If ZOS will not give us a class change token...

MornaBaine

would you be satisfied if they made achievements account wide and removed the timer from mount training? On the latter, there would be no reduction in gold cost, you just could buy as many levels of mount training as you wanted at a time.

Kikke

Yes, this would satisfy me.

as an achievement farmer, ESO is growing boring for me. As I am stuck on 1 character at all times.

Siohwenoeht

Other (please explain your alternative, keeping in mind that class change is NOT an option).

Non-pvp achievements would be fine, but not skyshards or guild rep. Horse training timer could definitely be reduced or eliminated if the cost remains the same.

Tandor

No, I do not want them to do this.

I'm wholly opposed to the concept of making everything account-wide, for the reasons given in the many previous such topics.

I'm not remotely averse to genuine quality of life improvements (such as the ability to re-order your characters on the character selection screen), but these demands for class change tokens and account-wide achievements etc go way beyond quality of life improvements and involve structural gameplay changes. It's sometimes suggested they could be optional, but that isn't really the case as those players who don't opt in to them would be kicked from groups and unable to compete on a level playing field with those who do opt in to them. Such major changes would also involve a massive diversion of developer resources away from more important things - especially if the changes were optional so that two different systems would have to operate alongside each other with the ability to switch between them. It just isn't practical.

SwedishMini

No, I do not want them to do this.

Just give us a *** class change.

AlexanderDeLarge

Yes, this would satisfy me.

I'm sick of the people saying no influence ZOS' decision that should be mine and mine alone. You don't want to synchronize achievements among all your characters? Okay. You want to level up your PvP skills and guild skill lines on a character by character-basis? Okay. You do that.

All I know is that making alts in this game is a huge pain in the ass and it actively prevents me from creating more characters. Two is enough for me. Not to mention the 1-50 experience (which in my opinion should be removed for veteran players) halts my overall CP progression even further on top of the game actively deincentivizing alts.

Siohwenoeht

Other (please explain your alternative, keeping in mind that class change is NOT an option).

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

I'm sick of the people saying no influence ZOS' decision that should be mine and mine alone. You don't want to synchronize achievements among all your characters? Okay. You want to level up your PvP skills and guild skill lines on a character by character-basis? Okay. You do that.

All I know is that making alts in this game is a huge pain in the ass and it actively prevents me from creating more characters. Two is enough for me. Not to mention the 1-50 experience (which in my opinion should be removed for veteran players) halts my overall CP progression even further on top of the game actively deincentivizing alts.

You can level new toon to 50 in a few hours, they already sell experience scrolls if you want to go that route, hell they give plenty away as login rewards. The issue is with anything that could give an advantage (on top of CP) to a veteran player on a new toon, versus a brand new player levelling their first toon.

The game encourages players to start group dungeons and pvp at a fairly low level. Any of these requests for skyshards or guild levels would give vet players a even bigger leg up on new players in all the content. Quite frankly I'd prefer that CP can't be allocated until a toon hits level 50 for the same reason. Let level 10 mean level 10 whether you've played since beta or bought the game yesterday.

These are the reasons why a lot of folks are opposed to these ideas.

Banana

Yes, this would satisfy me.

Id rather be dead than start a new character from scatch. Account wide everything or class change please. I have money to share.

Edziu

Yes, this would satisfy me.

I was an achievement hunter before morrowind patch and to this I was stuck with playing only single character - my main for achievs

I didnt want to do them on every other character....as for me this is my progression, not my character at which I play...I play him and I get these achievements, I dont look at my screen and watch how myc char play itself and get them...

now I play on my only one playable alt...as after 4 years I get real boredom fo playing single character...for 4 years!

and with this at all I ont play that long in this game as I dont care about acheivements on my alt which I get long ago and hardly on my alt etc

if I could have something like acocunt widde acheivements then I would be back to achievement hunter....but for now as I cant, dont want to play my main with 28k+ acheivements get before morrowind...I just dont care about more of them on my alts, I dont mind to get/farm every of this again, this is nonsense for me especially as we can have over 10+ chars! and what to do on them? ofc not farm all achievs on every char...

not long ago I saw thread on forum where someone after playing since beta finally get every achievement on his single character! this is amazing as finally someone get every acheivement in this game but lets look at this...

