Stonekeeper set is underperforming in PvP

RouDeR

I was just so exited about this set, after 1 week of Undaunted keys farming i finally got my Heavy stonekeeper shoulder and oh boy, am i disappointed after few days in battlegrounds...

The set is Semi-decent in general (pve perspective for beginner tanks) and is bad in PvP ( 14 seconds CD makes it terrible )...

What is my setup: (Guard DK for Bgs)
Redguard Dragon knight with all points in Health
Body 7x Heavy - 2x stonekeeper and 5x Battalion Defender all impen ofc, jewery + weapons 5x Robes of the Hist set.
Frontbar 1hnd and shield, backbar Resto.

For comparison running the same setup with just stonekeeper swapped to Troll King or Bloodspawn or even Pirate Skeleton gives me SIGNIFICANT more survivability.

I mean, Troll King is just so deamn good, and not only to myself, it is good for my allies too and i can keep them alive much easier.

Bloodspawn set - this is literally best in slot for defensive DK builds since i remember ... Offers OP asf ultigen, and 10% mitigation.

Pirate Skeleton - it is situational and i use it when i use destro backbar instead of resto, it is also excellent mitigation/survival boost set.



Stonekeeper - Offers periodically stats restoring every 15.5 seconds you think that the set has 14 sec CD, however you still need to gather 6 charges, and no more than 4 charges per second can occur, because of how block ticks are working. At first 5k stam and 5k magicka seems okay, however this is equal to the cast of 2 skills + 2-3 seconds of blocking or 1 more break free/roll dodge.
For a DLC monster set this is pretty underwhelming, when more good monster sets are gonna be released/reworked to be in pair with Bloodspawn, Troll King, Pirate Skeleton, Skoria ?

Alpheu5

It's not a survivability set, it's a sustain set. You were trying to use a nail to do a screw's job.

RouDeR

Alpheu5 wrote: »

It's not a survivability set, it's a sustain set. You were trying to use a nail to do a screw's job.

Sustain for tanks = Survivability, so the comparison is in place

firedrgn

The healer set is going to be bis. Symphony of blades. If it will work on self try it. Says ally

RouDeR

firedrgn wrote: »

The healer set is going to be bis. Symphony of blades. If it will work on self try it. Says ally

It was stated in the second cycle of PTS that this set works only on Allies and not on self

Silver_Strider

Odd.

People wouldn't shut up about how OP Argonian was with a 4670 Tri-stat on a 45 second CD. Are you saying a set that provides 5350 tri-stat on a 15.5 second is somehow NOT OP? Logic does not compute.

From Love
-Salty Argonian player

Lord_Eomer

This set was even bad design, if they buff then PVP players complaining all over.

ZOS need to understand and not design any such sets in future, even Vykosa, Thurvokun are useless sets.

RouDeR

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Odd.

People wouldn't shut up about how OP Argonian was with a 4670 Tri-stat on a 45 second CD. Are you saying a set that provides 5350 tri-stat on a 15.5 second is somehow NOT OP? Logic does not compute.

From Love
-Salty Argonian player

Try it yourself for a few matches, it is not OP at all...
The thing with argonian is that to they had 4600 stat restore passive without sacrifice anything at all it is like comparing the
Orc swift passive that gives 12% sprint bonus and 10% Sprint cost reduction to the stupid Fiord legacy set, where you sacrifice 5 piece bonus that could be way much stronger.

The power of the argonian didn`t came only trough the potion passive, but trough the 10% increased healing and the immunity to poison and desease status effects.

GallantGuardian

Underperforming in pvp you say? I actually wanna use this set for my pve tank so this is good news to me

Grandma

I'd rather have new sets be underperforming in pvp. There's already enough overtuned sets that destroy pvp historically, it's a refresher to not have to deal with people making 30 threads about the new pvp sets every week.

GallantGuardian

Nvm

Ajax_22

GallantGuardian wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

firedrgn wrote: »

The healer set is going to be bis. Symphony of blades. If it will work on self try it. Says ally

It was stated in the second cycle of PTS that this set works only on Allies and not on self

I believe you’re thinking of symphony of blades cause I don’t see what you are saying in any of th patches


Stonekeeper (Monster Mask)
1 – Adds 548 Maximum Stamina
1 – Adds 548 Maximum Magicka
1 – Adds 603 Maximum Health
2 – When you block an attack, you gain an energy Charge stack, up to one stack per second. When you gain 6 Charges, you release the energy, restoring 5350 Stamina and Magicka, and healing for 5350. After releasing the Charges, you cannot regain new Charges for 14 seconds.

And nothing in that says it’s for allies

Please direct me to where you read it for confirmation

He quoted a person taking about Symphony of Blades. That's obviously what he was talking about.

GallantGuardian

Ajax_22 wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

RouDeR wrote: »

firedrgn wrote: »

The healer set is going to be bis. Symphony of blades. If it will work on self try it. Says ally

It was stated in the second cycle of PTS that this set works only on Allies and not on self

I believe you’re thinking of symphony of blades cause I don’t see what you are saying in any of th patches


Stonekeeper (Monster Mask)
1 – Adds 548 Maximum Stamina
1 – Adds 548 Maximum Magicka
1 – Adds 603 Maximum Health
2 – When you block an attack, you gain an energy Charge stack, up to one stack per second. When you gain 6 Charges, you release the energy, restoring 5350 Stamina and Magicka, and healing for 5350. After releasing the Charges, you cannot regain new Charges for 14 seconds.

And nothing in that says it’s for allies

Please direct me to where you read it for confirmation

He quoted a person taking about Symphony of Blades. That's obviously what he was talking about.

Whoops my bad

Silver_Strider

RouDeR wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Odd.

People wouldn't shut up about how OP Argonian was with a 4670 Tri-stat on a 45 second CD. Are you saying a set that provides 5350 tri-stat on a 15.5 second is somehow NOT OP? Logic does not compute.

From Love
-Salty Argonian player

Try it yourself for a few matches, it is not OP at all...
The thing with argonian is that to they had 4600 stat restore passive without sacrifice anything at all it is like comparing the
Orc swift passive that gives 12% sprint bonus and 10% Sprint cost reduction to the stupid Fiord legacy set, where you sacrifice 5 piece bonus that could be way much stronger.

The power of the argonian didn`t came only trough the potion passive, but trough the 10% increased healing and the immunity to poison and desease status effects.

And yet despite this ZOS nerfed Argonians into the ground and gave everyone access to a stronger version of the potion passive. Argonian brought more survivable in exchange for being weaker in terms of damage. Now, other races can match Argonian in terms of survivably while Argonian STILL does crap damage.

You'll forgive my cynicism but after 4 weeks of dealing with morons on PTS that swore that Argonian's Potion Passive with Infused Potion Enchants was why they were OP, my sodium levels are reaching lethal doses right now and I'm not taking any prisoners as I lash out.

RouDeR

Actually after further observation, the charging can occur maximum 1 time per second, so the total CD of the set is 20 seconds in the best case, and can be up to 1 minute ( i think the charges are kept for 10 seconds) when there are no constant blockable attacks against you

kathandira

I would change it to this

(2 items) When you block an attack, you gain an energy Charge stack, up to one stack per second. When you gain 6 Charges, you release the energy, restoring 5350 Stamina and Magicka, and healing for 5350. After releasing the Charges, you cannot regain new Charges release charges for 14 seconds.