I could tell that they were trying and there had been no discussion between us about removing them. But one person just spammed vote to kick so many times that I ended up just voting yes so we could finish the damn dungeon.

There should be a cooldown on voting to kick so that one player can't spam the others until they agree. I'm always happy to spend a bit longer on a dungeon if there's a newer or inexperienced player. People shouldn't pug unless they're willing to accept that not everyone they group with will be super fast or efficient.

idk

Kicked for not using the right tank skill in a normal dungeon. For most normal dungeons I would say those that vote kicked you are idiots as most normal dungeons can be done without a tank.

Jeremy

Catbells wrote: »

I think a one problem is being able to spam "vote to kick". I've repeatedly voted "no" to kick a player because I could tell that they were trying and there had been no discussion between us about removing them. But one person just spammed vote to kick so many times that I ended up just voting yes so we could finish the damn dungeon.

There should be a cooldown on voting to kick so that one player can't spam the others until they agree. I'm always happy to spend a bit longer on a dungeon if there's a newer or inexperienced player. People shouldn't pug unless they're willing to accept that not everyone they group with will be super fast or efficient.

Yes. This is a problem. A lot of times they will sneak in a vote kick right before a boss fight as well and other players accidentally click it believing it's a ready check.

KatzMainTank

if they're going into normals RELYING on proper/preferred tank skills then they did you a favor.
I'd rather be kicked then suffer 5 minutes of bowtard light attack spamming and miss ice staff of clueless and can't read heavy attacking then running out of the room and resetting when they pull aggro.