even when game was fres there was not that many acheives..but they was not that easya nd fast to get them all and with every next patch we are getting even more achievements to get so this is hard to keep all acheivements unlocked on single character if we finally get it

what is point to care about these achievs when you dont play your main because you dont want for now? no point as on every your allt you have literally nothing of them since beggining and you need to get every of this again and again and again

if accountwide achievs would be here...I woudl have finally reason to play more than single character at once as how I play now my single alt...I stopped playing my main and I dont play on any other alt either...I jsut dont want and dont have point in this while ahving every achiev locked on character so it is keeping me to not play more than 1 character even when rest I have leveled to max

Na0cho

Other (please explain your alternative, keeping in mind that class change is NOT an option).

I could care less about achievement's, or class changes. However I hope they link skyshards and riding lessons.

Merenwen_812

I guess I am the only one ok with mount training?
It could be worse, like it was at the start, where you had to train EACH mount.

Donavarion

Other (please explain your alternative, keeping in mind that class change is NOT an option).

Another pointless thread. They won't reduce mount feeding cooldown because they are making money off people that are buying riding lessons. And no other option besides CC token is even worth considering.

Tandor

No, I do not want them to do this.

Merenwen_812 wrote: »

I guess I am the only one ok with mount training?
It could be worse, like it was at the start, where you had to train EACH mount.

You're not the only one, I'm fine with it. I don't have a minimum level of training that is needed before I consider my characters worthwhile and it's part of the whole concept of MMORPGs being a long-term thing with the journey far more important than the destination.

MornaBaine

Yes, this would satisfy me.

Tandor wrote: »

Merenwen_812 wrote: »

I guess I am the only one ok with mount training?
It could be worse, like it was at the start, where you had to train EACH mount.

You're not the only one, I'm fine with it. I don't have a minimum level of training that is needed before I consider my characters worthwhile and it's part of the whole concept of MMORPGs being a long-term thing with the journey far more important than the destination.

Whereas for me it's the ONE THING I can't abide. Two MONTHS just to get to max speed is unacceptable, let alone the SIX months it takes to be fully trained....and that's if you're logging in faithfully every day.

MornaBaine

Yes, this would satisfy me.

SwedishMini wrote: »

Just give us a *** class change.

I genuinely wish they would but they have said they won't. That being the case, I'm trying to explore other options of things they COULD do.

Sylvermynx

Other (please explain your alternative, keeping in mind that class change is NOT an option).

I just don't have any interest in any of this. I love to run all my toons around to do exploration, get skyshards... it's what I do in games. I don't get the problem here personally. As for mount training.... I log in every day on 21 toons. I buy mount training. I do crafting writs. That's in the morning (for me). Then in the afternoon, I explore, quest.... whatever.

Mount training is.... as far as gold goes.... negligible. I don't miss the gold.

MornaBaine

Yes, this would satisfy me.

Sylvermynx wrote: »

I just don't have any interest in any of this. I love to run all my toons around to do exploration, get skyshards... it's what I do in games. I don't get the problem here personally. As for mount training.... I log in every day on 21 toons. I buy mount training. I do crafting writs. That's in the morning (for me). Then in the afternoon, I explore, quest.... whatever.

Mount training is.... as far as gold goes.... negligible. I don't miss the gold.

I'm not at all opposed to the gold cost. I'm opposed to the length of time it takes to complete mount training. There's no good reason for it and it's a HUGE deterrent to starting an alt character, especially if you PVP.

Grandma

Yes, this would satisfy me.

it's not good when the game discourages you from playing multiple achievements because you like getting achievements. They could even just add a new "layer" of achievements, or do it the steam way and have it be bound to the game but not be linkable in game.

Megatto

Yes, this would satisfy me.

I don't get how a class change token is different from a race change token. I get why alliance change would be impossible, but come on, class change seems perfectly doable

Danksta

I think they should have both per character achievement points and account total achievement points.

As for the mount training timer, I'm not opposed to it at all but it would cut into ZoS' profits so it's just not going to happen.

KappaKid83

Other (please explain your alternative, keeping in mind that class change is NOT an option).

Would achievements account wide include skyshards and skill points or would those have to be reacquired?

ChunkyCat

Other (please explain your alternative, keeping in mind that class change is NOT an option).

If ZoS will not give us a class change token, then I guess you will just have to create a new character like the rest of us.

FleetwoodSmack

No, I do not want them to do this.

I'm fine with things as is.

starkerealm

I would not say no to account wide achievements.

I doubt they'd give us unlimited horse training, though giving us multiple training sessions per day for ESO+ would be nice. (Either, letting us queue up future days of training, or letting us buy three or five at once.)

Ertosi

No, I do not want them to do this.

The things you are asking for are completely unrelated to class change tokens, and everything is perfect the way it is.


Making achievements account wide would completely throw away their importance, especially for players who have put in the work needed to earn them on multiple characters. If you want them on multiple characters, put in the work to earn them on multiple characters.

Removing the timer from mount training would remove the only real limitation for mount training. Looking only at how much gold is needed it's only 45k gold to completely train a character's mount. That small of an amount of gold is not a real limitation and is very easy to get. So if they were going to do that, they might as well get rid of the whole mount training system and make all mounts automatically maxed in everything because it's virtually the same thing. I truly hope they never do anything like that as it would water down and diminish the game. They need to leave it exactly how it is as it rewards patient players with a daily boost. Those who aren't willing to visit the stables daily do not deserve the rewards of doing so.

Ertosi

No, I do not want them to do this.

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

I'm sick of the people saying no influence ZOS' decision that should be mine and mine alone. You don't want to synchronize achievements among all your characters? Okay. You want to level up your PvP skills and guild skill lines on a character by character-basis? Okay. You do that.

All I know is that making alts in this game is a huge pain in the ass and it actively prevents me from creating more characters. Two is enough for me. Not to mention the 1-50 experience (which in my opinion should be removed for veteran players) halts my overall CP progression even further on top of the game actively deincentivizing alts.

If 2 alts is all you want to work for, 2 alts is all you will have. If you think they are a "pain" that's ok, but it in no way justifies you getting stuff automatically on future alts which didn't earn them. I have 15 alts and enjoy every one of them; I look forward to the day ZOS adds more slots so I can make a few more. I've earned various achievements on many of them and despise the idea of achievements becoming account wide just to appease the casual gimmie-gimmie crowd that refuses to put in the time to earn such things.

CP and collections (including mementos, outfits, skins, etc) are already account wide. Achievements, mount training, quest completion, skill points, and skyshards are character bound. Between these things there is a wonderful balance of player rewards vs character rewards which should not be changed. Altering this balance would severely diminish ESO.

Wildberryjack

No, I do not want them to do this.

I have to say no. The class change is the better solution. I do understand their reluctance but all they have to do it put a LONG timer on how often you can change class, like say one full year per character. That way you won't have whales changing class every few days or weeks to chase metas for specific events or trials in order to gain a continual advantage.

Gnortranermara

Yes, this would satisfy me.

Not all achievements should be account-wide. There are very good reasons for certain ones to be character-specific. Basically, anything that gives a title. Everything else, especially those that are heavily class-dependent (like the thievery achievements) should be evaluated and made global if there are no factors weighing against doing so. I'd much rather do TG and DB quests on a Nightblade instead of my divine-themed Templar.

SydneyGrey

No, I do not want them to do this.

I don't want achievements to be account-wide, because I'm the sort of player who enjoys getting achievements on more than one character. The game would get boring for me if I wasn't able to get some achievements more than once.

But, everybody plays differently.

kargen27

No, I do not want them to do this.

AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »

I'm sick of the people saying no influence ZOS' decision that should be mine and mine alone. You don't want to synchronize achievements among all your characters? Okay. You want to level up your PvP skills and guild skill lines on a character by character-basis? Okay. You do that.

All I know is that making alts in this game is a huge pain in the ass and it actively prevents me from creating more characters. Two is enough for me. Not to mention the 1-50 experience (which in my opinion should be removed for veteran players) halts my overall CP progression even further on top of the game actively deincentivizing alts.

If you don't want to play the game on a new character don't make a new character. The reason ZoS gives us so many character slots is because an MMO survives by content being repeated. That is also the reason for bind on pick-up items and RNG. Account wide achievements would in the long run be detrimental to the health of the game.

Taunky

No, I do not want them to do this.

*** no.